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looks like a lot of new people have joined...essentially, I'm bumping the (sticky'd thread).
Hey Guys!
I'm Will, 29 years young from a small Country (Wales) on a small Island (the United Kingdom).
Interests include lifting and all things athletic, former semi-pro soccer player who still plays for fun when I can.
Have the bad luck of being struck by PFS after 7 years of propecia use without any harm back in Dec 2012, and on the quest to recovery since. Varied side effects, largely of a sexual nature, and thankfully no longer any of the mental side effects, although the first year or so was hell.
Have been lifting and despite my mess am in the best shape of my life right now due to tightening up diet and exercise, although putting on mass is a problem due to near bottom range T levels and an aromatase enzyme that goes batshit crazy at any sign of elevating my androgens.
Looking forward to learning and adding my uneducated two cents where possible.
Welcome sir, we're happy to have you here!
That language you Wales speak is impossible to understand, all those shrieks, low growls and and whistles..tough one.
Anyhow welcome!
Welcome to the forum! Hopefully we can help you in your recovery
This basically solidifys it, we need a subforum lol. Welcome though, brother.
Thank you for the warm welcome guys!
Haha absolutely, I'm not a Welsh speaker but the in the City I work in most people are first language Welsh, they may as well be speaking Kling-on to me... its a crazy language, the town I grew up in is called Nantyffyllon... good luck pronouncing that haha!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank!
I do know a few words....
Will ydw i. Diolch gyda i'r croeso! Rydw i'n hoffi Swole Source achos maen wych!
Translate: My name is Will. Thank you for the welcome. I like Swole Source because it is great!
Also, always good to put a face to a name, so here I am in my pre lifting soccer days... I was kind of a big deal
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Also, will add customary physique shot to my profile, its a few months old and i've put on a bit of mass and a bit of body fat since due to boosting my T levels with supp cycling... pesky aromatase enzyme!
Physique shot, cool..something with your face..I'd take down just for anonymity reasons..if you decide to cycle or more.
Welcome friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swill
Hello! My name is Antonio, I'm 25 years old and brazilian. I used to be a lover of bodybuilding and weighlift, even had some success on bodybuilding, until I made the very dumb decision of taking finasteride. I'm logging into this forum hopping to find some answers and help to correct my hormonal profile. I know that there are people here the now more than doctors about this problem, so maybe they can help. If anyone is willing to help with knowledge or even words of support feel free to send me PM.
I would like to start a thread where I can share my whole history with blood tests and everything, but I'm still no familiarized with the forum and don't wish to break any rules. Any tips are very welcome.
Please post ALL finasteride related posts here.....Post Finasteride SyndromeQuote:
Originally Posted by ToniBR
Nobody is going to want to even look at your stuff if you're littering the forum with stuff most of these guys don't give a shit about. They were nice enough to add a section for you guys (I wasn't so thrilled about it) so don't piss them off needlessly. They made a section, and they can take that section away if this gets anymore out of hand.
Well, if I made a mistake by coming here to ask for help than I'll just leave and delete my account. I don't want to piss anybody off, I just want to optmize my hormones and see if that can lead to a better life. Anyway, if I'm not welcome just tell me.
Jesus Christ. I've told you what to do, he tells you what to do. Start doing it, don't act like an insecure woman. If we didn't want you here we'd tell you..we just want ou guys to post your shit in the right place..which if you seriously took 2 minutes, I wasn't bullshitting what I told you earlier..you'd have found your resource heaven for your issue
1. Play Nice. We are all here to both learn and teach. It is through this community-based approach where we can all help ourselves advance towards our goals. Entering into petty arguments not only reflects poorly on you, it reflects poorly on the community as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by tallstraw
I read the rules, man, and there was nothing there regarding creation of topics for personal use. I'm so brain fogged that I can barely walk on the street. English is not even my main language so I'm doing a tremendous effort just to seek for help, since doctors only seem to mock me. O know CDSNUTS is sick and tired from all this finasteride shit, but man, you know what I'm going thru here. I'll post my most recent blood works tomorrow. Right now I have very high cortisol (3x over the range), high progesterone, in range low total T and in range high E. Don't know how much it will work by fixing these, but I'm guessing low dose AI is a good starting point. I never stopped exercising, but that is very hard now because my hands are weak and cold (like there is no enough blood going there) and I feel even more fogged and vision blurried. Is HRT (thyroid, cortisol, testosterone and proviron) a good way to put things in a better place quickly?
By the way, I'm very senstive to anything I take, but in a bad way. For example, tribullus seem to give me gyno issues.
CD isn't the only one sick and tired of it. I'm tried of coming on here to see people's updates and every other day it feels like it's a new fucking PFS person who we have to direct to the sun forum. Which doesn't share our goals, they just want PFS help..but won't take the 5 mins to read through sub forums to see if their questions can be answered without starting a new thread or hijacking someone else's..or worse hijacking someone's else's which isn't even related to PFS.Which they STILL DONT LISTEN TO. Case and point, you're still posting on this thread for help after he linked the PFS section. Keep PFS stuff to there.
I'm not goin after you for your language barrier, I'm going after you for doing what literally EVERY PFS person has done.
Also, by doing what tallstraw is mad at you for doing, you made it real obvious you haven't gone back and read the meaningful threads for pfs guys anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by tallstraw
Hate to say I told you guys so.....but......I TOLD YOU SO!
