I would get vaccinated first, then do the cycle. Your body is going to be straining a bit right after getting jabbed. Should last a day or so after each. No big deal.
But you want a complete equilibrium for a cycle to be successful IMO.
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I would get vaccinated first, then do the cycle. Your body is going to be straining a bit right after getting jabbed. Should last a day or so after each. No big deal.
But you want a complete equilibrium for a cycle to be successful IMO.
How could I blame you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cdsnuts
The thing with PFS is that unless you find a really good doctor willing to help you, you are pretty much on your own.
Out of all the consultations I took the only thing I was prescribed is... Vitamine D... And a visit to a psy. I'm sick to the point of not being able to function and you give me this!
They make you pass a basic check-up blood test, then they see all the numbers are fine so they assume you're ok -at best- or somewhat hypochondriac at worst.
It's easier than admitting there are holes in the medical field and that a supposedly safe drug fucked up a young healthy guy.
At least that what I've been confronted to in France.
So ultimately you end up searching for your condition and you either find a shady forum with desperate people scarring out each others on most topics with mad theories and solutions, or a place with guys aiming to recovery with a protocol outlying simple principles that already helped many. You better find this place !
Got the vaccine today only sides were pain at the site of getting injection and little headache.
Thinking of starting the UH cycle in a few days
Took the jasb a few months ago.
When I had the first I had a sore arm for a few days but then I was fine. The 2nd time I felt excellent. No soreness, and I was swimming laps of the sea.
Then when I went to sleep I was sweating and burning up(I should add I was also quite sunburnt from that day). This was also soon after the Baylor paper came out so I was suddenly getting racing thoughts about it.
The next morning I was still a bit bad but in the afternoon it subsided completely and I was back to swimming laps in the sea.
Also, in an ultra rich vs poor workers perspective, whatever you want to interpret it as, why would they vaccinate and kill the "sheep" and keep around the fighters? People vaccinate their livestock all the time because they want lots of them to work for them.
I posted this before but accidentally deleted it when I tried to make a clarification.
I think there's too much room for interpretation from media on either side of this, so I'm just going to give my opinion after respectfully considering both sides of the vaccine debate. I'm going to compare vaccine effects to post covid syndrome effects.
Short term(under 2 months):
Covid: clearly people get sick and many other effects
Vaccine: very common to get minor effects
Medium term(longer than 2 months)
Covid: I personally know 3 people who have lost their normal sense of smell and taste. According to people I know who work in hospitals, the overwhelming majority of patients with covid are unvaccinated, and relatively common to get post covid effects such as heart and lung issues. I personally know at least 3 people who have died from covid.
Vaccine: I don't know anyone in real life or heard anyone in the hospital dying or getting post covid effects or any other medium term effects from the vaccine
Long term:
Obviously no one can interpret long term results because there are none. The sky is the limit, but I have not seen anything that's alarming considering how commonly the people are around me are getting post covid syndrome.
Someone sent me the VAERS spike in effects from 2020 to 2021, but you could only start reporting effects in 2021 from the covid vaccine because that's when it was released. That's like saying car crashes sharply increased from 0 year 1 to 1000 in year 2, but in year 2 the car was invented.
Clarification: if we compared covid effects from 2020 to 2021 instead of vaccine effects, I would expect them to be the same as or less than last year due to the vaccine which reduces infection and complications by (I think) 90 percent. When millions and then billions are vaccinated, I expect to hear a few adverse effects from anything.
Also, with natural immunity, you will probably be slightly better off without the vaccine, but if you get covid you will be exponentially worse off. Immunity is partly built and partly genetically inherited, so there's only so much you can optimize. If you get covid you will likely be fucked and you will have yourself to blame. I believe it should be your risk to take, just like when not getting chicken pox as a kid you accept the risk of getting shingles.
