Been a long time coming! Overwhelmed and don't know where to start.

I'm the same exact way... i wouldnt recommend something unless i have personal experience with it. In your case, it turned out to be an extremely good investment. Would be for me also, but then id have almost nothing left after i get it. (at the moment). But im gonna get a good one regardless. Headed out the door right now as we speak.

Also, i know this sounds bad, but im a former cigarette smoker. Was always athletic, and even stayed in good shape physique wise. It seemed to never affect my physique. I'm not a pro bodybuilder who competes on stage, but rather just a regular gym goer who always knew what he was doing, and in hella shape. Got around a certain crowd in my early 20s, during the party days/phase, and picked up smoking at 23. Stopped smoking 6 months ago, and now i just Vape. Would it be bad to vape during my juice feast? I've gone 8 hour shifts at work, many times, without a single cigarette.

- - - Updated - - -

I had the PFS sexual sides even before smoking. After smoking, its no difference. But smoking is obviously bad in other health aspects.

I was reading maxout777's thread last night. You guys are some tall people lol. I'm 5'11", and when im in peak condition, i always hovered around 175lbs. But my 175 always looked more like 190-200ish. Right now im only about 170. But 5 lbs of lean muscle, can make a shitload difference in appearance.

Eventually when i cycle andro R into the protocol, i want to see if it will get me up to 180-190

It has to be powerful enough to break down the greens ... your typical run-of-the-mill blender isn't going to cut it so you have to go with something more powerful

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk

Right on!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Cdsnuts

I understand for a lot of people that's a lot of money to spend on a kitchen appliance. That being said I only feel comfortable recommending things that I have personal experience with. You may also want to look at a blender by Vitamix which is in the same class of machine as the K Tech.

And yeah, no doubt the guy in the video the total cheese ball. But if you scroll through the videos on that site it really gives you an idea as to the power behind the machine

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk

---

Just to add on to this, I have a Vitamix. Love that thing and has been worth every penny, long before I even knew what PFS was. You can find a few on eBay for a decent price.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by K8668B

I'm the same exact way... i wouldnt recommend something unless i have personal experience with it. In your case, it turned out to be an extremely good investment. Would be for me also, but then id have almost nothing left after i get it. (at the moment). But im gonna get a good one regardless. Headed out the door right now as we speak.

Also, i know this sounds bad, but im a former cigarette smoker. Was always athletic, and even stayed in good shape physique wise. It seemed to never affect my physique. I'm not a pro bodybuilder who competes on stage, but rather just a regular gym goer who always knew what he was doing, and in hella shape. Got around a certain crowd in my early 20s, during the party days/phase, and picked up smoking at 23. Stopped smoking 6 months ago, and now i just Vape. Would it be bad to vape during my juice feast? I've gone 8 hour shifts at work, many times, without a single cigarette.

- - - Updated - - -

I had the PFS sexual sides even before smoking. After smoking, its no difference. But smoking is obviously bad in other health aspects.

---

Obviously not smoking or vaping would be best but I can't see how it would do any EXTRA damage to you.

Sometimes I wonder about vaping. I honestly think it's probably better to just smoke dried plant material then it is to smoke man-made chemicals. The clouds people make when they exhale a pull off of a vape shows you how concentrated the material is that you're taking into your lungs.... can't be good for you.

Aside from that, congratulations on quitting the cigs. I smoked from age 15-30. I always stayed in shape despite my habit. I quit when I realized I had PFS and starting going through my cleansing phase. Never looked back.

On occasion now, if I'm getting banged up, and depending on the crowd I'm with, I'll pack a lip. Goes right to my head....lol

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Maxout777

Just to add on to this, I have a Vitamix. Love that thing and has been worth every penny, long before I even knew what PFS was. You can find a few on eBay for a decent price.

