Biatch following the protocol

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Originally Posted by biatch

I took a pause from cycling herbs for around 1 month and taking any supplement, (just something here and there without a real reason), just because my istinct told me to do so.
In the mean time I had new blood tests and differently from my last one, where everything were so f**** Low....now: testosterone raised up, free testosterone raised, estrogens that were at zero raised as well... so herbs made a good/great job.
I am now ready to start back herbs and cycling again, I want to see how they work now on me and than I think I could be read to run my R andro cycle.
By the way I feel way better since I started the route but I still have really bad days, but also good days that before were non existent..so I think I am going to the right direction.

Well, to be honest I had few days randomly where I was seriously thinking "shit I am seriously recovering/I am recovered but then up and down again...anyway there were different days were it was pretty high %, that's a good sign.

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You need to decide right now who you are going to listen to. Are you going to listen to "friends" or people from other forums promising a quick cure (when it is yet to eventuate and I highly doubt it will be anything quick if it ever does eventuate? I have heard gbolduev out and asked him plenty of questions. His treatment plans keep changing and he gets dismissive and angry when you point out the inconsistencies in what he says.) Or are you going to listen to people who have put in the hard yards and have fully recovered? You need to make this decision now. If you aren't prepared to put in the hard work, there's no point asking for advice on this forum as this isn't the place for you. You are better off staying on hack stasis where everyone worships one person who promises a quick recovery yet has had about 3 to 4 months now and failed to deliver. That is 3 to 4 months you could have been on the herbs and making ground towards your recovery.

The people on hack stasis are lazy and scared of hard work.

What is it going to be for you?

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Originally Posted by Snell1234

You need to decide right now who you are going to listen to. Are you going to listen to "friends" or people from other forums promising a quick cure (when it is yet to eventuate and I highly doubt it will be anything quick if it ever does eventuate? I have heard gbolduev out and asked him plenty of questions. His treatment plans keep changing and he gets dismissive and angry when you point out the inconsistencies in what he says.) Or are you going to listen to people who have put in the hard yards and have fully recovered? You need to make this decision now. If you aren't prepared to put in the hard work, there's no point asking for advice on this forum as this isn't the place for you. You are better off staying on hack stasis where everyone worships one person who promises a quick recovery yet has had about 3 to 4 months now and failed to deliver. That is 3 to 4 months you could have been on the herbs and making ground towards your recovery.

The people on hack stasis are lazy and scared of hard work.

What is it going to be for you?

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And the sensitive little snowflakes over at hack stasis banned me because of the above post. That should give everyone some insight into the promises being offered over there and should cause you to ask questions of what they are about if they can't take the slightest bit of criticism. It should also provide some insight into the people running the place and whether they actually have any idea what they are doing. The place should be renamed propecia help II.

In all honesty that's why I've taken a hiatus from helping people currently. And I know, that's no way to be, but I'm currently too busy to be PMing people answers to questions and advice, only to turn around and see them essentially ignoring it and going over to the other foruns and asking questions regarding alternative routes. And that's not to say I don't see the science behind the RU/Ella routes, because I do. And I know it helped TubZy out a lot, and I hold him in high regard as a stand up guy from the years I've known him now - so I do believe they are on to something. However, I have no need for it now thankfully, and I still recommend the route I took following CD. But I'm not going to troubleshoot for you why you're feeling bad from pine pollen, when, oh by the way, I took high dosages of inositol and some things as well. "Why didn't it work like you said?!?!?!", "did you experience this?!?!"..... No, I didn't, because I did everything I knew to do, TO THE FUCKING T, and I'm better. But more power to anyone who thinks they can find a faster cure.

Essentially guys, pick one route and stick to it. Trying to copy CD, TubZy, gbolduev (I think that's the gentleman's name) all at once isn't going to do you any good. You won't know what's actually hurting or helping you, and you spin yourself further into a torrent of abuse that's never ending (i.e., Propecia Help, SolvePFS).

Pick a horse and ride it. Don't ride every horse in the barn.

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Originally Posted by Maxout777

In all honesty that's why I've taken a hiatus from helping people currently. And I know, that's no way to be, but I'm currently too busy to be PMing people answers to questions and advice, only to turn around and see them essentially ignoring it and going over to the other foruns and asking questions regarding alternative routes. And that's not to say I don't see the science behind the RU/Ella routes, because I do. And I know it helped TubZy out a lot, and I hold him in high regard as a stand up guy from the years I've known him now - so I do believe they are on to something. However, I have no need for it now thankfully, and I still recommend the route I took following CD. But I'm not going to troubleshoot for you why you're feeling bad from pine pollen, when, oh by the way, I took high dosages of inositol and some things as well. "Why didn't it work like you said?!?!?!", "did you experience this?!?!"..... No, I didn't, because I did everything I knew to do, TO THE FUCKING T, and I'm better. But more power to anyone who thinks they can find a faster cure.