With finasteride we knew there was a risk but we didn't care because we wanted hair more. And with the advent of social media you would've heard about pfs way sooner if finasteride came out today. Finasteride in theory is sketchy from the beginning because it was derived from pseudohermaphrodites
Natural immunity is about 50% as effective as being fully vaxed, in terms of avoiding getting sick, serious illness, and death. Covid survivors who also get vaccinated have even more protection than those with just one or the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by finvic
Most who get Covid are asymptomatic or get mildly sick, but you could be unlucky and have long term brain fog, shortness of breath, etc. I know people in their 20s and 30s who have the lungs of an 80 year old smoker now, because the virus ravaged their lungs which are now stiffened with scar tissue. It is scary, nasty stuff if you get hit hard.
The vaccine mostly takes the extreme negative outcomes off the table and it should be a no-brainer except that many mistrust the medical business or believe in natural cures or don’t understand what a vaccine is. (They think it permanently changes your DNA, which mRNA cannot do. It’s a set of instructions that lasts for one or two days and then disappears, but now your body will attack Covid-19 spikes on sight.)
Vaccine immunity is better because you’re getting hit with an ENORMOUS amount of Covid-19 spikes, so your body mounts a strong response. With a real infection you will get less of a huge wave, and the spikes are attached to a virus that is trying to not be found. Whereas the vaccine spikes just hang around waiting to be destroyed by your immune system.
Totally agree about fin. If social media had been bigger when I considered it, I never would have touched it. All I saw was some hysterical all caps comments on the bottom of a news article webpage that I dismissed because the guy sounded like a lunatic. There were no warnings at the time that it could be permanent, and the doctor assured me that that was impossible, so in retrospect I can easily see why I made the choice, given the info that I had in 2008 or 2009. If I had found PH (not sure if it existed) then I also would not have taken it.
Ok I think this is urgent. Two people I know are magnetic after a quarter was placed on their chest. I have no alternate explanation so now I'm anti vax. Does anyone have an alternate explanation?
Is this a troll lmaooQuote:
Originally Posted by finvic
Lol sorry I am in close contact with someone very anti vax and he also warned me about finasteride before I took it so I take him seriously. I'm investigating now but I think it might just be adhesion but it's very surprising if you've never seen it before. It seems unreal at first but it happens to non vaxxed people too. Pending investigation.
I agree with this, completely. The chances of anyone under 65 dying from Covid is 0.004%. I'll take my chances with Covid over the vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cdsnuts
Which vaccine would you guys recommend? I'm strongly considering it because I'll be working with Covid-positive patients soon.
I got Pfizer, but I hear Moderna is almost as effective. I'd stay away from J&J - it's a one and done but it's only 60% to the others 96%.Quote:
Originally Posted by DKnighten
I think the problem is that the more unvaccinated people there are, the more the virus has a playground to mutate and become something even worse like what we're getting with the Delta variant. It could progress from there. The more immunity people have from the vaccine, the less chance the virus can do its thing and eventually be eradicated. It's exactly the same tactic that destroyed polio and smallpox -- but it only works if most people opt in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cdsnuts
This makes no sense to me. I personally know individuals affected by long covid, and have read studies which indicate symptoms similar to PFS if you catch the virus. These symptoms include persistent ED and brain fog, as well as other neurological issues. it's beyond me why you would want to compound these issues with the ones you already have from PFS. you could REALLY fuck yourself up and set yourself back for god knows how long if you catch the virus. There's a considerable chance this protocol wouldn't help long covid and then you would be well and truly fucked. The vaccine seems to carry far less risk than catching the virus in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jado
Well said, I feel the same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flapjack
We all have our opinions. I feel exactly the same way about the vaccine. I have no desire to put a vaccine, that didn't go through the normal approval channels, in my body. I mean, fin went through all the proper channels, and is FDA approved, and look what it does...Quote:
Originally Posted by Flapjack
Also, this virus will continue to mutate - that's what viruses do. That's why we don't have a cure for HIV, and the flu vaccine rarely works - as I'm sure you know there are more than 300 variants of the flu. Viruses mutate too quickly. Mark my words we will never get a handle on Covid, and this hysteria will continue as long as people continue to tolerate it.
