Hi everyone i am new here.
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Hi everyone i am new here.
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Hey guys. I’m not 100% sure if I have PFS, but I’ve had some symptoms since I started it 10 years ago (I quit 3 years later.)
I’m 35 now, and I’m looking to make some improvements and hopefully go from “functional” to great.
Hey Guys,
I've been here for a little while and decided that it was time to make an account. All the usual stuff. After taking the drug for 3 months, I noticed I was unable to perform sexually one night out of the blue. For two weeks leading up to this, I had many flu like symptoms and lethargy. I knew it was the finasteride and stopped immediately.
I never had any crash per se, however my symptoms got worse over the next few weeks. Brain fog, zero libido, anxiety, ball ache etc. I started taking clomid and this has helped significantly with the brain fog and lethargy. Today (6 weeks after stopping) my Libido fluctuates from 0/10 to about a 2/10. I went from being hypersexual, sleeping with a new girl almost every weekend to hardly desiring females at all, which at 27 years old is a huge blow.
I've started cycling the herbs, on a ketogenic diet at the moment and work out regularly. I used to competitively powerlift/bodybuild and the gym has always kept me happy during difficult times which I am thankful for.
I will do a juice feast over the coming weeks and stick to the program 100% thereafter.
It's been 6 weeks since I've come off and have definitely seen improvements in the mental department, just suffering from a nonexistent libido. Hopefully with sticking to the program, this changes over the coming months/years.
Thanks for all the positivity on here guys.
Cheers,
J
Hey guys,
New guy here.. 34 years, I've been over at the "other" forum for a while reading about how there was nothing that would help us long term, so I am glad to at least find some people that are positive about getting better.
My story is similar to just about everyone else's here. I took finasteride from something like 2012 to 2016 and saw my hair line pause about where it was at that point. It didn't really get any better, but didn't get any worse either. Then in 2016 I decided since I didn't really have any issues on fin that I was OK to try the stronger stuff... Dutasteride. I was on that from 2016 to early 2018.
Then in 2018, after cycling on/off/on/off in a short period of time, I started having major sexual sensitivity issues--nothing felt as good as it should. I've been lucky to have minimal mental sides, but the sexual ones certainly suck too.
Anyways--I'm going to start a thread with the longer version of my story, but the basics are the same as you guys have seen 100x over. I just wanted to introduce myself.
Thanks,
Hi all,
Am 47 year old guy from UK.
Took Fintraside from early February 2019 for around ten days.
Stopped around a week ago and its been one of the worst weeks of my life.
All major side effects have been present, ED, balls aching, paranoia, tearful, anxiety etc.
I was desperate and scared.
Finding this site.. /forum has been almost biblical..... A real highway to heaven moment in the darkest of hours.
At a low point I told my partner, if this didn't get better I wouldn't live through it. That's the depression talking of course, but the instruction to STICK TO SUCCESS Stories, no matter how simple is the thing that's help me so far.
So many truly inspirational guys in here and I thank you all
Am on day three of cold shower treatment and herbs in post.
Am gonna beat this fuckin thing
Hey everyone,
I’ve been lurking here for a few days and thought I’d create an account, as I’m not sure if I have full-blown PFS (yet) but have certainly exhibited certain symptoms. My timeline seems a little atypical compared to other experiences I’ve read about.
Background: I’m a 27-year-old guy who had previously been pretty healthy – clean diet and have worked out pretty consistently for several years now. Diet has been good since a 3-month try at keto in 2017.
My story: In November 2018, I recognized some rather aggressive hair loss at the temples and top of head and became pretty concerned. Went to see a dermatologist and he prescribed me Dutasteride, giving me the usual reassurance that only a small percentage of users experienced side effects and that they would go away after quitting. Did a little extra research on the Tressless Reddit and didn’t find anything overly alarming so I started popping the pill; thus, my journey began.