---

They really are worth every penny, expensive as they may be. But then again, most things worth anything are. You get what you pay for.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by K8668B

The K-tech huh? That fucker costs $499!!! That's like 2/3 of my rent for godsakes! lol. I have a cheap blender already, but im sure its not the type to get the job done for this particular operation. I don't see why one couldnt get a blender that can do the same exact thing, and not have to spend more than $100 TOPS. Some of these prices on this page are crazy!

---

And....where do you live where rent is only $750?? That's a steal!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Cdsnuts

And....where do you live where rent is only $750?? That's a steal!

---

North Florida, near the Daytona Beach/Saint Augustine area. It is quite a steal indeed. Im originally from Massachusetts, where it is expensive as hell!! The northeast region of the USA is one of the most expensive when it comes to cost of living. Jobs up there pay a little bit more, but the cost of living is outrageous. IMO, if you were to even everything out, id say Florida, other parts of the south, and some of the midwest, overall is more of a better option financially.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Cdsnuts

Obviously not smoking or vaping would be best but I can't see how it would do any EXTRA damage to you.

Sometimes I wonder about vaping. I honestly think it's probably better to just smoke dried plant material then it is to smoke man-made chemicals. The clouds people make when they exhale a pull off of a vape shows you how concentrated the material is that you're taking into your lungs.... can't be good for you.

Aside from that, congratulations on quitting the cigs. I smoked from age 15-30. I always stayed in shape despite my habit. I quit when I realized I had PFS and starting going through my cleansing phase. Never looked back.

On occasion now, if I'm getting banged up, and depending on the crowd I'm with, I'll pack a lip. Goes right to my head....lol

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk

---

Same, when i get around friends of mine that smoke, i tend to want one too. Trying to get off of the vape even too. Agreed about vaping... the only advantage to vaping is that its cheaper, and it doesnt make your clothes stink. I was always the only gym-goer, and with my own special diet over the years since age 22 that i called my "athletes diet", where all of the people i hang around with are non-gym people and just eat whatever. It's tough when 85% of society just doesnt understand the importance of a clean diet and exercise.

I guess im one of the luckier ones.... from propecia, i honestly only got the sexual sides, and the non- 24 sleep disorder. A mild case of non-24. But some people have it extremely bad. I wouldnt wish this on my worst enemy.

On the topic of nicotine and recovery, I've packed lips more than a few times during my recovery and it hasn't killed any of my progress. Although I do my best to abstain from it because I know it's generally not good for me. I've done it since I was 13....So yeah, it's probably time for me to quit lol. 14 years later.....

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

Well that's good to know, so i wont get all paranoid about it. But yes, its better to try to avoid, if possible.

I know ive been really slow to get started, but yesterday I finally got a blender. I got the Ninja, nutra ninja. Or whatever the f*ck its called. 1000watts. $119 at walmart. Havent opened it yet. Hope it gets the job done. It looked pretty good to me. I will start my juice feast on tuesday. I have some personal business to attend to on Monday. Then after that, its full force into this battle. This protocol is seriously clicking with me. I just naturally grasp it now. I can't believe at one time (1.5 years ago), that it didnt make sense to me. Wow alot has changed. Will update later.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by K8668B

I know ive been really slow to get started, but yesterday I finally got a blender. I got the Ninja, nutra ninja. Or whatever the f*ck its called. 1000watts. $119 at walmart. Havent opened it yet. Hope it gets the job done. It looked pretty good to me. I will start my juice feast on tuesday. I have some personal business to attend to on Monday. Then after that, its full force into this battle. This protocol is seriously clicking with me. I just naturally grasp it now. I can't believe at one time (1.5 years ago), that it didnt make sense to me. Wow alot has changed. Will update later.

---

It happens. It really depends on where you're mind is at when you stumble upon it.

You have to understand alot of things for this approach to make sense you.

If people aren't there mentally, it's just going to seem like a bunch of bullshit because they don't understand how doing these things will work. Especially if they are in the pharmaceutical mindset.

