Thanks bro. I'll take a look into it next cycle. If i'm not mistaken, you ran R Andro in the past right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Mal
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Thanks bro. I'll take a look into it next cycle. If i'm not mistaken, you ran R Andro in the past right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Mal
Little update. Past 2 nights slept a full 8 hours or so. Still not feeling lethargic, did a round of breathing, going to eat breakfast then hit the gym.
This stuff makes me feel very strong also. I was able to do sets of 6-8 with 225 pounds on bench yesterday (I'm a lean 145 pounds), so I definitely had a great day in the gym. Woke up sore also which I usually don't anymore.
Also read Bizzbee's first Andro cycle thread and it's a lot like mine. Headaches that went away and all that. That thread definitely made me laugh a lot too lol, he was a cool dude. We've had some cool guys run through this forum, shame they can't stick around but hey, I don't blame them for getting tf out of here once recovered.
I'll update again soon.
Edit: huge upswing in mood today. I’m having more and more breaks in my depression/anhedonia lately where the feelings start to break through. Weird how normalcy has an actual feeling to it, it’s not the nothingness of depression. Note for guys just starting out, it took over a year to experience my very first “upswing” in mood. But I’ve been on the protocol including herbs since January.
I noticed a common theme within other people’s first prohormones cycles which they claim how sick and tired of PFS they are, myself included. I think this sudden realization comes from feeling great for once while cycling, that when you feel shitty again it just makes it that much worse remembering how good you’re supposed to feel. Anyways, keeping at it. Still rolling strong at 400 mg.
Small update: really calm today, a little touchy emotionally. Might be from lifting so heavy, I used to almost cry after HIIT for some reason, overexertion maybe. But feeling fine.
Androsterone seems to make me kinda depressed/not give a shit, I get the same effect from pine pollen which is why I don’t take it every day. Except for the first week and a half or so of this cycle which was basically pure euphoria.
Probably going to be my last week on cycle. Looking to finish out on the 28th unless the day comes and I want to keep going.
Moved up to 500 mg today, will keep it there unless I get side effects.
Pretty heavy derealization today. I’ve gotten this on and off since February when I had a severe crash, and was met with a few new symptoms that stuck around, including this one. I’m feeling absolutely zero anxiety, which confuses me since derealization is a defense mechanism for when you’re in a fight or fight situation, which I’m not at all.
Anyways, feeling really calm and relaxed, almost too calm to hit the gym like I’m about to. Went a couple rounds with a girl last night so not sure if ejaculation is the reason I’m feeling so calm or if that’s placebo. Memory kinda hazy as well. Going back down to 400 mg today.
Also just smashed by bench PR with ease. This stuff is a trip.
I go through the same thing – and you’re right, but it’s not so much a fight or flight response as it is just general anxiety. It’s not the jizz, I can tell you that. If you’re doing well enough to bag a chick, I’d say you’ve made some serious improvements and might actually be in a really good place. And because you and your body are not used to that, it can trigger underlying anxiety because you’re already anticipating the impending downswing. Whenever things are good for me too, I become hyper vigilant and observing of how I feel because I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop. I feel clear headed and anxiety free as I do this too. But putting yourself in that mode of observation will distance you from the moment and keep you in that DPDR state. Just something to consider and be mindful of. I think with enough upswings and mindfulness we recalibrate and become comfortable in the moment, able to feel grounded and fully present. Keep going dawg.
Also, 8 reps at 245 for 145 lbs is strong as fuck. That’s impressive. We’re going to have to hold the PFS olympics in CDs backyard some day, prohormones allowed.