While I was taking the pill, I didn’t notice many side effects other than watery semen. I took the pill daily for just under a month but quit about a week ago when I started reading up on the long-term side effects on sites like HairLossTalk. Got freaked out and quit cold-turkey (I read afterwards that this was a mistake). Once I quit, I almost immediately started feeling the typical effects: shrunken genitals, zero libido or ability to even get an erection, anxiety, insomnia, depression for the first time in my life. I physically winced at loud noises and bright lights. The other day, I stayed in bed for half a day and did literally nothing. Admittedly, this may have been caused by going down the rabbit hole at sites like PropeciaHelp. I thought my life was over. Eventually, I stumbled upon one poster on one thread on HLT adamantly telling another poster to look up the CDNuts protocol, and that’s what brought me here.
I’ve read that many people who quit feel an initial bounce-back after quitting, and it’s very possible that I’m going through that right now. Penis size has seemed to rebound a bit – haven’t done a check in a few days to see if I can get it up or not. Libido is still non-existent.
Still, I’m concerned about eventually hitting the dreaded crash. Dutasteride supposedly has a long half-life compared to Finasteride, so I’m just kind of expecting it to happen at some point. It might be weeks, it might be months. If my current symptoms with my “mini-crash” are as bad as it gets, I would consider myself extremely lucky.
So that’s where I’m at. Since most posters here seem to have been Finasteride users, I’m not sure if my experience will be markedly different. I’m curious if the protocol can help stave off or at least lessen the impact of the crash – thoughts? I’ve also read that the crash is thought to be caused by the body overcompensating and reflooding the system with DHT, throwing everything out of whack. Is there any danger in starting the protocol now, and risk piling on more testosterone if the body is already trying to get itself right?
Welcome. Everything you need is here.Quote:
Originally Posted by petty3112
Seeing as this is the intro section, I'm not going to get OT, so please if you have questions, ask them in the Post Finasteride section here: Post Finasteride Syndrome. Also, if you haven't already, please read ALL of the stickies before asking questions.
hi every one i am new here
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I never made an introductory post so here it is.
My name is Damon, I'm 25 years old, I'm a physical therapy graduate student in northern Georgia. I took a single 1mg pill on October 23rd 2018. I am over 8 months post crash. When I took the pill, within 4-5 hours I felt like I was high, very spacey feeling. It was a high that I never came down from. Progressed into hard brain fog, like there was a disconnect between my eyes and the world, reading was almost impossible.
Over the following months symptoms progressed:
-an overall generalized weakness in my body, like I wasn't firmly rooted within myself. I have always enjoyed exercising and lifting weights, but the thought of doing anything physical was completely daunting.
-lost the inner voice in my head that helps you navigate everything, the one that helps you read, gives you confidence, reinforces good things.
- insomnia, racing mind and seeing wild patterns and colors when my eyes were closed, like an LSD trip or something
- structural penile changes, can bend dick pretty much any kind of way
- overarching cognitive/perceptual "shift" that is constant, like there's a filter between you and the world, best described as drunk and lost in the woods
- intense anxiety and depression
- constant falling asleep of hands, arms, feet
- horrible dark circles under eyes
- cracking and weak joints
- small, grayish, flaccid penis
- rubbery shrunk penis
- trouble healing even the slightest wounds
- transition from very oily skin on face and back to hardly any oil production
- facial changes
- higher pitched voice
- constant stomach rumbling and chronic horrible, chemical-smell gas
Within the past 2-3 months:
- changes in vascularity, the veins are like further away from the skin it seems, they have a more gray and distant appearance. Very strange.
-complete softening/aromitization of body
- burning and enlarged nipples
- burning skin all over
- rubbery, pale skin on entire body
- thinning and graying of entire pubic, body, eyebrows, eyelash hair
- change of texture in head hair, some gray hairs developing
- total muscle wastage, was gradual but completely vanished in a period of 2-3 weeks
- more food and supplement reactions - the worst make me mentally feel like i'm in a video game or movie
- wrinkly, stretchy skin over entire body with little subcutaneous fat "lumps"
- freezing limbs, even when sweating or exercising, my hands and arms will be very cold
- numb, painful hands and feet
- twitching and shaking muscles. Abdominal muscles have visually been shaking and in a state of tetanus for around 3 weeks now, just from walking 20 minutes a day. --At rest, arm and shoulder muscles have a very steady, rapid shake
- complete change in body odor, now a much more musky and sweeter smell
- total muscle loss on body, rubbery fat accumulation around lower abdomen and hips
- more sensitive teeth and gums
- vivid dreams every single night for months
- inability to feel enjoyment, relaxation, or contentment
-watery semen
Please note I am not trying to measure dicks here, just documenting my experience with this nightmare. I have been hit with the kitchen sink of symptoms and there is nothing I haven't experienced to date, and it is all at once. Very little has improved. I just wanted to introduce myself formally (or informally, rather) and list the things I've experienced due to taking the drug. It is so crazy to me that a single 1mg pill has caused such extreme damage, but for whatever reason I had a system set to be broken. I hope to recover fully some day. Thank you CD for the forum and everyone else for the positive encouragement, even though I ask a lot of questions.