This is a highly debated topic, but I have no desire to argue. Everyone should be able to choose whatever they want for themselves. Based on what I've seen/read, I believe the virus poses less risk to me than the vaccine. Maybe I'm wrong, but we should all be able to do what we want.
For what it's worth, I've had the pfizer vaccine. no symptoms of anything since getting it.
That's awesome. Honestly, I'm sure it's fine for the vast majority of people - just like most pharmaceuticals. Also, it's become a thing of principle for me at this point. I don't like when the government tries to force we the people to do anything - for better or for worse...Quote:
Originally Posted by Flapjack
I just want to recover from this nightmare, and I definitely don't want to argue with my fellow brothers in suffering.
Pfizer, anecdotally I've seen more people feel fluey after moderna shots. I got pfizer yesterday, zero issuesQuote:
Originally Posted by DKnighten
It is a matter of principles for me as well. Also, I know personally at least 4 people who had the virus and recovered just fine without lingering symptoms. As for long term effects we do not know. Imagine first couple of months of fin getting released in the market… everyone was oblivious. Also, Fin is FDA approved and yet here we are… it’s origins and the way it was “discovered” are shady as can be and a huge red flag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jado
More like the first 12+ years - there was no warning on the label about the potential for long lasting side effects when I took finasteride in 2009, even though it came out in the 1990s. The only reason I was willing to take it was because the warning said the side effects always go away when you stop taking it, and the doctor told me he prescribed it to his own son and that in 10+ years of prescribing it, the side effects were very rare and ALWAYS went away when you stop taking it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Holistic
I assumed that if a drug that had been approved for 12+ years, and could cause long term sides, that would be on the warning label. It wasn’t. If I had waited a few years and looked at it in 2012, with the new warning, I never would have even considered it for a second.
Anyway as for the vaccine, I don’t see the connection between it and PFS, unless someone is just swearing off all Western medicine in general because they were betrayed by finasteride.
Most people who get Covid have no long term effects, but long haul Covid is not rare among the unvaccinated. I felt more concerned about the risk of long haul covid than any risks associated with the vaccine. Others feel the opposite, and that’s fine.
Its different from finasteride though... Finasteride is a petrochemical, so is minoxidil, antidepressants, most pharmecueticals... they are inherintely poisonous. The vaccine is just mRNA and lipids, salts, sugars. Its actually extremely biocompatible. Completely different from medicaiton, petrochemicals should be avoided at all costs! Too bad they're in the air, food, in water.
For what its worth, a local lad dropped dead from the vaccine here a few weeks back. He was 30 years old and semi professional rugby player. He complained of a tight chest after receiving the second jab and had a massive heart attack whilst playing a rugby match a week later.
Also in Ireland a few weeks back a 21 year old professional football player in perfect health suffered a bleed on the brain hours after the Johnson Johnson vaccine and died.
I am also aware of a number of people suffering ongoing issues with blood disorders and neuropathy since having the vaccine. I think the narrative that this isn't an experimental drug (at best) and is completely safe is a reckless narrative. I certainly wouldn't say it was safer than Finasteride, you just need to look at the pure numbers of adverse reactions reported and the fact that as far as we know, nobody has dropped dead from taking 2 pills of Propecia.
Each to their own though and personal freedom of choice with our own biology is what is absolutely paramount.
After months of debating, I got the first dose of Pfizer today. Will keep ya'll posted.
@Wez Billions of people have been vaccinated and people die everyday, even apparently healthy ones.
So the probability of someone dying after getting the shot is inevitable, it doesn’t mean there is causation.
At least ftm there is no reason to think otherwise
Except for the known and reported side effects of Myocarditis in young men from the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines and the blood clotting from the Astrazeneca and Johnson vaccines. They are scientifically proven/accepted side effects of these vaccines, and just so happened to be the cause of death of those two young men directly after having the shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximilien
By your logic, millions of people contract chronic illnesses every day regardless of taking Finasteride or not, does that mean we can not attribute the condition guys are experiencing on this forum to Finasteride? no evidence of causation?
I wonder if many PFS guys would agree.
