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If his #s are just a little on the low side of the normal range but he isn't experiencing any physical or emotional sides I would suggest letting nature take its course and retesting before his next cycle or in 9-12 months, which ever comes first.Quote:
Originally Posted by AestheticOne
How much HCG was used in the "blast" post cycle and how often were the injections?
as for 4 weeks post bloods you should be doing 6-8 weeks post as the long esters are just at their finishing points at the 4 week mark.
It sounds as though not enough HCG was used, it should be used on cycle as said or in large enough doses post cycle to restart the leydig cells, it's like trying to start an old car when using HCG post cycle you need to crank it over a few times before it will run on its own.
500 iu ed for 10 days, clearly not enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by O.N.
typically People who use HCG post cycle will dose 2500IU eod for 16 days 8 injections in total i know this sounds like a boat load but it is proven and used by Dr Michael Scally in his PoWeR PCT program.Quote:
Originally Posted by AestheticOne
You are 15,000IU short.
Small doses are not enough to restart the system once it has become desensitized to LH this is why the big doses are needed, yes it works out you use a lot less HCG when used on cycle but if you dont use it you have to mega dose it like this during PCT.
Since it has been several weeks now you cannot run 2500IU as "some" of they leydig cells sensitivity will be returning however you can do small restart doses as used by Dr Shipping where you run 500IU mon-fri for 3 weeks after that point complete another blood test roughly 2 weeks post the restart. Be sure to test all parameters LH/FSH etc etc.
We have seen many people in the past assume they can get away with doses like you have run and each time we see the same results, it needs to be run correctly and you simply have not done that.
couple things. a-it's not him, and b-i thought hcg is by no means something to have in ur pct. it can raise estrogen. and at mega doses like that i would assume you'd have some major estro sides
you would use an AI or a SERM with it as described in the protocol by Dr Michael Scally.Quote:
Originally Posted by nate3993
Scally's a smart dude - probably the only physician in the United States to ever extensively study AAS-induced hypogonadism. But I've seen more than a few people disagree with his Power PCT protocol.
I was on cycle once for 9 months without any HCG i stayed on for that long simply because HCG wasn't available these are my bloods after using the power PCT program: PoWeR PCT Program post #5Quote:
Originally Posted by Freepressright
Did you happen to do blood work 6 weeks later? I'd be more curious as to the long lasting effects.Quote:
Originally Posted by O.N.
He should run 13 weeks of 25mg of clomid every day or alternatively 50 mg every other day (some people react better on 50 mg every second day for some reason), then he should slowly start tappering down for another 4-8 weeks, (reducing on 75% for week or two, than 50% for couple of weeks, than 25% for week or two), in conjuction he should use AI (preferably irreversible/suicidal) like aromasin 12.5 mg 3X a week- he should run AI until 2-3 weeks after cesation of SERM.Quote:
Originally Posted by AestheticOne
Other thing he should eat mixed nuts every day (they will increase testicular sensitivity to LH- its actually same thing as tocco-8.
Vitamin d 5000 IU every day.
Viagra helps to utilise LH more efficiently.
He should not exercise too much. Must get enough sleep.
Now, important thing is not just recovery of HPTA- but what is also target here- to create better "set point"- we are hoping that his "body" will accept normal/higher levels of TT rather than return to 300-400 ng/dl which is far below.