i've cited this before but increased heart rate, hornyness, aggression. it only lasts a few hours tho
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i've cited this before but increased heart rate, hornyness, aggression. it only lasts a few hours tho
Update: The tongkat ali from Lost Empire seems to have done the job, with less side effects than the Source Naturals brand. Just slightly mellower. Happy with purchase. Took black ant extract this morning from Lost Empire. Soon after went for a run of about 1.5 miles with intermittent sprinting.
I am ecstatic to report that energy levels felt like, dare I say, NORMAL? I haven't had a burst of stamina like that since I was NORMAL. It was incredible. Felt soooooo good.
Few remaining things to fix:
Erection strength needs some improvement although not bad. (Nothing a little more herb can't fix).
Refractory period still hours apart. Need to be within minutes.
Semen volume and consistency need improvement for sure, but much improved since 5 years ago (back then it was very watery and low volume).
Mood has improved immensely and during pro hormone cycle felt normal for a while. Need that mood to remain consistent.
Muscle strength and density have had some noticeable improvements since end of pro hormone cycle. Still need some work here.
You'll get there. Congratulations on your improvements this far. You know what you need to do you just have to keep doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bizzbee
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Took Cistanche today from Lost Empire(1 teaspoon ~ 1 gram). Didn't do squat. Felt more heavy headed and dizzy as a result. These herbs are hit or miss. I might do a juice feast for a couple of weeks in order to clear everything from my system.
Herbs with definite positive effects so far:
Tongkat Ali
Horny Goat Weed
Black ant extract
Mucuna prurient
Herbs with no effect:
Cistanche
Pine Pollen (not sure)
Lion's Mane
Herbs To still try:
stay tuned
Cd, I remember you took 4 cycle of R andro followed by herbs as PCT to recover 100% right?
How much time does it mean?
Cause from your old description of facts, it was looking more easy than what it seems for many others.
It was 4 cycles of PP androhard if I'm not mistaken and the PCT was sustain alpha and some other things (Toco). He cycled about 7-10 herbs (this is all from his posts on PH). The first real cycle of R-andro (my experience with it) was definitely helpful in some areas. Some of the herbs may not work for everyone. The key is to find enough herbs that are helpful and just rotate them. I might try royal jelly next. See what happens.
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Originally Posted by biatch
Dammit. I had high hopes for the cistanche after reading the description. I think I'll try 2 grams next time to see what happens. I can always return it if I see no results. Let's see, schisandra berry looks to be next ...
EDIT:
I see that recommended doses for distance appear to be lower than a gram, 1/2 a gram at most. Maybe go lower next time? This sort of thing may need some tweaking.
What is your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by biatch
And that is far from the only thing I did to recover 100%. You need to do more reading. And believe me calling it easy would be ignorant
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Hello All,
I'm looking for herbs to combat adrenal fatigue/insufficiency. From my research it looks like maral root, eleuthero, he shou wu, schisandra, rhodiola fit the bill. If anyone has had positive experiences with any of these please let me know. I already have schisandra and eleuthero in possession.
Also,
Hoping this Bacopa is available again from LE herbs. Haven't tried it yet but really want to get my hands on it.
Holy F$#k! I have not seen this kind of definition in my body since I was normal. And I'm actually 10 lbs heavier than I was when I started to really attack this problem just 5 years ago. Gotta keep this going till normality is reached. Will post photos when PCT is finished.
Took Eleuthero 1/4 teaspoon this morning. Feel alright. No worse. Maybe a little better. There is a bounce in my step.
There is no point, it is just a consideration about "recovery time".Quote:
Originally Posted by Cdsnuts
I guess "the protocol" is the only thing since we are all running it and just it, as suggested to get 100%
Biz...Quote:
Originally Posted by bizzbee
All of the herbs recommended are recommended for a reason. They all work in one way or another to get your system back up and running. Just run the recommended herbs as outlined and you'll get there.
yes they slowly build and knudge your system in the right direction. I wouldn't bin anything just because you're not feeling it right away. Hell some naturopaths like Andrew Weil say u need to be on herbs for MONTHS to see benefits. I think that's a bit extreme and more aligned with what cdnuts says about herb usage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cdsnuts
Ok fellas, thanks for the input. I wasn't planning on binning anything anytime soon. Perhaps there is a buildup period with some of these herbs. I think I may add maral root, still a little sketchy on he shou wu since anything purporting to regrow hair is something I have become instinctively wary of, regardless of what mechanism is used.
ALL of the recommended herbs are safe and recommended for a reason. Cycle accordingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by bizzbee
And just to be clear like all parts of this program you may not notice anything in the beginning. The fact that you get a response out of some of them so soon is just a plus. You need to cycle them diligently and let them do their work on your system. These things take time just like the whole rest of the protocol does
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I am tempted to say at this point that muscle atrophy and bloating looks to be a thing of the past (keeping fingers crossed). I look f#@king rock hard. This is almost two weeks post cycle (about 10-12 days?). Still kinda PCT phase I guess. The herbs that sort of gave me some brain fog or heavy headedness did not seem to make things worse in this regard, perhaps enhanced things. I can't believe this as I'm writing this. But I feel like I'm f%$king months away from being cured. Maybe one or two more cycles of pro hormone is what I need. Goddamn, even the coffee which used to work against me and made me feel god awful and bloated is now working as it should and is helping to burn fat and make me look ripped. The cognitive function and memory recall has improved by much. I feel like I could solve the grand problem of unification in physics (well I wouldn't go that far).
fuck bro hope I can get my chiseled look back too and that I can get the prohormones over here in canada lol
happy for you :) if you look back at cd's log on PH you can see the dude tried almost everything in the sun, so if it's cd recommended we gotta do it up.
When I first came out of my thick fog my normal working brain felt like a supercomputer. I know exactly what you're feeling.Quote:
Originally Posted by bizzbee
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Today,
Black Maca 1 tablespoon. 30 drops of Pine pollen tincture. It's probably best to take the pine pollen in the morning. Maybe the night time application is what causes problems. Some of that rock hardness has gone away this morning. Last night had strong erection and ok libido. This hardness going away will come back I'm sure but I think fapping is what made it go away for a while. Should refrain from fapping.
Update: The first time I tried maca was around 2012. I used to take in a few grams of the gelatinized black variety. This gave me all of the purported benefits at the time but the effects wore off with continued use. This time, after about 5 years or so, I felt no difference whatsoever. In fact, some bloating has returned. I may return this maca or try a different brand.
The dry skin may actually be due to coffee intake. Caffeine is known to have this effect on skin.
The eleuthero herb seemed to have good effect.
Schisandra is next. Perhaps maral root in the near future.
Schisandra berries 1 teaspoon this morning. I like the taste. Some of these herbs may take a while to work so will have to be patient. Though I like the herbs that are fast acting. Thinking of getting gotu kola to supplement lion's mane and bacopa.
The gotu Kola, bacopa and lion's mane combo is phenomenal for brain powerQuote:
Originally Posted by bizzbee
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Thanks CD.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cdsnuts
Ok, I think it's time to close out this thread. My experiences, I hope, have been informative to some who are considering using pro hormones in order to accelerate recovery. The next cycle will be just straight R-Andro, either topical or oral form. We shall see. Second cycle will commence in 8 weeks approximately.
Improvements:
Muscle density and strength
Muscle atrophy reduced
Energy levels have improved by much
Mood has improved
Hey Bizzbee,Quote:
Originally Posted by bizzbee
I just saw you posted on propeciahelp.com in the recovery section "90% recovered".
Happy to hear that.
I am most than everything focused about your sexual improvements, congrats.