Pretty sure the odds are way worse if you get COVID. So, yeah, fuck it. Jab me motherfucker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wez
And for what it's worth, mRNA vaccines are definitely going to be the next cancer treatment going forward. Sounds a helluva lot better than bombarding our bodies with radiation.
I personally think you guys are nuts for getting that shot. “The chances of side effects are slim, to none” yeah, I’ve heard that once before somewhere. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice…..
My friend lost his feet and hand because Covid clotted his blood. Still don’t even care. I might eat these words later, who knows.
Yup, mRNA is going to revolutionize the treatment of cancer, and also lead to many more vaccines. It’s an amazing piece of technology.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Mal
I read an article today about how it will be used for cancer treatments. Could be a game changer.
Exactly. My thinking is get on board, because they are going to become the standard for a lot of diseases and a much safer route than existing treatments. With the incoming mandates, it's not like many will have a choice anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by LetsGo
Completely respect your decision. Its a case of making a decision on your own interpretation of the risk / reward outcome of getting it and i support everyones decision either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Mal
I just take issue with the narrative that this particular vaccine is completely safe. As the data shows that is not the case at all. and in my microcosm of a world i know more more people who have had issues from the vaccine than Covid.
And i do really hope your right about the Cancer treatment. For a condition as deadly as Cancer I would be in full support. On the condition that it had adequate trials and long term data this time around, not rushed out under emergency laws.
From much less people taking Finasteride (compared to vaccines) we have litteraly websites dedicated for it with endless anecdotal evidences depicting a specific symptomatology.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wez
Covid and vaccines are the thing the most discussed/studied in the world currently and billions of people already got the shots, it never happened. Like you said, I think we already have a good idea of the side effects (like the one you mentioned, the Guilain-Barré syndrome from Johnson&Johnson etc.). I am not saying it's impossible we find unidentified sides (even if unlikely), but at this point they would be extremely sporadic and if so, it still doesn't outpass the risk of getting Covid: which we know for certain that it kills and that when it doesn't, can damage brain, lungs and create lots of persistent symptoms.
Now PFS made me obviously cautious to put any pharmaceutical in my body, and I didn't get the shot yet. However Covid still scares me more than any of the vaccines
It's one thing to be cautious, but to avoid something simply because it's a pharmaceutical is fucking retarded. Seriously is anyone in this group going to be saying NO!! I don't want life-saving medication or morphine, etc when they're older?
I respect people's decisions bc it is a new vaccine and all, but as others have said, the damage that post-covid syndrome can do is far worse than anything the vaccine is going to do. That we know of anyway
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Originally Posted by LetsGo
At least with finasteride you can sue for related side effects unlike the vaccine which none of these companies are really held to any sort of standard in terms of liability unfortunately.
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Originally Posted by James897
Im very confused by how you can make that statement with such certainty, when we know for sure people have actually died from the vaccine (not disputed) and many more have suffered life changing conditions from it. Many of those people being young people who most likely would of brushed off Covid like a case of the Flu. Which for the record most of my unvaccinated friends have done at this point and are all in their 40's with varying levels of pre existing health.
We now also know from a recent study in Israel that natural immunity (from Covid infection) is up to 13 times stronger than Pfizer shots.
I would most certainly test to see if you have natural antibodies before submitting yourself to this experimental vaccine.
Seems to me that if you have had Covid and recovered, getting a vaccine is the equivalent of having sex with a prostitute bare-back then putting a condom on for the drive home.
I know at least one person personally that has caught covid 3 times, unvaccinated. In his 20s and healthy lean weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wez
I'm not saying it with such certainty, that's why I said, "that we know of'. But I have met plenty of people who got covid, most were fine, but a few did get really sick, like hospitalised and suffered long-lasting effects - young people too. I haven't known of anyone who had any problems after a shot. Ultimately that's why I finally caved and got vaxxed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wez
And, I agree that getting vaccinated after getting covid seems pointless
You can sue for Finasteride side effects? I was under the impression the class action suit was settled years ago and you're pretty much shit out of luck now. Apparently the guys got like $10,000 a piece anyways lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by TubZy