Essentially guys, pick one route and stick to it. Trying to copy CD, TubZy, gbolduev (I think that's the gentleman's name) all at once isn't going to do you any good. You won't know what's actually hurting or helping you, and you spin yourself further into a torrent of abuse that's never ending (i.e., Propecia Help, SolvePFS).

Pick a horse and ride it. Don't ride every horse in the barn.

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The biggest frustration for me is when people say the herbs don't work. When you pry further into how long they have taken them for, the general response is a couple of weeks with the odd outlier being a couple of months.

My serious improvements did not happen until 6 months into the herbs. I kept taking them every day in the beginning even though they may not have worked miracles at that stage. People are being drawn to a quick fix and if one does occur, great. We would all love that. But in the mean time, everyone should be following THIS protocol and not unnecessarily experimenting with methods which may even make you worse (like taking an anti-abortion drug).

As far as I see it, there is only one universal method which will fix you and that is the one espoused here. The times it doesn't work are when people don't either do it properly (not taking the right herbs or not taking them for long enough) or people getting impatient and throwing in the towel.

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Originally Posted by Snell1234

The biggest frustration for me is when people say the herbs don't work. When you pry further into how long they have taken them for, the general response is a couple of weeks with the odd outlier being a couple of months.

My serious improvements did not happen until 6 months into the herbs. I kept taking them every day in the beginning even though they may not have worked miracles at that stage. People are being drawn to a quick fix and if one does occur, great. We would all love that. But in the mean time, everyone should be following THIS protocol and not unnecessarily experimenting with methods which may even make you worse (like taking an anti-abortion drug).

As far as I see it, there is only one universal method which will fix you and that is the one espoused here. The times it doesn't work are when people don't either do it properly (not taking the right herbs or not taking them for long enough) or people getting impatient and throwing in the towel.

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I'm not familiar with any other methods but this has been my experience with people as well. The fact of the matter is if you follow the program 100% your body has no choice but to follow suit. It really is that simple

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Originally Posted by Maxout777

In all honesty that's why I've taken a hiatus from helping people currently. And I know, that's no way to be, but I'm currently too busy to be PMing people answers to questions and advice, only to turn around and see them essentially ignoring it and going over to the other foruns and asking questions regarding alternative routes. And that's not to say I don't see the science behind the RU/Ella routes, because I do. And I know it helped TubZy out a lot, and I hold him in high regard as a stand up guy from the years I've known him now - so I do believe they are on to something. However, I have no need for it now thankfully, and I still recommend the route I took following CD. But I'm not going to troubleshoot for you why you're feeling bad from pine pollen, when, oh by the way, I took high dosages of inositol and some things as well. "Why didn't it work like you said?!?!?!", "did you experience this?!?!"..... No, I didn't, because I did everything I knew to do, TO THE FUCKING T, and I'm better. But more power to anyone who thinks they can find a faster cure.

Essentially guys, pick one route and stick to it. Trying to copy CD, TubZy, gbolduev (I think that's the gentleman's name) all at once isn't going to do you any good. You won't know what's actually hurting or helping you, and you spin yourself further into a torrent of abuse that's never ending (i.e., Propecia Help, SolvePFS).

Pick a horse and ride it. Don't ride every horse in the barn.

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Exactly, I don't know why people keep trying to do 5 things at once and if you are not sure what to do just go on a fast that is what I said from the beginning. Experimental protocols are experimental for a reason, if you are in a super bad state don't be trying experimental protocols that is just plain stupid, you are setting yourself up for failure

@biatch/wuf I told you that a hundred times yet you keep pushing gbol over and over again after he told you he wasn't sure about his protocol and he needs to test it more so I still don't get why you just don't stick with the basics? He is also a huge surrogate for fasting too, which he told you but you chose to keep ignoring that part.

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Originally Posted by TubZy

Exactly, I don't know why people keep trying to do 5 things at once and if you are not sure what to do just go on a fast that is what I said from the beginning. Experimental protocols are experimental for a reason, if you are in a super bad state don't be trying experimental protocols that is just plain stupid, you are setting yourself up for failure

@biatch/wuf I told you that a hundred times yet you keep pushing gbol over and over again after he told you he wasn't sure about his protocol and he needs to test it more so I still don't get why you just don't stick with the basics? He is also a huge surrogate for fasting too, which he told you but you chose to keep ignoring that part.

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A bit of do as I say not as I do here from you Tubzy if you want the truth but we'll leave it at that.

I thinked on this forum i wouldn't find people relutant to use herbs based on experience of few weeks taking them, but i am fooled. THE HERBS ARE AT LEAST THE MAIN PART OF PROTOCOL.

They use only for 4 weeks or 8 weeks and consider it not work, YOU NEED TO CONSIDER AT LEAST ONE YEAR TAKING IT. Reestablish the proper modulation, increase the funnel, take a long time! On puberty you dont get horny and have strong erections overnight, it have been built some time before with increase of androgens and modulation until BOOM, a sexual explosion happens.