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I've been a lurker for over a year. I'm a 27 year old male who has been going through this pfs garbage since 2013. Not going to go into it too much because it is seen over and over again here and every other pfs site. I've gotten most of the pfs side effects, except, thankfully, ED. I have felt almost no progress since day one except after being strict on THE regimen, especially the diet. I did the water fast for one week at home because I was a broke college student at the time with resistance from my entire family. Originally, I would just feel like lying around depressed all day. Now, years later, I will have days of energy consecutive energy like preFS. Still have down days but I appreciate that the good days will very likely come when I do not break whatsoever on the diet/regimen. I have read every post in this section and will probably start a topic very soon.
WelcomeQuote:
Originally Posted by finvic
I've had PFS for 5 years now. In the beginning I had some bad moments where I crashed pretty hard and battled with bad anxiety. I've since recovered pretty dramatically from those early days and now my only symptom is just having a low libido. I'm 28 and in pretty good shape, work out regularly and feel pretty good about myself and my life all things considered. I'm pretty much at the point where I've accepted that I may never get my libido back and I'm ok with it. Reading the success other members have had, I figured it was time to give fully recovering another shot, stop being a lurker and actually introduce myself. I'm going to begin a cycle of AndroHard Transdermal and see how it works for me.
Two things I'm concerned about are,
-Getting suppressed from the cycle and recovering back to normal when its over
-Losing all my hair from the stuff. (I know its stupid but I look good with hair and don't want to lose it)
If you have any advice please let me know
Welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karlucchi
I was going to type out a long drawn out response, but you said you were a lurker, so then I stopped. Are familiar with the protocol? I ask because these questions have been answered ad nauseum......
Yeah I'm familiar with the protocol. Today I read a couple threads that answered many of my questions. As the days go on, I'll keep reading more as I'm sure there is a lot of information in them all.
I'm not going to spam this thread with anything else as I just wanted to introduce myself. I'll probably start a new thread to log how my first cycle goes. I'm excited to give it a try because I do think I'm at least 2/3 of the way recovered. I think my digestive and mental sides are pretty well handled at this point and I'm hoping that the prohormones help with the last bit.
Androhard should get here Wednesday.
It definitely will. Feel free to start a logQuote:
Originally Posted by Karlucchi
Hey all,
So i started and stopped finasteride a few times over this past year. Never taking it for longer then 5 days but that obviously doesnt matter. Took my last pill 4 weeks ago, started crashing a week later. Feels like i keep getting worse as far as symptoms. I have terrible brain frog, anedonia, sexual sides etc. but the worst is im worried about the physical sides. This morning i woke up with a mark under my breast and ive heard that people grow fatty deposits. Im wondering has anyonce experienced this? Im going to order the herbs for the protocol today but is there anyway to stop this slow crash or am i screwed? Thanks
Also, i recently hit my head while working out and think braing fog got a little worse and im nervous. Does anyone know if this will affect my recovery? Dont mean to spam this chain im just nervous and would like some guidance/help
Please start a new thread. This thread is for introductions only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yankees52
Decided it was time to finally become a member here.
I've been lurking here for a few months. I haven't joined because I think I was scared. Joining the site and finally posting would solidify what has been happening to me for the past 4 months. I think not joining somewhat allowed me to ignore my fate. Recently I've realized that there is no escaping this hell without reaching out for help, so here I am.