And so the battle finally begins! 7:55pm, i just finished my first juice smoothie. It was delicious. Gave me a temporary huge boost of energy. I will be doing this for 7 days. I'm obviously allowed to drink water too, right? I would assume. Just curious.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by K8668B

And so the battle finally begins! 7:55pm, i just finished my first juice smoothie. It was delicious. Gave me a temporary huge boost of energy. I will be doing this for 7 days. I'm obviously allowed to drink water too, right? I would assume. Just curious.

---

Smoothie?

It's a juice feast my man. Did you just mis-speak here?

And yes, make sure you drink plenty of water.

Yes, i mis-spoke lol. I just accidentally called it a smoothie. But i created it, and blended it and with the fruits and vegetables on the list.

My first drink came out too thick and slushy-like. I took barely two sips. Then, i poured that into my older, cheap blender, added a tiny bit of water, and then it came out perfect.

And good on the water.

I am currently on a nocturnal sleep end too, i might add, as i write this.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by K8668B

Yes, i mis-spoke lol. I just accidentally called it a smoothie. But i created it, and blended it and with the fruits and vegetables on the list.

My first drink came out too thick and slushy-like. I took barely two sips. Then, i poured that into my older, cheap blender, added a tiny bit of water, and then it came out perfect.

And good on the water.

I am currently on a nocturnal sleep end too, i might add, as i write this.

---

???

That's still a smoothie

You have to strain it to make it juice.....

Juice Feasting Total Male Optimization

So i gotta run back out and grab the nutmilk bag? I mean my drink did finally come out very thin and water-like.

Did i just cheat for the day basically? I didnt purposely mean to do it like this. I've never juice feasted/fasted before, or ever even used such a powerful blender. This is my first time ever doing this. So i gotta start all over tomorrow?


i see... so yeah the nutmilk bag is very necessary. just watched some youtube videos. thats how you get the juice basically. i was nowhere near juice, and it was still basically a smoothie like you said. The nutmilk bag is what gets rid of the pulp.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by K8668B

So i gotta run back out and grab the nutmilk bag? I mean my drink did finally come out very thin and water-like.

Did i just cheat for the day basically? I didnt purposely mean to do it like this. I've never juice feasted/fasted before, or ever even used such a powerful blender. This is my first time ever doing this. So i gotta start all over tomorrow?


i see... so yeah the nutmilk bag is very necessary. just watched some youtube videos. thats how you get the juice basically. i was nowhere near juice, and it was still basically a smoothie like you said. The nutmilk bag is what gets rid of the pulp.

---

You said you read "every word" on that site....lol. Caught you.....

No...you didn't cheat. But are you just having your first one now, at night? That's not even a whole day.

You will still detox by drinking smoothies, but that's a different type of cleanse. That's a....well...smoothie cleanse. There are people that have done months on green smoothies alone. Tons of ways to detox and get clean.

You want to use juice so you give your digestion a break. That's a step right before going all out and doing a water fast. You want to minimize digestion as much as possible.

I thought the page was pretty clear. If not, let me know, because then I have to make some changes. I want it to be as easy to understand as possible, especially to people that have never attempted it before.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Cdsnuts

You said you read "every word" on that site....lol. Caught you.....

No...you didn't cheat. But are you just having your first one now, at night? That's not even a whole day.

You will still detox by drinking smoothies, but that's a different type of cleanse. That's a....well...smoothie cleanse. There are people that have done months on green smoothies alone. Tons of ways to detox and get clean.

You want to use juice so you give your digestion a break. That's a step right before going all out and doing a water fast. You want to minimize digestion as much as possible.

I thought the page was pretty clear. If not, let me know, because then I have to make some changes. I want it to be as easy to understand as possible, especially to people that have never attempted it before.