There is a guy wich recovered using only two herbs taking it for 10 months and exercises, look how powerfull are them.

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Originally Posted by Snell1234

A bit of do as I say not as I do here from you Tubzy if you want the truth but we'll leave it at that.

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You know why, and stop PMing me a million times.

Who is lazy? People are doing 21 day fast and even 54 day fasts...you make no sense. The only lazy one is you, which is why everyone complains about you to me because you beg for quick answers and if you don't get it you have a bitch fit and start insulting people.

Here are two logs of long fasts, just from the past few days, many more as well. Give me one example of someone who is lazy, because most members overlap with the ones here. Stop trying to turn everyone against each other. If you actually took a second and stopped to realize that everyone is on the same page except you. We are all pro fasting, pro herbs, pro research, anti aging etc. hence why CD is even on the forum with his own section...

21 days of Breuss - Page 5 - Hack Stasis

and here is another one just within last few days..

https://i.imgur.com/fBtUUie.png

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Originally Posted by TubZy

You know why, and stop PMing me a million times.

Who is lazy? People are doing 21 day fast and even 54 day fasts...you make no sense. The only lazy one is you, which is why everyone complains about you to me because you beg for quick answers and if you don't get it you have a bitch fit and start insulting people.

Here are two logs of long fasts, just from the past few days, many more as well. Give me one example of someone who is lazy, because most members overlap with the ones here. Stop trying to turn everyone against each other. If you actually took a second and stopped to realize that everyone is on the same page except you. We are all pro fasting, pro herbs, pro research, anti aging etc. hence why CD is even on the forum with his own section...

21 days of Breuss - Page 5 - Hack Stasis

and here is another one just within last few days..

https://i.imgur.com/fBtUUie.png

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I'm lazy? I have followed cdnut's protocol for 12 months now to the point where I am almost fully cured. How about you? You are on what, your 15th protocol now? All of which you spend what, a week or two on?

The only reason you and others at the forum would be annoyed at me would be because I call out the crap where this guy has a new protocol each week, has massive inconsistencies in his story and is offering a quick cure to people which is sidetracking them from doing the hard work which has been done by others to get better. I've barely posted on that forum so I don't know where you would get the part about me having a bitch fit and insulting people.

You on the other hand - here is your latest PM - which i only sent one PM to you when you banned me from hackstasis for what I said here and then responded to your subsequent PMs.

"You really are retarded, you are going to talk shit about me and my site along with many members that are much more dedicated than you right in front of a frequent forum I visit, after I just warned you to tone it down a bit since so many people complain about you and you agreed? You think I'm that stupid, IDC if you think it free speech or not you have no respect for anyone.

You put absolutely zero contribution to the forum you just free ride along beg for quick for fast answers from everyone and if you don't get it you have a bitch fit. You say people are lazy, who is lazy? There are people doing 36 day fasts right at this moment, how is that lazy? Stop sending me multiple PM's you really are a butt hurt snowflake, why are you still crying and complaining?"


Anyway, good luck to you and everyone else on that site in searching for the magic bullet. That's what propeciahelp did for years. Let's see if it turns out any differently for you guys.

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Originally Posted by Snell1234

I'm lazy? I have followed cdnut's protocol for 12 months now to the point where I am almost fully cured. How about you? You are on what, your 15th protocol now? All of which you spend what, a week or two on?

The only reason you and others at the forum would be annoyed at me would be because I call out the crap where this guy has a new protocol each week, has massive inconsistencies in his story and is offering a quick cure to people which is sidetracking them from doing the hard work which has been done by others to get better. I've barely posted on that forum so I don't know where you would get the part about me having a bitch fit and insulting people.

You on the other hand - here is your latest PM - which i only sent one PM to you when you banned me from hackstasis for what I said here and then responded to your subsequent PMs.

"You really are retarded, you are going to talk shit about me and my site along with many members that are much more dedicated than you right in front of a frequent forum I visit, after I just warned you to tone it down a bit since so many people complain about you and you agreed? You think I'm that stupid, IDC if you think it free speech or not you have no respect for anyone.

You put absolutely zero contribution to the forum you just free ride along beg for quick for fast answers from everyone and if you don't get it you have a bitch fit. You say people are lazy, who is lazy? There are people doing 36 day fasts right at this moment, how is that lazy? Stop sending me multiple PM's you really are a butt hurt snowflake, why are you still crying and complaining?"


Anyway, good luck to you and everyone else on that site in searching for the magic bullet. That's what propeciahelp did for years. Let's see if it turns out any differently for you guys.

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Yeah of course you are "almost" cured all of sudden now, here is your log from a month ago, nice try. You keep saying magic bullet, the protocols are the same, why do you think CD is on there? One is a foundation and one is experimental but they pretty much overlap that is the entire point, of course you always want someone to tell you exactly what do every step of the way and hold your hand like a baby so that may be hard for you to understand.