I'm a completely normal dude. Played sports throughout my adolescent life, a musician, had friends and a life, used to be a Marine. There was nothing wrong with me, physically or mentally. About a year back, I started to become anxious about my hair starting to fall out. I saw some dumbass add for a hairless drug and decided to give it a try. Had horrible side effects. I remember sitting in class on about the 3rd day of taking it, and it looked like I had just taken a shower with my clothes on. I stood up in front of the class and walked out because I was drenched my own sweat. Im talking drenched. And the anxiety was out of this world. So, I decided to stop taking it. The side effects went away. A year later, I decided to start up again. This time, the side effects were just as real, but it was different. There was an added effect that we call "brain fog" so I decided to quit. Well, that shit never stopped. Then, I was greeted with a nice set of panic attacks, anxiety, depression, and lost the ability to get my dick hard (I don't struggle very much in this department).
My journey since then has been nothing short of a nightmare. It began with a complete loss of reality. My depersonalization was so bad that I felt like I was in a completely different world. I didn't recognize myself in the mirror. Watching the TV gave me migraines and made my head buzz. Sounds would float around my head in every which direction instead of my ears just gathering the sound. It was like a fucking acid trip. This still happens periodically. I remember after I crashed, it felt like someone poured hot lava down the top of my skull and the liquid was moving around in my head.
As of today, my symptoms are complete memory loss (there are days where I literally don't know where the fuck I am or how I got there) it's like nothing exists or has ever existed except this very second. Then, said second leaves and I'm in the next second. Also, a brain fog that isn't as severe as it used to be, but everything in my vision looks weird as fuck. It's like everything is in 2D, and someone turned the contrast up to high. Bright lights make it worse and make my head buzz. So does driving, TV, or using my cell phone. Anyone ever experience this?
Also, anxiety and panic attacks at the slightest exposure of stress. I'm a college student now, so sitting in class gives me plenty of these. Looking at formulas trying to figure them out (I'm a finance major) makes me freak out inside. I used to be very strong with math.
I've been laughed at by doctors, my family has completely left me in the dark and told me "We're sick of hearing about it, just get better already and stop worrying about it" and I haven't reached out to my friends because of how stupid I sound trying to tell them a hairless drug has completely stolen my life from me. I never thought I would ever be in a position like this, it is literal hell. I contemplate suicide often, though not as much as I used to when it began, but still.
Recently I decided to begin the protocol, I did a 7 day juice feast and actually noticed that my thoughts cleared up a bit. I felt pretty good coming out of it, the only issue is that I struggle with alcohol addiction, and for some reason red wine makes me feel better for a few days (anything else makes me crash), so I think I have ruined my progress because I relapsed several times since my juice feast just a couple weeks ago, (don't judge, pathetic I know).
So now, I plan on doing a water fast in the next week or so, then really doing this thing full force. I thought I would reach out to this community because god knows I need it. I don't know where I'd be having not found this community.
Finally, not all days have been bad. Yeah, I've been stuck in a constant brain fog for 4 months, I've felt the anxiety and derealization most of the time, but there have been good days, and I have learned a lot from this already. I believe there is a cure, and I'm not going to quit. Thanks for reading this if you did.
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Originally Posted by Turnover25
Hey man, sounds like you got it rough, really sorry to hear.. As everyone says - Stick to the protocol, and you'll be free!
Hey guys, after years of fucking around looking for a silver bullet I decided to sign up here and fully commit to CD's protocol. I guess I'm not the typical PFS sufferer, as my poison was an SSRI called citalopram which I took for severe anxiety and depression. It helped, but helped a little too well. I was stripped of all my emotions, libido, and what little drive I had etc., you know how it goes, won't bore you with the details lol. I got PSSD. This was back in 2015, and over the years my life has become sort of livable again either due to time or all the random shit I tried. I still have no libido, ED, and emotional numbness and anhedonia but I'm mostly functional in day to day life otherwise. It's not fun however and I wasted enough time in this state, time to fix it.
I'm currently on day 2 of my juice feast, have ordered a ton of herbs (RIP wallet) and other required items. I think exercise is going to be the hardest part for me to get right since I'm pretty out of shape and was never a big sports person. I have gone to the gym for months at a time, following a program they made for me there but never really saw results. Oh well, I'll just have to suck it up and do it.
Also I hope it's ok that I'm posting here since I technically don't have PFS, but PSSD. I'm on hackstasis too but I felt this is the better place for people doing CD's protocol.