---

Hahaha. Actually, i did read about the nutmilk bag before. And yeah that was my first drink. The page is clear and easy to understand... i just was lazy on purchasing the nutmilk bag. Didn't feel like purchasing it at the time. I didnt think i would need it to get the juice right, but now i totally see! Technical things like this are funny for me sometimes... because i've always been more of a visual learner/hands on. Headed out to grab one right now.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by K8668B

Hahaha. Actually, i did read about the nutmilk bag before. And yeah that was my first drink. The page is clear and easy to understand... i just was lazy on purchasing the nutmilk bag. Didn't feel like purchasing it at the time. I didnt think i would need it to get the juice right, but now i totally see! Technical things like this are funny for me sometimes... because i've always been more of a visual learner/hands on. Headed out to grab one right now.

---

I think it's great that you have a store by you that you can just run out and grab a nut milk bag....

I got nothing like that by me.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Cdsnuts

I think it's great that you have a store by you that you can just run out and grab a nut milk bag....

I got nothing like that by me.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk

---

Well apparently i dont. Just checked walmart. Gonna check cvs, if not, then im gonna have to purchase them online, in your link. I live in Florida, so certain stores like walmart and cvs are open 24/7. Or wait till the Am until the better supermakets around here like publix and winn-dixie are open. Is a nut milk bag such a "rarity" of an item that it can't be found in stores, and can only be purchased online?

Man this is frustrating the crap out of me... im gonna have to re-start my juice feast on a later day. I hate when little minor "technicalities" like this ruin my fucking plans. All over a nutmilk bag. I just dropped $108 the other day on a weeks worth of fruits vegetables. My refrigerator is loaded. Can barely even fit anything else in there. By the time i get this stupid nutmilk bag, all the fruits and veggies in my refrigerator will probably have gone bad.

This PFS battle is just turning into a financial nightmare. The protocol doesnt seem difficult or foreign to me, (im actually excited about it, and im familiar with alot of it since ive been doing a % of it my whole life technically. so its second nature to me). But the financial aspect of things are pissing me off. I really want to be able to get at least 7 of the herbs to start off with while i can.

Gonna finish off the day with smoothie juicing, and then restart tomorrow hopefully after I find a nutmilk bag. This nutmilk bag is making me a NUT! ;)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by K8668B

Well apparently i dont. Just checked walmart. Gonna check cvs, if not, then im gonna have to purchase them online, in your link. I live in Florida, so certain stores like walmart and cvs are open 24/7. Or wait till the Am until the better supermakets around here like publix and winn-dixie are open. Is a nut milk bag such a "rarity" of an item that it can't be found in stores, and can only be purchased online?

Man this is frustrating the crap out of me... im gonna have to re-start my juice feast on a later day. I hate when little minor "technicalities" like this ruin my fucking plans. All over a nutmilk bag. I just dropped $108 the other day on a weeks worth of fruits vegetables. My refrigerator is loaded. Can barely even fit anything else in there. By the time i get this stupid nutmilk bag, all the fruits and veggies in my refrigerator will probably have gone bad.

This PFS battle is just turning into a financial nightmare. The protocol doesnt seem difficult or foreign to me, (im actually excited about it, and im familiar with alot of it since ive been doing a % of it my whole life technically. so its second nature to me). But the financial aspect of things are pissing me off. I really want to be able to get at least 7 of the herbs to start off with while i can.

Gonna finish off the day with smoothie juicing, and then restart tomorrow hopefully after I find a nutmilk bag. This nutmilk bag is making me a NUT! ;)

---

It's not something that most stores carry, no. That's why I include a link to it on my site. Your best bet, aside from my site, is getting it from a natural health food store, something that caters to the health conscious type.

I still find it humorous (I know it's not to you) that you thought you could "juice" without the bag? I mean what did you think was going to happen to all the plant material?

I don't know what the hell I was thinking. I guess i just wanted to get the main items/bigger items, and just jump in and do it .

Now my fruits and veggies are all gonna go bad by the time my "nut milk bags" come in the mail. And im trying to save that extra cash for the herbs. Ive checked everywhere except for the health food places.