Snell's log - Hack Stasis


You are begging Gbol to comment in your log less than a month ago for advice and talking about "low potassium" and "snapping back" symptoms. Give me a break, compulsive liar will do anything and use anyone to try and get what you want. Oh and what a surprise the same user you quoted in the below post is the same user that started this thread we are posting in right now, funny how you act so much nicer to him here. So to answer your question about your bitch fit and insulting people, see below.

https://i.imgur.com/2HigON1.png

Hahahahahahahackstasis...

Read my posts in this thread. I said I have asked gbol questions and heard him out. I do not deny that.

What I said was everyone is treating him as a saviour and you are not allowing anyone to question him or call him out on any inconsistencies. And people are giving up on the tried and tested methods in favour of a quick fix.

And yes I am almost cured. That is not a lie. I still have low potassium symptoms and I am getting better each day.

Anyway - I’m done with this rubbish on this board - it is not the place for it here. I have made my point that people should not be rushing to find the magic pill when the answer is in front of them with the protocol on the forum here.

In relation to what I said to wuf/biatch, he was being a smart arse and trying to say that if you don't get instant results, you won't get any. I get extremely frustrated at that attitude and even more so when someone is saying this to others like they know what they are talking about.

And I need to pull you up. The protocols are not the same. At all. Does cdnuts advise using an anti abortion drug? Or clomid? Cdnut's protocol focuses on diet, the mind, herbs and a whole host of other things that aren't covered by gbol. Don't deceive people and try to say they are anything alike at all.

And cdnuts has a section there but where is all the main activity? It's with the guy promising a quick fix.

Also, in that thread or anywhere else I did not see one example of me having a bitch fit when I didn't get an answer to my question. Unloading on biatch, which, let's face it, we have all been tempted to do before, is not the same as what you said. And I wasn't that nice to him in my first post to him today.

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Originally Posted by Snell1234

Read my posts in this thread. I said I have asked gbol questions and heard him out. I do not deny that.

What I said was everyone is treating him as a saviour and you are not allowing anyone to question him or call him out on any inconsistencies. And people are giving up on the tried and tested methods in favour of a quick fix.

And yes I am almost cured. That is not a lie. I still have low potassium symptoms and I am getting better each day.

Anyway - I’m done with this rubbish on this board - it is not the place for it here. I have made my point that people should not be rushing to find the magic pill when the answer is in front of them with the protocol on the forum here.

In relation to what I said to wuf/biatch, he was being a smart arse and trying to say that if you don't get instant results, you won't get any. I get extremely frustrated at that attitude and even more so when someone is saying this to others like they know what they are talking about.

And I need to pull you up. The protocols are not the same. At all. Does cdnuts advise using an anti abortion drug? Or clomid? Cdnut's protocol focuses on diet, the mind, herbs and a whole host of other things that aren't covered by gbol. Don't deceive people and try to say they are anything alike at all.

And cdnuts has a section there but where is all the main activity? It's with the guy promising a quick fix.

Also, in that thread or anywhere else I did not see one example of me having a bitch fit when I didn't get an answer to my question. Unloading on biatch, which, let's face it, we have all been tempted to do before, is not the same as what you said. And I wasn't that nice to him in my first post to him today.

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Open up a dictionary and look up the word experimental. This is why you get banned from all the forums you go on.

You say you are done, yet edit your post and add 5 more sentences back in LOL. Of course the main activity is going to be in the research part of the forum as there are people experimenting and adding in research daily, but most people are doing another regimen, they aren't just waiting around like you are and constantly begging for answers and annoying people. People are doing fasts, cycling herbs, eating paleo/low carb etc. too, just because someone decides to discuss a different topic doesn't mean it off limits or it is all sudden a protocol, all topics should be on the table. I literally just gave you two examples from the last few days of people doing fasts...

I'm not going to respond to every little point you have as it is a waste of time, but fasting in general upregulates ALL hormonal receptors since the building blocks of hormones are no longer being taken in from food the body has no choice but to up regulate the existing receptors in order to compensate, this is the same reason why so many people get the huge test boost post fast, this is also the same reason why insulin sensitivity dramatically improves from fasting and continues to stick after post fast compared to a standard simple low carb diet where basic metabolic rate falls. The other optional experimental options he mentioned like RU for example upregulates cortisol and progesterone receptors only, how do you not know this by now? You only asked him a million times? Fasting is just more of an efficient way of doing it as it acts on every receptor. Herbs do this as well...I posted on this stuff so many times how are you still so clueless?

If you actually paid attention for once and took a second to learn instead of demanding new protocols (but say you are basically cured, which doesn't make sense) all the time without doing some research behind them you would actually understand.

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Originally Posted by TubZy

Open up a dictionary and look up the word experimental. This is why you get banned from all the forums you go on.