Thanks bro, what’s your derealization like? Not to talk about symptoms, but I’m interested. But you’d be surprised man, if you talked to me in real life, you’d have no idea I’m suffering from some condition severe as this. I hang around my friends all the time, and I’ve made a ton of new friends in the past few months that reach out to me to talk, often times girls, and I get more attention from women than any time in the past 10 years, whether flirting or just general comfort around them, so things are great for me besides that through my eyes the world is surreal. I agree it’s probably just general anxiety, derealization is kinda like when someone tells you “in order for the elephant in the room to leave you have to not think about it” then all you can think about is elephants. If I never crashed, I maybe could have just put off the weirdness of DPDR to being sick or tired, then forgot about it. Harder to do in our situation.Quote:
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But yeah man, it’s kinda nuts how much stronger R Andro has made me so far. I’ve pushed this kind of weight in the past but not in a long time, and I don’t think I even would have been able to hit what I was repping today even once just a month ago. I read on reddit somewhere where I guy took a similar pro hormone and felt like “someone snuck in the gym the night prior and replaced all the weights with lighter ones” which is a pretty good description lol.
Day 24, my anxiety has been completely crushed by this stuff. I just feel calm like I used to, instead of having panic attacks at the drop of a pin, hopefully that sticks around.
Still feeling aggressive/alpha-ish. I haven’t experienced any lethargy or fatigue, I’m pretty sure that’s due to potassium wastage which I have been supplementing plenty of through coconut water and “No-salt” which is a version of salt that is just potassium instead of sodium. Easy to go overboard with though so I am sparing with it.
I slept really well the past couple nights and I’m getting some great workouts in. Excited to see what benefits I see after the cycle is done. I’ll probably go 5 weeks.
Still at 400 mg daily, sometimes 500 mg like today.
Edit: also eating a ton of fruit to replenish glycogen
Great to hear things are going well, my man! The strength gains on cycle are always pretty awesome, I have had the same experience. I will say you don't keep all of them when you come off, but you definitely reap the benefits of hammering the weight on cycle.
Are you in a constant state of derealization or does it only hit you once in a while?
Dude I’m so surprised by the strength gains haha. Crazy how just hormones can make you stronger. But yeah man Im gaining some nice muscle as well. How long are you going to run the ultra hard?Quote:
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It was constant for over a year, now I think it comes and goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcbbould
Until February it was more of a surreal world view, things not feeling real with visual disturbances, after my crash in February it was stuff like not recognizing my friends or families faces, more severe type DPDR. It’s no longer constant.
Jesus man that sounds fucking scary glad to hear its improving keep up the hard work.
Were all gonna make it.
It's scary stuff but I had/have no choice but to push through it. I agree my man, we will get there.Quote:
Originally Posted by The whit wagon
Almost at week 4, I'm going to continue this cycle at 400 mg until my bottle runs out. Should be a little over 5 weeks by the time I'm done. I feel that now I have gotten through the speed bumps of cycle, such as headaches and depression and now it just keeps getting better. The confidence this stuff can give you is seriously awesome. I went to a bar the other night with some friends, and this cute chick actually bought me a drink after I approached her instead of vice versa, then I was flirting with another girl for quite some time and eventually we were like 2 inches from each others faces in our own little world. I'm not trying to sound like a douche at all, it's just interesting to me the difference you see in your surroundings when you feel confident. That's something that was definitely taken away from me in PFS, it's nice to actually feel your manhood run through your veins again. I've been lusting over women this entire cycle which is something I used to do a lot, I used to be pretty popular with women, and I loved going out and flirting or meeting them. The past year and a half I have had zero desire to do that, so it's nice to feel that way again sometimes. I also just feel like I've gotten more compliments in the past month or so then in the entire last year. There's no doubt that when you feel good, you radiate positive energy that people enjoy being around. I feel a bit more positive about the future after this cycle. When I manage to finally beat this thing, I'm excited to see how good I can feel while applying all these things.
I've been sleeping great also. I don't really want to come off this stuff, but I'm excited to see how I feel once I begin the herbs again. I'll update again soon.