Even though you DO conveniently include all the links to literally every item needed for the protocol, i just figured something like a nutmilk bag would be easy to find in store. Like trash bags, ziploc bags, etc. Miscellaneous random things like that. I can understand purchasing the herbs online from your links, because those are rarer quality products, and with powerful herbs like those, i can imagine you would want to get a good brand, or the exact brand you listed, because you can easily buy a shitty brand of a herb and have it not work.

Booyah!!!!

Got a nutmilk bag. Had to drive 20 miles to get it at this special whole foods store. But its worth it!! I will start all over tonight!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by K8668B

Booyah!!!!

Got a nutmilk bag. Had to drive 20 miles to get it at this special whole foods store. But its worth it!! I will start all over tonight!

---

I find it funny that you start at night....why is that?

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk

I just finished a seven day juice feast....

....and I never used a nut milk bag either, so it was effectively a smoothie feast I am now discovering. Great.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by road to recover

I just finished a seven day juice feast....

....and I never used a nut milk bag either, so it was effectively a smoothie feast I am now discovering. Great.

---

Did you read the juice feasting page?? It's all laid out, step by step. There will be pictures soon, which will make things a bit easier I suppose.

Plus...4-6 quarts of smoothie is ALOT of material to ingest....lol. You must have been bloated as all hell. Not to mention those recipes are for JUICES, not smoothies. I imagine some of them must have been horrible.....lol.

With all that pulp your digestive system was working overtime. It's still a lighter load then most food, just volume wise it's alot to process.

When done as directed the juices are all pretty good. In the form of a smoothie....not so much.

I did read it all, but it wasn't apparent what purpose a nut milk bag served if you haven't heard of that before, beyond just storing the juice. I didn't know it thinned it out to juice from the pulp.

Lol, I did end up cheating somewhat and doing 2.5 litres per day instead of 4. Makes sense what you are saying as any more than that and I thought I would burst, and since I have abdominal fat post fin I thought it have just been my reaction not a general one. I was wondering why I didn't seem to lose any weight after the first couple of days.

I might try a three day water fast soon to remedy any shortcomings this might have left me in preparation to get into the regimen.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by road to recover

I did read it all, but it wasn't apparent what purpose a nut milk bag served if you haven't heard of that before, beyond just storing the juice. I didn't know it thinned it out to juice from the pulp.

Lol, I did end up cheating somewhat and doing 2.5 litres per day instead of 4. Makes sense what you are saying as any more than that and I thought I would burst, and since I have abdominal fat post fin I thought it have just been my reaction not a general one. I was wondering why I didn't seem to lose any weight after the first couple of days.

I might try a three day water fast soon to remedy any shortcomings this might have left me in preparation to get into the regimen.

---

This is from the site:

"Once the whole blender is full and blended with all of your ingredients, get yourself a nutmilk bag and some type of container. Pour the contents of the blender into the nutmilk bag while your holding it over the bucket. Tie off the bag, and start squeezing."

I want to gauge if this is clear enough or not.....apparently for a few of you, it's not, which means that it may not be for others as well.

I think once I put pictures up, it will be VERY clear.

Anyone else want to chime in here??

Bam! Just finished my first drink! Thin as water and very green. The nutmilk bag is VERY important. It works and is very necessary. It squeezed all the water out, and left all the chunk in the bag. I don't think ive ever drank anything healthier! It was awesome. A reusable big one for $12.50. Guys, make sure you don't make the same mistake i did- make sure you order nutmilk bag online FIRST, before you go out and grab your fruits and veggies. Luckily, i was able to find one at the healthfood store, 20 miles away, so my veggies didnt go bad. But they are kinda rare, i would just order them on CDs link. I will be doing this for 7 days. So TODAY, the journey has officially begun. Yesterday was just some random bs. lol.