You say you are done, yet edit your post and add 5 more sentences back in LOL. Of course the main activity is going to be in the research part of the forum as there are people experimenting and adding in research daily, but most people are doing another regimen, they aren't just waiting around like you are and constantly begging for answers and annoying people. People are doing fasts, cycling herbs, eating paleo/low carb etc. too, just because someone decides to discuss a different topic doesn't mean it off limits or it is all sudden a protocol, all topics should be on the table. I literally just gave you two examples from the last few days of people doing fasts?

I'm not going to respond to every little point you have as it is a waste of time, but fasting in general upregulates ALL hormonal receptors since the building blocks of hormones are no longer being taken in from via food the body has no choice but to up regulate the existing receptors in order to compensate, this is the same reason why so many people get the huge test boost post fast, this is also the same reason why insulin sensitivity dramatically improves from fasting and continues to stick after post fast compared to a simple low carb diet. The other optional experimental options he mentioned like RU for example upregulates cortisol and progesterone receptors only, how do you not know this by now? You only asked him a million times? Fasting is just more of an efficient way of doing it as it acts on every receptor.

If you actually paid attention for once and took a second to learn instead of demanding new protocols all the time without doing some research behind them you would actually understand.

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I'm beginning to think it's pointless replying to you as either you can't read or you are that vented up in anger you can't take anything in. I have followed cdnut's protcol for 12 months. Read that again. I'll say it again. I have followed cdnut's protocol for 12 months. So explain to me - how am I waiting around? And again - the only way I annoyed people was giving you and the cronies there someone unwelcomed truths. I'm happy to be banned from that forum for that to be honest. And i got banned for the criticism I wrote on here today - don't try to re write history and make out I was banned for anything I did over there.

To the rest of what you said - you are just rambling and ranting. I can't even work out what your point is. Why are you giving me an explanation about fasting? I didn't ask for it. Cdnuts has already long explained that to us. On the Ru point though, I thought that pill was the magic pill which would cure everyone? You ask how do I not know it does what you said it does? Well how come the magic pill hasn't worked how you all thought it would? Most people have said they returned to baseline after it or even worse than baseline.

And to end it saying I demand new protocols - I'm beginning to think you are medicated at the moment Tubzy as you are now just inventing stuff to go along with your insane posts as I have barely posted on that shocking forum in the last month. And banned from every forum? I've only been banned from your forum because you are overly sensitive and insane and also on ray peat where most people who posted in the propecia thread got banned for no reason other than we were associated with a guy who challenged their way of thinking.

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Originally Posted by Snell1234

I'm beginning to think it's pointless replying to you as either you can't read or you are that vented up in anger you can't take anything in. I have followed cdnut's protcol for 12 months. Read that again. I'll say it again. I have followed cdnut's protocol for 12 months. So explain to me - how am I waiting around? And again - the only way I annoyed people was giving you and the cronies their someone unwelcomed truths. I'm happy to be banned from that forum for that to be honest. And i got banned for the criticism I wrote on here today - don't try to re write history and make out I was banned for anything I did over there.

To the rest of what you said - you are just rambling and ranting. I can't even work out what your point is. Why are you giving me an explanation about fasting? I didn't ask for it. Cdnuts has already long explained that to us. On the Ru point though, I thought that pill was the magic pill which would cure everyone? You ask how do I not know it does what you said it does? Well how come the magic pill hasn't worked how you all thought it would? Most people have said they returned to baseline after it or even worse than baseline.

And to end it saying I demand new protocols - I'm beginning to think you are medicated at the moment Tubzy as you are now just inventing stuff to go along with your insane posts as I have barely posted on that shocking forum in the last month.

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Then why are you harassing Gbol over and over again with questions about pine pollen and potassium and minerals. You don't stop, do you really want me to dig up all of your private conversations with him? He can't stand you he said all you do is ask question after question all day long and it is like talking to a wall. So my question is, why are constantly harassing people for protocols other than CD's? It really is a simple question.

This is just last week, you are begging and demanding him for his protocol when he specifcally told you he is not sure yet and to stop making up his own protocols. If you are following CD's and are almost cured, why are you continuing to go off CD's regimen then?? It is not that CD's regimen doesn't work, you just are a compulsive liar then play victim, like how we are on swole source now and now you try to suck up to CD all of sudden.

https://i.imgur.com/TP7DoHo.png

I literally just explained to you the similarity between some of the stuff Gbol suggests what CD suggests i.e. fasting, I don't know how to dumb it down any further for you - no wonder why you still don't get it. No anger at all, I think this is hilarious.

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Then why are you harassing Gbol over and over again with questions about pine pollen and potassium and minerals. You don't stop, do you really want me to dig up all of your private conversations with him? He can't stand you he said all you do is ask question after question all day long and it is like talking to a wall. So my question is, why are constantly harassing people for protocols other than CD's? It really is a simple question.