I have the same vision/perception issues as you. It’s no fun.
Hello everybody,
I'm Michael, I'm 31 years old, I live in Switzerland (sorry for my english by the way).
I took finasteride during June-July 2018, for approximatively 45 days. Start crashing in September, got really really bad in February this year.
At first I did not understood what happend, I never link that to finasteride because I was not thinking that much of that drug. I had a burn-out in 2015, so I was thinking maybe it is just a bad time, but it was different - different in the way that I felt weird in my all body, i remember telling my doctor : I am going down, but this time it is weird, I feel my all body is falling appart. The side effects for me are : weird feeling in the muscle of my body, the legs, the arms, my back hurt, sometimes terrible headache, anxiety, a lot of anxiety, a feeling of my neck "burning" (hard to explain), depression, fatigue, insomnia, lost of libido. Fortunalety for me, I still can control erection, having some erection by itself during the night, but never when I wake up,
Then in March, by chance, i fall into an article talking about the side effects of finasteride, I was scared, confused and felt like I knew instantly why I went wrong a month after taking the pills. Then I went to mister google, searching, reading, scarying myself more and more...
I kinda blame myself tooking those pills.
Then, I start looking for remedy, I went to doctors (all of them were clear about the fact that the med cannot have so many bad things on me) - to cut it short, I quickly started to feel stuck, stuck in this hell for life, from what I was reading and from what doctors told me, I even, at some point, convinced myself that it was not possible. Well... I quickly start to realize that I could not ignore the way my body felt.
I discover the website and the forum last night. After month without searching and reaching for answers, I fall on a video on youtube and get into the comments section, a boy was talking about the forum and my curiosity lead me here.
First of all, congratulations to all of you who succed following the protocole. Also, good luck to all the ones who are in the middle of it and stick to it :).
There is still a lot of questions in my head, this is a lot of informations to take in over a night but I will try my best to fight this shit.
Some days are better than others to me, i already stopped month ago Gluten and Coca and everything unhealthy, but still a lot of stuff to change to get to the recovery.
But first thing first, I am already so happy to read here and there that some boys fully recovered, I think a state of mind can change everything, so the first thing I have to fight at this point is the anxiety of the all thing, even writing F-i-n-a-s-t-e-r-i-d-e is hard for me, i feel like it's an obsession since March, and everyday I wake up and scan in my head my all body to check if something changed.
However, new area start now, I will go to the market to get stuff for the fasting and make a change.
Hi all!
I have had pfs since 2011 and tried various therapies. I feel I am about 75% recovered and want to finally reach the 100% that I see many from this board have!
For the past few years I have mostly been sticking to Ray Peat eating and hormones like dhea and progesterone. I don't feel I have made enough progress the past year or so, so I want to give @Cdsnuts' program a go!
I have lately stopped taking thyroid hormone, to see how I am at baseline again. I also want to ween myself back down to a normal amount of coffee. I have a habit of drinking upwards of 6 cups in a day! This isn't good for someone suffering from anxiety and nerve pain like me.
I am suffering from nerve and joint pain (which improves upon eating liver), neckaches (which have gotten worse since stopping thyroid hormone), and a pretty bad anxiety. I have had many panic attacks, to the point where I have learned to live with almost constant anxiety. The things that help most with my anxiety are progesterone (which lowers my libido if taken too often), 5a-dhp (a derivative of progesterone which gives me headaches), dhea ( a precursor to dht which makes me irritable). Recently I found that drinking black-tea actually helps lower my anxiety considerably, which is weird because black tea is a 5-ar inhibitor. It lowers my anxiety but also makes me tired and lowers sex drive.
I am also wondering if I shouldn't attempt to go paleo. Eating lots of sugar and carbs with milk and Orange Juice helped give me energy and slow hair-loss, but it doesn't seem to be very good for my anxiety. I have heard of other people get anxiety from eating sugar. The problem is that now my metabolism is very fast, when I attempt to get by without eating carbs, I become grumpy and more anxious. I also have to drink coffee with sugar, and I have been a 6 cup a day drinker for a few years now. I now if I am going to go paleo from here, I am going to need to ween back on the coffee, and maybe only drink one per day or so.