Something I haven't mentioned is my head has itched quite a bit. Also noticed I am definitely losing my hair after looking in the mirror yesterday. Right now it's pretty long/curly but my bald spot is starting to really come in I feel like. Honestly I don't even give a shit. I'll eventually just shave it, get a nice tan and work on getting more jacked. I think the bald look is pretty badass. Wish I felt that way back before I took fin, but oh well. You live and learn.
Where are you that bars are open!? Im jealous. I have been feeling pretty damn great the past few days. I think the post cycle uptick is hitting me. Probably a fluke and tomorrow ill feel like death but its been so good I felt like sharing regardless.
Michigan! Everything is open out here, you just have to wear a mask most of the time. How about you? And nice man, I'm anxious to see how my baseline is going to even out after I come off this cycle in a week and a half or so. Did you just come off?Quote:
Originally Posted by alphacfi
I'm in Dallas. Bars are closed here. Golf courses and gyms are open though which is all I care about right now anyway I guess. I came off last Wednesday. Had a couple of bad days and a couple of good days but then I have been feeling nearly perfect the last few days. Like I said though, I almost hate saying this type of shit out loud because its like PFS is watching and punches me in the face after I recognize positives. So I usually don't acknowledge it. But this has just been too good not to mention. This was my fourth cycle though and that seems to be a prolific number based on other guys i've read.
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I mention that a few different times in my thread that I hate updating upswings because I get nailed shortly after lol. Thats great though man, I hope it sticks around for you. I haven't experienced the post-cycle upswing yet since this is my first cycle, but in the first week or so I actually noticed that I just "felt" somewhat normal again, hard to explain, but hopefully my new baseline can be something like that. Definitely looking forward to cycling again though, but I'm pretty sure a few more of these and I'll be bald as fuck lol
You are still on R Andro right? Havn't switched over to Ultra HArd?
Yes. Only R Andro for this cycle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonman
Hope you get a good baseline improvement from this cycle man, sounds like you got it rough with the neurological sides. I was the same way. My first two cycles were a god send for neuro sides though so keep going bro
My third cycle was a bit of a failure though as I ran the old version of MG AndroHard for three weeks and then switched to the new version, then back to the old one for a week. I wanted to test if the new version is underdosed like people mention. Felt great on the old AH, all benefits went away on the new AH. Came back when I switched to the old one again. This confirmed that the newer AndroHard is basically useless. But also it was a mistake to do as I got no baseline improvement from this cycle.
Now I'm on Ultra Hard 5 pumps/day and already feeling a bit of the euphoria on day 3. I think I'm in for a good one.
Thanks bro. I'm definitely excited to see how my body acts after I start the herbs again. Did you notice improvement during cycle or was it really just after?Quote:
Originally Posted by xxaleksi
But you'll have to let me know how the Ultra Hard is man. You did a cycle of R Andro as well right? I'm curious to see how you, Maxout and Master Mal like the UH in comparison.
Day 28: Got nailed by fatigue yesterday and today randomly. Going to try push through and finish out at 5 weeks, I think that's when my bottle will be up. Gonna take more potassium and carbs and see if it improves a bit. It's not too bad though, mostly just when I wake up.
Hey @Turnover25 I am on my second week of cycling some Super R andro that I found on some website. Idk how old the stuff is or if it’s the real deal but I haven’t noticed much at all from it. What color are your capsules? The ones I have are black. I’m think of switching to ultra hard for the second half of the cycle to see if I notice a difference.