This is just last week, you are begging him for his protocol when he specifcally told you he is not sure yet and to stop. If you are following CD's and are almost cured, why are you continuing to go off CD's regimen then?? It is not that CD's regimen doesn't work, you are just fake and a compulsive liar then play victim, like how we are on swole source now and now you try to suck up to CD all of sudden.

https://i.imgur.com/TP7DoHo.png

I literally just explained to you the similarity between some of the stuff Gbol suggests what CD suggests, I don't know how to dumb it down any further for you - no wonder why you still don't get it.

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You need to stop with the hyperbolic language to try to convey a point which isn't there.

Read what I have written in this post from the start. I said I have heard gbol and questioned him myself. Hence the post above being an example of that. At all times I have been doing cdnut's protocol but I have also been curious to see where this guy was going with his theories. In the above post, I was making the point that he should list what he was currently doing as his protocol as if you provide the forum posts from the whole thread, you would see people were going ahead and guessing and doing parts of his protocol without doing it all - which is a recipe for disaster. How is that "begging"?

And harassing? What is the with the use of these hyperbolic terms? Is asking someone questions harassing? And maybe he think it's like talking to a wall to me because he cannot properly explain what he is trying to get at. Maybe he doesn't even know what he's doing as his protocol of taking an abortion drug, which you did, failed miserably. I don't really care if he can't stand me.

And to clear up any confusion you are trying to create - I have not deviated off cdnut's protocol once, I have not tried any of his stuff at all. Not one thing of his. I'm not that stupid to do any of the things he's suggested so far like taking an anti abortion drug.

And now you want to go into private messages between me and him to further any of your silly points that you are trying to make? Not that I really care, but I wouldn't have though that's exactly an ethical way of running a forum where you sieve through poster's PMs as a moderator and post them on another forum. But it is you who we are talking about. You have shown yourself to be insane today. Anyone reading this thread would be able to see that. Why don't you exit here and run off to your safe space over at hack stasis and end this nonsense. Threatening to post PM's between me and another poster - I think you have exposed yourself to others to be what I already knew you were for a while.

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Originally Posted by Snell1234

You need to stop with the hyperbolic language to try to convey a point which isn't there.

Read what I have written in this post from the start. I said I have heard gbol and questioned him myself. Hence the post above being an example of that. At all times I have been doing cdnut's protocol but I have also been curious to see where this guy was going with his theories. In the above post, I was making the point that he should list what he was currently doing as his protocol as if you provide the forum posts from the whole thread, you would see people were going ahead and guessing and doing parts of his protocol without doing it all - which is a recipe for disaster. How is that "begging"?

And harassing? What is the with the use of these hyperbolic terms? Is asking someone questions harassing? And maybe he think it's like talking to a wall to me because he cannot properly explain what he is trying to get at. Maybe he doesn't even know what he's doing as his protocol of taking an anti abortion drug, which you did, failed miserably. I don't really care if he can't stand me.

And to clear up any confusion you are trying to create - I have not deviated off cdnut's protocol once, I have not tried any of his stuff at all. Not one thing of his. I'm not that stupid to do any of the things he's suggested so far like taking an anti abortion drug.

And now you want to go into private messages between me and him to further any of your silly points that you are trying to make? Not that I really care, but I wouldn't have though that's exactly an ethical way of running a forum where you sieve through poster's PMs as a moderator and post them on another forum. But it is you who we are talking about. You have shown yourself to be insane today. Anyone reading this thread would be able to see that. Why don't you exit here and run off to your safe space over at hack stasis and end this nonsense. Threatening to post PM's between me and another poster - I think you have exposed yourself to others to be what I already knew you were for a while.

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Sounds good. Since when does CD's protocol suggest liver toxic antibiotics (triple antibiotic therapy, are you serious??) like you mentioned below LOL, refresh my memory? Where you "almost" cured here too lmao. No wonder why you act like this you are from the propecia help site like you said here..

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Originally Posted by TubZy

Sounds good. Since when does CD's protocol suggest liver toxic antibiotics (triple antibiotic therapy, are you serious??) like you mentioned below LOL, refresh my memory? Where you "almost" cured here too lmao. No wonder why you act like this you are from the propecia help site like you said here..

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This was well prior to getting on cdnuts protocol. Check the dates. I said I’ve been on cdnuts protocol for 12 months. What does the date say there?

I think you are a little bit obsessed now and you are clearly unstable. That was when I attempted chi’s protocol. Read what I said about propecia help. I never posted there once.

You are actually losing the plot here and exposing yourself to be the sociopath that I knew you were based on our past interactions which you managed to cover up with everyone else.

ANd for the benefits of others, I actually am nearly cured now. It is real and stable. That was more positive thinking when I saw an improvement in some symptoms.

Now run along to your other forum please. I think people have seen enough from you now to know what you are about.

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Originally Posted by Snell1234

This was well prior to getting on cdnuts protocol. Check the dates. I said I’ve been on cdnuts protocol for 12 months. What does the date say there?

I think you are a little bit obsessed now and you are clearly unstable. That was when I attempted chi’s protocol. Read what I said about propecia help. I never posted there once.

