Curiosity question:
Before running R Andro did you guys have any blood tests to understand whats the numbers are?
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Curiosity question:
Before running R Andro did you guys have any blood tests to understand whats the numbers are?
No I didn't, because it wouldn't really tell me anything about where I'm at. How I'm feeling will tell me where I'm at. There are people that are fucked with perfect labs. People who haven't taken fin with horrendous labs that are totally fine.
There's no really indicator test that will tell you anything, other than how you feel.
Amen!! So fucking true!Quote:
Originally Posted by Swill
That's why i dont even care to get labs anymore, or even goto doctors in general anymore.
Yes R andro scares me about the estrogens. I dont want to drop them down too much since they seems already low. Will check it out and post it.
I want to give a little update by cycling herbs from exactly 1,5 mounths.
It is a rollercoster, but generally speaking I am way up from where I started, I can get it up 90% of the times and it stays up, (my mood is also better but not always good) at times I feel I am there, recovered.... because of the sensation on my penis and feeling so good pleasure, random erections during the day etc...other times I feel numb down there, and feel more tired, so it really depends from the days..but my baseline is surelly higher (much higher) compared to the beginning. I also have some peak coming in my brain where I can feel the DHT feeling kicking in, but it's not enough strong...still missing that complete power!
Today I just took Pine Pollen spoons (I think too much, since I also got the headache from it) and after some hours I got that feeling in my brain, confident, alpha man, the boss as I should be!
Said this, since feeling these sensations and feelings, coming and going as a rollercoaster, I do get sad in my soul cause I do understand the bad condition I am in and the wish I have to live life again at its full power.
In 2/3 weeks, just after receiving my blood test panel, I plan to run R andro and hope it will make me fly higher and closer to the results we are working for.. I am so scared of using it (prohormones scares me out) but that's the way it is and I will start using it at the minimum dose till growing it up if fine.
By the way, I am happy of the results I am having till now and hope they will keep improving by time.
Stay strong brother and be happy about the positive results. It's good your moving in the right direction.
Honestly speaking, I have been using Pine Pollen 3 times from 3 weeks ago I think this powder is not good for me, since that moment I do feel my self different and my body is less horny, I think I am not using it anymore... def not for me.
I'd reconsider that bitch. It is by far one of the, if not the, best thing for you. Keep taking it and add in the tincture too.
Everytime I use it, I do loose my erections...I don't know the reason...Quote:
Originally Posted by Snell1234
Probably because it's reducing estrogen which in the short term is reducing your erections. That's the only explanation I can come up with.
Long term, it will help bring them back in full force. I have 3 tablespoons every day and the tincture most days too.
Besides r andro, it is the best thing we can take.
I see, I am pretty sure to have low estrogens then... no way for me to use this stuff as R andro as well then...Quote:
Originally Posted by Snell1234
Isn't there any way to make estrogens higher?
4 andro..Quote:
Originally Posted by biatch
Why should 4 andro help me? It will rise my testosterone wHill running it (and suppressing me as well). Once out the cycle, my testosterone will drop Down.
PP only improved my erections to the point where I thought I was close to full recovery. I love the stuff, I'm just giving it a break for a while because of the headache/pressure I've recently experienced.Quote:
Originally Posted by biatch
You may be in a downswing and are overthinking it?
What do you mean downswimg? I used it only 3 times cycling it with other herbs and I can feel this effetti on me, diffrrently from the other herbs that are boosting well.
If you have low T and low E you need to boost your T up. Eat more eggs, saturated fats like grass-fed butter etc. And make sure you are getting in enough vitamin in the form of retinol. Vitamin K2 will also boost testosterone, niacinamide, DHEA/preg and also naltrexone.Quote:
Originally Posted by biatch
Once your T levels get back in range, and you have super low estrogen still, 4 Andro can moderately raise estrogen in conjunction with DHT. The suppression is extremely mild with any of these prohormones especially R Andro. As mentioned earlier the main suppressing factor of the HPTA is estrogen, not DHT unless in very excessive amounts. Just make sure your baseline T levels are decent
Ok, I will post my blood test and ask help from that paper. Thank you so much for your ideas.. thank you!!
By downswing I'm talking about the ups and downs of this journey. Sometimes you feel like shit and sometimes you feel good.Quote:
Originally Posted by biatch
Sounds like Tubz has a good explanation for you.
Well, it can be that downswing maybe... will keep it going and see. Tomorrow morning blood test, I want to See at what point I am.
Lol.... you called him bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snell1234
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Yes, I skipped that detail..no problem))..LOL
I totally agree with CannonBalls that it is more likely than anything to be a downswing typical of what you get with PFS...
I do feel you are getting too worried about the things you are using biatch... understand that everyone here is very careful with what we put in our bodies... we have all been/are going through exactly what you are, so we would certainly not do or recommend something that could cause harm. Everyone here has actually used it, the ones that stuck to all they were supposed to do have generally with great success... this isn't some theory, its proven and tested.