Anyways, I am trying to look forward to the next stage in my journey, and to hopefully and finally get back to 100% after all these years!
Hey guys,
I'm new here, was on Finasteride for 2 years with no sides, then switched to Dutasteride for a month, got sides, came off and got PFS (fuck). Symptoms aren't too bad compared to some of the stories I've seen. Mainly just insomnia (started off not able to sleep at all, now able to sleep 6-7 hours a night but wake up several times throughout), low libido, low energy, and digestive issues/constipation. Also have seen some penile changes such as more veins, etc.
Hoping to recover by following this protocol. I'm not sure if this protocol is legit yet, despite all of the recovery stories (was on Propecia help for a while before coming here, where a lot of people were skeptical of the protocol), but I'm going to trust in the process 100% because I have no other options.
So far have been following a Paleo diet (mostly meat, vegetables, and fruit), hitting the gym 3x/week, and preparing to start my first juice cleanse! Let's go!!
You're not sure if it's legit despite the recoveries? Do you think these guys who post recovery stories are running some long con game?Quote:
Originally Posted by covfefe42
I can tell you the people over there who are skeptical are skeptical for no reason at all. They have a lot to say despite not giving it a try. The guys who stick to the program and go all in are the ones who recover. It's fairly simple.
Thanks for your response CD. Yea it's just hard to wrap my head around all these people suffering and killing themselves from PFS when there's a clear solution that they can follow. I guess you're right though that most people who are skeptical probably haven't tried it themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cdsnuts
Anyways, thanks for sharing your recovery protocol and giving us all some hope! Going to start a recovery log and commit 100% to this
Hey everyone, I’m new here and wanted to share my story. I was on Accutane starting at the age of 14 and began to feel the very Same side effects all of you Pfs sufferers have. About a month into taking this acne drug my orgasm completely disappeared, one day I was jerking off and had ejaculated but no orgasm came with it. There was no pleasure at the end and I was pretty concerned. At the time I had not realized this was from Accutane and continued on the drug for about 8 months. My symptoms only continued to get worse and toot only was orgasm gone but my penis had gone completely numb and had shrunk a bit. I confided in my doctor who prescribed me the drug and he told me all my symptoms would go away once the drug was out of my system. Well that guy was either an idiot or a liar because here I am 5 years later aged 19 still suffering from low libido numb genitals, no orgasm, depression, anxiety, brain fog, trouble staying hard or getting hard. These past few years have been a living hell and having my manhood taken away from me at such a young age when other guys my age think about nothing but sex was really tough on me. I was suicidal for a while wondering if life was even worth living anymore. I coped by smoking weed almost everyday for the past few years because I would rather be numbed by the weed then feel depressed all the time. Well I finally quit weed cold turkey about two weeks ago and am currently on day 6 of a 14 day water fast and at true north health center. I found Cdnits protocol about a year ago and plan on following his protocol to a T if it will help me even just a little bit. I had tried supplements in the past and had little to no results but I am now ready to fully commit to his protocol and get my life back t the way it once was. I want to feel like my life is worth living once again and I’m confident this protocol will help me. It’s good to see others have had success and I am excited to begin my journey to recovery and gain my zest for life back.
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Originally Posted by Bowsa
You have found the right place and you're started the right way. True north is beautiful, isn't it? When you can walk, go behind the facility for a walk. there is a grave yard that dates back past the civil war.....pretty cool.
Why don't you start a post and we can converse there?
Hi guys! another soldier to beat this war of our lives! I'm Brazilian, so don't mind any english mistakes, ok?
My history is no different. I'm 33 year old, took finasteride in two periods of my life. First when I was 18, back then I took for only a month, and had no side effects at all, but anyway didn't feel good taking medicine everyday only for hairloss. Time passed and last year (already bald!) from an impulsive action I started again with finasteride, I took it for 2 months (July/August), by the end of the second month I was having sex and noticed a lower power on my erection, I immediately link to the poison and decided to quit it ride away. One day after that my dick died, causing me the biggest terror that I ever experienced, a sansation of life ruined, wich got even bigger after I went on internet and dyscovered the existence of PFS.