You are actually losing the plot here and exposing yourself to be the sociopath that I knew you were based on our past interactions which you managed to cover up with everyone else.

ANd for the benefits of others, I actually am nearly cured now. It is real and stable. That was more positive thinking when I saw an improvement in some symptoms.

Now run along to your other forum please. I think people have seen enough from you now to know what you are about.

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You are right it was just another hopeless, uneducated protocol that you put together that failed miserably. So you are on your what, 17th protocol now, just wanted to point out your hypocrisy that is all, maybe PH will approve your post this time around. You call out other people's protocols yet you shilled all of these fake ones in the past. You are getting upset over someone that mentioned clomid in the past yet you are suggesting them to take triple antibiotic therapy - how does that even make sense? Lets face it you have zero knowledge of anything you are actually talking about and your post talking about gut inflammation shows it.

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Originally Posted by TubZy

You are right it was just another hopeless, uneducated protocol that you put together that failed miserably. So you are on your what, 17th protocol now, just wanted to point out your hypocrisy that is all, maybe PH will approve your post this time around. You call out other people's protocols yet you shilled all of these fake ones in the past. You are getting upset over someone that mentioned clomid in the past yet you are suggesting them to take triple antibiotic therapy - how does that even make sense?

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What is the matter with you? This was prior to cdnuts protocol and prior to learning what I had to do exactly to get better. I saw cdnut's results and saw others who had got results and saw that it would take time and I had to stick to it. Which is what I have done.

Once I discovered cdnuts protocol, I have not chopped and changed. I have stayed on it. You really are missing the point I'm afraid. The point of cdnuts' protocol is you need to stay on it and give it time. I said people give it a month, maybe 2, and then discount and say it doesn't work. That's what I said I have a problem with.

All that I mentioned in that post was in 2015 - 12 months before getting on cdnuts. I don't think you even know what point you are trying to make now. You become completely irrational and illogical when you get fired up.

You really should give up now. That hole you are in keeps getting deeper and deeper every time you post something in response. It has been a great advertisement of why everyone should avoid hackstasis like the plague.

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Originally Posted by Snell1234

What is the matter with you? This was prior to cdnuts protocol and prior to learning what I had to do exactly to get better. I saw cdnut's results and saw others who had got results and saw that it would take time and I had to stick to it. Which is what I have done.

Once I discovered cdnuts protocol, I have not chopped and changed. I have stayed on it. You really are missing the point I'm afraid. The point of cdnuts' protocol is you need to stay on it and give it time. I said people give it a month, maybe 2, and then discount and say it doesn't work. That's what I said I have a problem with.

All that I mentioned in that post was in 2015 - 12 months before getting on cdnuts. I don't think you even know what point you are trying to make now. You become completely irrational and illogical when you get fired up.

You really should give up now. That hole you are in keeps getting deeper and deeper every time you post something in response. It has been a great advertisement of why everyone should avoid hackstasis like the plague.

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That is great and all but point has been the same from the beginning. Right, you need to stay on the CD nuts protocol for a while everyone here knows that, so why are you making logs, asking repetitive questions, demanding protocols of others users that are not CD's protocol? You registered on RP forum which had nothing to do with CD's protocol and you registered on HS both of which didn't have to do with CD's protocol at the time. This was this past year, so everyone wants to know why you keep publicly and privately annoying members and demanding protocols for something that isn't CD's? Like you don't just ask one simple question, you PM people like in an obsessive way, it is very odd, like the 5 PM's you sent me in a row on here, when I didn't even answer back. Everyone has seen your posts at RP and HS, they are all aware of how demanding you and hypocritical you are, it is no secret, best to stay at solve PFS where you are from which you ironically keep using as an insult.

And no I'm not going to remove a moderator that you don't like in exchange so you can join HS again LOL, thanks for the PM anyways

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Originally Posted by TubZy

That is great and all but point has been the same from the beginning. Right, you need to stay on the CD nuts protocol for a while everyone here knows that, so why are you making logs, asking repetitive questions, demanding protocols of others users that are not CD's protocol? You registered on RP forum which had nothing to do with CD's protocol and you registered on HS both of which didn't have to do with CD's protocol at the time. This was this past year, so everyone wants to know why you keep publicly and privately annoying members and demanding protocols for something that isn't CD's? Like you don't just ask one simple question, you PM people like in an obsessive way, like the 5 PM's you sent me on here, when I didn't even answer back. Everyone has seen your posts at RP and HS, they are all aware of how demanding you and hypocritical you are, it is no secret, best to stay at solve PFS.

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More rubbish lies from you again. You are not all there in the head. I've lost count of how many times I've said this to you - I said I had asked questions of gbol, that I was interested, that I heard him out. Of course I was curious if there was going to be something that got me better in 2 weeks. The difference is though that I never once acted on this curiosity. I only ever did cdnut's protocol and tried to understand what this guy was saying as he seemed to know his stuff.