You are clearly hell bent on labs and blood test levels that I and others have said wont really tell you anything, as is always the case with PFS. Just know that no matter what the bit of paper says, its pretty unanimous that the R Andro will help you, not hurt you.
Everyone has low oestrogen's when their T is lower, its totally normal. Don't let yourself obsess over it, focus on recovery... and how you do that is already laid out.
I thought you would like thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Cdsnuts
Really I feel so much supported to share opinions with all of you guys since I know you will only give me back an healty and no armfull suggest, so thank you so much! The issue with myself is that, this is my second time in my life that I killed myself by using a wrong product and I do regret for both of them!... why this is happening to me? Two times, why? Just because I made a wrong choise and I didnt think enough about the possible conseguences of my action.. I am back to jail!!.. So, yes.. I do need to move carefully before even jumping on an icecream. But this doesnt mean I do not believe in the protocol, this just mean that I want to be sure 100% in what I am consuming and just after a logic consideration tailored on myself. I already know I will use all the product is listed on here and all you guys are using, but I just want to be sure and in Peace with myself before...
It's a smart cautious approach which is typically good. But let me ask you this. Why would you want to spend any more time on this side of it then the other side of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by biatch
Sooner you go for it the sooner you'll be on the other side
Sooner a relative term of course
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Works in progress...considering it..
I know you will laugh of me guys but just few minutes ago I opened one R andro pill and pour the powder on a paper and tested 30% of it...then put the powder back inside the pill...LOL
Just take the plunge man.Quote:
Originally Posted by biatch
I did it twice and got extra anxious!
More carbsQuote:
Originally Posted by biatch
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Some of the anxiety is probably in your head because you're so freaked out to begin with. Take a small dose, eat extra carbs and protein, and just push through for one week.Quote:
Originally Posted by biatch
If you still don't like it after a week, maybe you need to wait longer.
Sorry but it s not in my head. I can recognize if something is working or not and the feedback it s giving me.. by the way I will stay on the herbs and cycling till I get my blood test results .
If you're so scared of this stuff that you're breaking pills into quarters, there's a good chance you're working yourself up a little. Do what you gotta do man. All I can say is that before cycle I was like 20% sexually and three weeks into the cycle I messed around with a girl. That's how good this stuff is. I don't think waiting and waiting to feel perfectly ready for new things is the way to go with PFS.Quote:
Originally Posted by biatch
Damn, thats too funny! LOL! Sounds like something i would do myself lolol.Quote:
Originally Posted by biatch
You're super paranoid about it for sure! Just go for it like others have said. This is the big one in my opinion, (as long as the rest of the protocol is in place). Go for it!
The Sensation was kind of extra anxious and I was like aggressive and nervous, like feeling the need to always move all day.This evening, after dinner and after my second herb dose of the day (I m used to have it around 6PM)..I got excited and as 90% of the time I reached an erection, but this time was easier to get it and more natural to mantain it..So, despite the previous anxious side, there was also a good side...I am so much caution because I know I am super reactive to everything and I am a thin guy of 72 Kg and stuff on me have a super effect.
It doesn't matter that you are super thin bro, I was thinner than you at one point when going into a fast!
As you seem aware, you are totally and utterly mindfucking yourself. This won't be good for you in the long run in general for beating PFS.
You have to learn to moderate yourself... when things aren't going well or you start feeling a little shitty, don't panic and over analyse and attribute it to X or Y. In the same way, don't get super excited when things go really well because if you do that then the downswings will hit you hard.
Once you learn to keep level, PFS no longer has this grip over you and that in my opinion is probably THE biggest step in recovery
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I am afraid about having very low estrogens because I 've used 0.5 mg (1/4 pill) of arimidex for 3 days in February and I felt it completelly dropped my estrogens and since my last lab test they did not come back up.Quote:
Originally Posted by TubZy
I've heard from Propecia Help that a guy had similar issue from blocking aromatasi and never recovered, (same as Finasteride), it seems like if "we" are too sensible to enzyme blocking.
This could explaine the reason why Pine Pollen gives me bad erections and numb penis.
Will see it from my next lab coming back in 10 days, but I am scared as hell if this is the case cause it means I have 2 blocked enzymes, 5 alpha and aromatasi.....
You are definitely mindfucking yourself dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by biatch
From what I understand, Pine pollen powder is a modulator rather than a blocker. It has no direct hormonal effects, I've described it in another thread as a super multi vitamin. It's hormonal effects are indirect from the multitude of vitamins and minerals it has.
For what it's worth I have tried both arimidex and aromasin at a variety of doses and crushed my e with it in the past, and have recovered from it. I even used 1mg a day of arimidex at one point. Everything with this is recoverable, give yourself a break.
I believe English actually used it at low dose to supplement his recovery. This is NOT NECESSARY and I wouldn't recommend, but worked for him to an extent.
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I used it in February and in the end of Aprile my estrogens were at completely botto under the range. That s not a good spot. I want to se my new labs to See if they went up but I do not feel it is..