This first moment is the worst, since you know nothing that is happening with you, and all you have is missinformation on youtube, worst of all is the sensation of being robbed, stolen, since this is something real, that exist for a while and nobody has ever speaked about...anyway. With a little more search I found TMO, even before than findding PH. Read all over it, althoug without internalizing it. I immediately order all the herbs that I could find here in Brazil (about 30% from what sites recommends). The next two weeks, while I was waiting for my herbs I was on a Job Travel experiecing my simptoms, wich was: ED, no semem, braing fog, fatigue, waking up in the middle of the night scared and with accelerated beat, and all of this of course, brouth a little depression. Life goes on....
Herbs arrived and I jumped on it (mistaken). No change im my diet (wich was bad), no meditation, no wheitlifting, only running, and kept living. After two weeks rotating the herbs, my simptoms got better, and I experienced a spontaneus erection, making me happy like a teenager. After that day my confidence came back and I started back chating on tinder and pickin up girls. My libido was higher than before, and all I could think was fucking some pussy. This happiness standed until new years period, when I was not even thinking about PFS anymore, and on a day, out of nothing, got sucked into PFS's reality again. Once again I was experiecing that feeling of waking up in the middle of the night, and difficult on jerking off, etc. On Christmas, I remember being near a cousin of mine, very very fuckable, and I had all mental conditions to fuck her, but as my body was totally lazy, I didn't even tried...that made me sad, man.
Back on the researches, and having the experiences, I could conclude that all my past months had nothing to do with the Herbs, instead of that, was my body trying to balance the system once again, and then I got the new years crash, worst than the first one, sexual sides were the same, but sleep sided hitted bad, waking up with anxiety crisis and suicidal thoughts. (If you are experiecing suicidal thoughts, know something: THIS IS NOT YOU, it passes).
The year began and I got a 1st one priority in life, get better than I ever was. (the PFS made me think that I never was the best version of my self, even before take finasteride I kind of neglected my potential as a man and also as a human being - that reflection was good!) Spent almost this 2 months on forums, doing researches and reflecting wich way to go, also buying all products thas someone claimed be good for them. I went to an endocrinologist wich recommend some stuff (at least she was a PFS believer). She gave me Clomid + Proviron + Ashwaganda + Rhodiola rosea + keto diet. I went with clomid and proviron for 2 weeks, than dropped it off. Since end January I am basically on:
- Diet: eating meat, green leafs, bone broth, ghee (Ozephs diet) I was with the idea of fix the gut and fix PFS, but now I know that is one part of the process.
- Exercices: HIIT, wheighlifting, runnig - all moderate, but everyday
- Avoiding: no pharmaceuticals, no gluten, no suggar.
- Suplement: 1 pill of Forskolin waking up, 1 pill of GABA before Sleep
- Other tricks: Meditating (not only, but mobilizing "energy" (chi, prana...you name it)
- cold shower
Today is an important Day. Brazil is on its 1st day of Carnival, yes, a LOT of things going on the streets, but fuck that in a happy way, I'm on my 1st day whater fast so, and I intent to go until next saturday. Luckly, I will be in a job trip, alone, in a hotel payed by the company, with a very easy schedule do to. I'm supposed to do some work there, but very easy, may take 1 hour a day, since the hotel is near from the store that I have to look at. I intent do go fasting and relaxing this week. Question: do you guys thing is safe to have sauna while on fasting? I'm intent to.
Current Symptoms:
- Inability of getting aroused
- Parcial ED, I can get hard, but with some effort (despite i got conserned and i'm currently nofap)
- Having some erections while sleeping
- Lack of motivation of doing anything besides goig to work or making the protocol going (feeling of being stucked)
- Sleeping getting better and better (I can sleep a full night some days, while others I wake up and then go back to sleep - no more suicidal thoughts or heart palpitation)
- No noticeble congnitive issues
- I had some skin inflamations wich was gone since I'm on this 2 months on diet
- Have FUCKIN SUKEN EYES, looking older despite body looks very helthier because of the diet, since the crash I'm looking 10 years older, with my cheecks falling too
Next Steps:
- Have a great time fasting
- Refeed in the best way possible
- Start Herb Rotation after 1 week of refeeding
- Keep going only with the protocol TMO, nothing else. (My diet will get a lot easyer, since i was not eating fruit this 2 months because of the sugar)
- I wish I could go trough this without AndroHard, but time will tell. (don't wanna look like shwaznagger)
Wrote a lot, but I know, like me, its very good to read some felas experiences. Going throug this shit witch is PFS, a place like this became a refuge, a community temple where we can share our goings.