To go through point by point of your lies. You said I sent 5 pms here which you didn't answer back. Having gone through them then, I sent you one when you banned me over an innocuous post on here when I hurt your feelings about hack stasis. You then replied. I then sent two in reply. You replied. I replied back to that. Where are the 5 PMs you speak of which you didn't reply to? Stop lying.

Where have I demanded "protocols"? Can you show me that? I have asked questions about potassium and things like that. I asked him to tell us what he was taking at the moment as people were guessing what he was doing and taking parts of his newest protocol, which i found stupid. In all this, if I am demanding all these things, why wouldn't I be taking them? You have honestly lost the plot something severe here.

As I said, I don't really care what you and your cronies think of me. You all got upset because I questioned whether your saviour was as good as he said he was. You have exposed the real you here today. A person who lies, who is overly sensitive and is a sociopath. You lie so much you can't even see it, as evidenced by the 5 PMs lie. And when I give you an insult, you just repeat it back at me, like calling me snowflake in return and calling me a liar when I have called you one in the past and then calling me obsessive when I called you obsessed.

You need some serious help. Now off you go. Please.

You should take this offline somewhere. It's beginning to look like Propeciahelp.

Agreed

By the way I just wanted to report that herbs raised up my hormones in ranges.
And I will start them back.
LOL))

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Originally Posted by biatch

By the way I just wanted to report that herbs raised up my hormones in ranges.
And I will start them back.
LOL))

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Lol. Start them all up and try to work through any issues with the pine pollen. It will definitely improve you. It is one of the key herbs, if not the key herb.

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Originally Posted by Pageidol

Agreed

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Yeah I agree, I'm sure CD will delete it anyways.
Wasn't going to respond initially except kept getting antagonized via PM and with multiple posts from him in this thread asking for an explanation before I finally just explained why.

I'm done responding LOL

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Originally Posted by TubZy

Yeah I agree, I'm sure CD will delete it anyways.
Wasn't going to respond initially except kept getting antagonized via PM and with multiple posts from him in this thread asking for an explanation before I finally just explained why.

I'm done responding LOL

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If that’s how you saw it play out, then good on you. Still lying right to the end. Good thing all the posts are there for everyone to see what actually happened. Of course you’d want all the posts deleted as you exposed yourself to be a lying sociopath who blew up like a maniac when I offered some criticism of your new forum.

And good on you for chipping back in when it had all died down.

God this thread smells like high school. Everyone here is trying to solve the same problem, who isn't recovered at least. It's not as if you're going to receive the Nobel Prize if your way works better than others. It makes us look like idiots and confirms the stupid bullshit the morons at PH and SolvePFS say about us "homebrewers".

By the way, I still confirm I just wanted to report that herbs worked well to rise homones in ranges...LOL)))

Sigh....

Guys....Let me ask you all something....I think what this comes down to is that if you guys are really jumping around to all these other forums, then, to me, it shows that you really don't believe the answer already lies in front of you.

I'm actually surprised that alot of you are on other forums as I thought alot of you "got it." Is that not the case?

If you really understood the condition, you would know, intimately, that there is no magic bullet, nor will there ever be. That is not the way this works. I thought that was clear, but apparently, I was naive in thinking that.

I just wish there was a way to make you all see this....clearly.

Your time would be so much better spent working on yourselves and your recovery, then forum hopping and arguing about these things.

If you put half as much time into say, meditation, or hitting the gym, or learning about how you literally create your reality, these past couple of posts wouldn't even exist. They are very telling, and, very unfortunate.

I'm not going to delete this post, as it goes very far in proving a very important point.

I wish you all a very Happy Thanksgiving. It still seems like many of you have alot of work left to do. Be well.

I posted to give a positive contribution about what herbs helped me to achieve.
That was the final intention.

Your doing right mate, its all the other drama on here not you

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Originally Posted by biatch

I posted to give a positive contribution about what herbs helped me to achieve.
That was the final intention.

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The herbs are just part of the bigger picture. Of course they're going to raise your hormone levels that's one of the reasons they are suggested. They work even better when combined with the overall program.

Congrats on your improvements thus far

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Hey Cd, just my curiosity..
Did the user English who recovered use the androsterone pro-hormones?
Just my curiosity.. nothing else.
Thanks

I believe i read somewhere that English said he never used any prohormones.

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Originally Posted by biatch

Hey Cd, just my curiosity..
Did the user English who recovered use the androsterone pro-hormones?
Just my curiosity.. nothing else.
Thanks

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No

As K had mentioned, he didn't use any prohormones whatsoever.

They're not necessary to heal, although they do push things along a little quicker.

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Originally Posted by Cdsnuts

No

As K had mentioned, he didn't use any prohormones whatsoever.

They're not necessary to heal, although they do push things along a little quicker.

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I was pretty sure he used since I remember reading it sowhere here in the forum, but I was more interested to know if it was androsterone.
But ok, you know it better than me.
Thank you

Think he used em for like a week but was paranoid they were suppressive