Mine are black, I'm sure what you have is the real stuff. But a lot of the time on cycle I felt like I wasn't even taking anything, it sort of comes and goes. CD mentioned to me that Ultra Hard was better than R Andro and that I should finish my cycle with UH, so that wouldn't be a bad idea. I decided to finish out with R Andro and start with Ultra Hard next cycle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowsa
I've only ever used MG AndroHard and this new Ultra Hard. So far, the UH feels a little weaker than the original Andro Hard, before they revamped it. But still good. I'm only five days in though. I'm gonna make a full thread on it once I'm around two weeks in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turnover25
Hey brother. I’m 5 days in to. First 3 Deff had more Aggression and a slight Euphoria. 4th day had really no pump and down alittle. Today back up a bit. Maybe it’s a roller coaster with our body’s getting back on LINE....Quote:
Originally Posted by xxaleksi
Is the new AH by MG really a bad performer? Ive just ordered it some days ago and it gives me great hope for my first cycle after Ive finished the herbs cycle
Unfortunately I wouldn’t know, this is my first cycle and I am running R Andro. But like @xxaleksi was saying earlier in this thread, the new formula isn’t going to do much. I’d return it and get the Ultra Hard if you are able to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by stopfin
I’m using the ultra hard. 1 day I feel great next day I don’t feel much. See what happensQuote:
Originally Posted by Turnover25
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Originally Posted by Turnover25
Ok, thx Turnover25, in this case Im going to try in returning it and get the ultra hard
For sure, my man.Quote:
Originally Posted by stopfin
Same. I think that’s to be expected.Quote:
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Day 32: pretty bad brain fog today, got pretty down on myself while walking through Home Depot and the bright lights made my vision crazy and I felt like I couldn’t remember how I got there or where I was. Had one of those “when the fuck is this gonna end” type moments. In other words, large downswing. Oh well, boo hoo for me, not other choice but to keep pushing.
At this point in cycle I kinda feel like I’m not even taking anything anymore, I think I have 2 days left after today, excited to see where this takes me after.
So how long do these cycles last, T25 - obviously over a month. Interested to hear about your progress and thoughts once off cycle...
Sounds like a largely positive experience? Any hair loss or other sides (other than the fatigue and headache swings mentioned). I suspect I will get on the Ultrahard towards the end of this year
I went with 300 mg probably the first 2 weeks, then upped it to 400 mg until my 2 bottles were up. So that took me to 5 weeks, or 34-35 days. I could have stopped at 28 days but I wanted to keep it rolling, you can also keep going up to 6 weeks I believe which I'm not going to do because I don't want to break into my next bottle.Quote:
Originally Posted by DefRecover
Great experience, I still don't know what the benefits are because I haven't come off it yet. But if it's any resemblance to what I experienced part of the time on cycle then it was a big help. The biggest sides for me were headache for a couple days that went away, fatigue about 2 days out of the entire cycle (most of the time I had a lot of energy), and depression which was probably the biggest side effect, but it was more like just not caring about anything.
As far as hair loss, I'm only 26 so I haven't lost my hair yet but I think I noticed some thinning, might have been placebo. But my head itched a ton and I think I may have shed a little bit.
Day 34: Final day of cycle, took my last dose an hour ago. Gonna miss being able to lift like a mad-man, but excited to see where this takes me. Honestly doesn’t feel like I’m on anything anymore. Starting to herbs again tomorrow, probably going to start with black ant, then tongkat the next day, maybe some pine pollen but I want to lay off the androsterone for a bit.
Great stuff man - and thanks for the log! Very helpful for those like me. Hope the gains all stay permanently.
Absolutely bro! Glad I could be of some help.Quote:
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Day 1 of PCT: started herbs with black ant today as it’s my favorite herb and I feel it’s the most powerful for me personally. I was in a really good mood all day, not sure if it was because I’m off pro hormones or because I spent all day in the shop getting my project-motorcycle painted, either way I had fun. Went to the gym tonight and man, I’m gonna miss the prohormones lol I gained a lot of strength, but lifting isn’t as easy as on cycle.
Hopefully I notice some sort of snap-back in the future, not sure what I’m looking for what I’ll probably know when I feel it.
Also, I’m gonna post some before and after pictures of my project bike for you guys to check out once I’m done, I took up rebuilding motorcycles during PFS as a hobby to keep me happy while suffering this dumbass condition. I highly recommend doing the same! It helps me a ton honestly. I’ll update again soon, dudes.