Thank you all very much.
@Mineiro
Hah welcome here booi. Someone who gets it right and does some research thats fakin great. As you experienced the herbs are just one part of the protocol^^
I'd advise ya to open your own log, maybe copy pasta in there what you wrote already here.
Waterfast seems to help most people in the long run. I'm doing one myself right now ;D
Hi GUYS. I have been dealing with this for about 8 years now. Im giving it a full go with cd’s method of recovery. You guys are very positive. I’m still in shock what this drug can do and the crazy thoughts I have in my head but I have had moments when I feel good so I believe in a RECOVERY. Cdnuts you really are great trying 2 help people...
Welcome dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Queens1984
Read the protocol on Total Male Optimization multiple times until you know it like the back of your hand. Make sure you're doing all of the protocol and find something to distract yourself from the negative thoughts. They'll pass. Eventually you'll notice you've been feeling great for months. This has been my experience.
Best advice I can give you as someone who's doing really well.
Thank you, and welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Queens1984
You WILL recover if you stay steadfast on the protocol. You'll have ALOT of ups and downs but you will get there if you can stick it out.
Great words of wisdom from XXaleksi......
Hi Guys,
Before anything I would like to say a big thank you to Bankai9000 for introducing me to the TMO protocol which I have been reading over and over
I'm 29 and from London and I myself like a lot of you took finasteride for only 2 dosage spaced a day apart and the problem started the day after my second dosage. Issues such as ED, Insomnia and Anxiety and in the three weeks since I have had moment of potential recoveries followed by crashes.
I've stopped feeling sorry for myself and understand that I can beat this through hard work and dedication instead of waiting for a magical pill to cure me.
As I am currently observing ramadan my plan is to jump into water fasting in 3 weeks then refeed then paleo, exercise and so on.
I'm very glad to have found this forum as having been on the other side where it is all doom and gloom,over on this side there is more hope and light at the end of the tunnel
I don't expect the journey to be smooth sailing but I will always try to remember it's not where I am it's where I want to be
Thanks folks
Seeing as you only took a few doses, you should be a quick case. I'm usually hesitant to say that because there are alot of variables, but if you're true to the process, you should make quick work of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Comewhatmay
Hi everyone, my name is Ethan and I'm 18 years old. I took fin at 17 from September 2019 to mid October 2019. I got sides and quit only to crash two weeks later in early November. My sides include the following: -facial wastage (sunken eyes and cheeks, smaller chin, fat loss, dark circles, wrinkles under eyes and around mouth, stretchier skin)
-muscle wastage (neck, arms, butt, etc)
-gum recession
-mild ed (takes longer to get rock hard but can still have sex)
-mild eye floaters (only visible sometimes)
-mild and occasional twitches, pain in fingers
-bloating
-mild fatigue
So yeah, my main issues I want gone as soon as possible are the facial changes and wastage, everything else I'm confident will recover. I've followed propeciahelp for the last six months and been sad, but I realized I need to just work on healing myself with this protocol and stop feeling bad for myself.
Welcome. You're going to be fine. You're young, you're virile and you're going to knock this out. BELIEVE ME. Stay away from Propecia help and those other sites. They do nothing but tell you what CAN'T be done and how fucked you are. Not even the case. You'll be fine. Follow the protocol as best you can, I say that because of your age....Even if you don't have the money for the herbs, their are plenty of things you can do to swing things in your favore simply based on your youth.Quote:
Originally Posted by ethanrecovering
YOU'RE GOING TO BE FINE
I Bet you get healed from a good fast or juice feast actually. Do one of those if you can without arousing suspicion.....you'll be fine
Thank you for the reply Cdsnuts! It's made me feel a lot better. Yeah hopefully the process works for me, I'm feeling optimistic. I'm gonna really force myself to stick with this, and I'll see if I can get a job soon to buy the herbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cdsnuts
You really think just a fast could heal me, even with the face and muscle issues? That'd be incredible.
Thanks again. -Ethan