I feel good. Gonna do some stretches too.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by K8668B

Bam! Just finished my first drink! Thin as water and very green. The nutmilk bag is VERY important. It works and is very necessary. It squeezed all the water out, and left all the chunk in the bag. I don't think ive ever drank anything healthier! It was awesome. A reusable big one for $12.50. Guys, make sure you don't make the same mistake i did- make sure you order nutmilk bag online FIRST, before you go out and grab your fruits and veggies. Luckily, i was able to find one at the healthfood store, 20 miles away, so my veggies didnt go bad. But they are kinda rare, i would just order them on CDs link. I will be doing this for 7 days. So TODAY, the journey has officially begun. Yesterday was just some random bs. lol.

I feel good. Gonna do some stretches too.

---

Be sure to vary the juices as well so you don't get bored. Also make sure to include what was listed on the site so that you get your fill of minerals and chlorophyll. Speaking of chlorophyll, you can and should take your chlorella and spirulina during the feast

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk

No doubt! I even printed out the juice feast page on your link, and brought it to the supermarket with me. Got a huge variety! My refrigerator, for one week, looks like the entire produce section at the grocery store! haha

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by K8668B

No doubt! I even printed out the juice feast page on your link, and brought it to the supermarket with me. Got a huge variety! My refrigerator, for one week, looks like the entire produce section at the grocery store! haha

---

And when you look at all of that produce in your refrigerator just think it's all going to be in you over the course of the next week...all of that goodness...

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Cdsnuts

Be sure to vary the juices as well so you don't get bored. Also make sure to include what was listed on the site so that you get your fill of minerals and chlorophyll. Speaking of chlorophyll, you can and should take your chlorella and spirulina during the feast

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk

---

the chlorophyll in capsule/ pill form which is on your link right? Can i take other things in pill form too during this juice feast for that matter? Ive soley been just drinking the juice from the fruits and veggies, and water up until now. About 9 hours in. Feel fine so far...

I see that it has alot of protein in it. Which would make a juice feast alot easier. how much would i take a day?

Strangely i feel really good, for not having eaten any actual food, for almost a day. This could change. Well see.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by K8668B

the chlorophyll in capsule/ pill form which is on your link right? Can i take other things in pill form too during this juice feast for that matter? Ive soley been just drinking the juice from the fruits and veggies, and water up until now. About 9 hours in. Feel fine so far...

I see that it has alot of protein in it. Which would make a juice feast alot easier. how much would i take a day?

Strangely i feel really good, for not having eaten any actual food, for almost a day. This could change. Well see.

---

You want to keep it to those two products as they aid in detox and are loaded with vitamins and minerals.

Right on!

Strangely my libido has experienced a slight increase! Im in a good mood today. Nothing like pre-pfs, but still good shit. (pre-pfs libido IMO is when you can get a full erection, or almost a full erection, without even having to touch yourself) I was already feeling slightly better in the last few weeks before the juice feast, because my mood has been better in general, just from knowing that one day im finally gonna conquer this.

But i was suprised... i was thinking my dick was gonna turn into a noodle during this fast.. due to the lack of foods and nutrients from the foods. And im staying out of the gym for this week as well. that could change though, but this is where im at as we speak. Gonna run over to vitamin shoppe when they open, to get the chlorella. I cant get the other one at the moment. I've already had 3 quarts since ive been awake. Going for at least 4 quarts

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by K8668B

Right on!

Strangely my libido has experienced a slight increase! Im in a good mood today. Nothing like pre-pfs, but still good shit. (pre-pfs libido IMO is when you can get a full erection, or almost a full erection, without even having to touch yourself) I was already feeling slightly better in the last few weeks before the juice feast, because my mood has been better in general, just from knowing that one day im finally gonna conquer this.

But i was suprised... i was thinking my dick was gonna turn into a noodle during this fast.. due to the lack of foods and nutrients from the foods. And im staying out of the gym for this week as well. that could change though, but this is where im at as we speak. Gonna run over to vitamin shoppe when they open, to get the chlorella. I cant get the other one at the moment. I've already had 3 quarts since ive been awake. Going for at least 4 quarts

---

READ my man....read.

No working out during a cleanse....lol