Now this "Introduce yourself thread" is another propecia trainwreck.
An AI is good - you'll want Aromasin more so than any non steroidial like Arimidex - however, both can be used, you just have to know how.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToniBR
Aromasin reduces the body's capacity to make estrogen while Arimidex helps clear the body of existing estrogen. A low dose of Arimidex; for instance, at night before bed can help you fall asleep; high estrogen and cortisol will keep you up. This will not eliminate your bodys production so Aromasin is needed as well. Also, take a look at Eleuthero to help with your bodies cortisol. This herb has a way of readjusting your adrenals from cortisol to androgen production.
As for this website, I like it as a forum to bounce ideas. A few memebers have even PM'd me on them. The community helps me learn and I do my best to contribute. If you follow that approach, I think you should be fine. Constant updates will likely have you being ignored, maybe/maybe not.
Can the 'finasterided up' and off topic posts in this thread just be deleted, it is only 'Introduce Yourself' after all
If you follow that approach, you won't get squat from us. If you post your issues in the pfs subforum, like we've politely (and inpolitely) requested, you'll likely curry our favour. Come on guys, you really think cd, myself or any of the few people who recovered wants to be reminded about this shit in an introductory thread? Or worse the guys smart enough to never use that shit? Have some courtesy guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverstrand
Bulkraws is here , simply a introduction about myself lol
Crazy fun of roids and supplement lol
Lol...sounds like a party.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulkraws
hey guys. I had a crash from topical anti-androgen RU58841 on June 2nd. Took it just one time April 24th 1ml 50mg. Noticed sexual sides within 5 hours of using with a lady friend so dropped it.
Took about 18 days for my libido to return full force and it came back with a vengeance. I had higher energy, erections than even before. I did dabble a bit with some drugs during this 2-4 weeks period (lsd once, modafinil twice, phenibut 2-3 times a week, GHB once). besides this, was living very healthy organic diet, gym, plenty of sleep. I also just started a new job though which was stressful though.
the last 2 weeks before I crashed were on/off symptoms until I crashed. The night I crashed I had a girl over and I was going to enter her, got a hard erection then got a pain in my head and my dick went flaccid after 10 pumps. never happened before.
seems like some weird type of pfs. doctors mostly write me off as 'in my head' and attribute it to LSD but don't think LSD can make a dude impotent lol and I've used it twice before with no problems and no signs of mental illness in my family.
anyways my symptoms are very similar to CDNUTS 'strange head pressure like something isn't getting oxygen or isn't there, low libido, trouble with erections, anxiety/panic attacks, insomnia, depression, anhedonia, facecial changes, muscle loss, more skinny fat. when i first crashed I also had testicle pain, headaches, convulsions, couldn't speak for a bit. off the top of my head.
attached are my bloods if you guys have insight. main things that pop out high cortisol, low LH/FSH, low free T, high DHT, highest estradiol. Note these are Canadian metrics.
and more bloods
and last one
No need to post your labs here. This is more of "say hi" thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacknap
Please start a thread on the propecia section.
And, again, the answer is always going to be the same regardless of labs. Start the protocol....
Just wanted to say hello to everyone. I've been gone for about 3+ years and had life/work stuff to deal with. Hopefully you are all doing well. 💪
Wow! Welcome back man. Good to see an old head back on the Forum. We need to get some more good discussions going here againQuote:
Originally Posted by burlyman30
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Hi, Guys.
Long time Lurker and time to take action. Thought I'd introduce myself and my story.
Started Propecia back in 2009 when I began to notice thinning and receding hair. I was 24 at the time. I had no issues at all, hair stabilized, no libido or sexual issues and mind was as sharp as always (Excelled in my career, had a great relationship).
Things were great for many years, but then......
Fast forward to 2014. I began to not be able to focus at work, had a very hard time concentrating and my out put had significantly dropped. I put it down to me being disengaged. It was only when I got into a relationship with a new girl in the Fall of 2014 and to 'rise to the occasion become an issue'. I put it down to stress, I got a perscription for Cialis and off I went (Masked the problem).
Well, the past few years have just deteriorated, output at work has dropped to zero (I'm really just surviving on past glories) Libido and sexual desire have dropped to nothing, huge ED and anxiety issues. Girls got fed up with intimacy problems so my great relationships have all dried up and disspareed and this summer has been rock bottom.
With relentless Googling, I stumbled across the forums began reading and realized I have PFS. So the Propecia for me stopped in June..cold turkey.
It took a while for me to land on this site have been reading some of the 'Horror Story' forums out there which has kept me in a state of inaction and denial. But landing here and reading the recovery stories and the protocal, i'm really in a positive midset about recovering.
I know what I have to do, Protocal it is for and the sooner I get started I can start to recover.
Just wanted to introduce myself, and my story as i am sure I will have questions along the way.
Thanks, Gents.
Welcome.
Please make sure to read all the stickies in this subforum.
Brothers, I cannot tell you how much of a relief it is to find this forum. CDNuts, I don't want to sound corny but thank you so much man. This has saved my life.
Hopefully there's some guys on here from PH or SolvePFS that might recognise me. Anyway, I won't waste my words on this part, may as well tell you my story.
When I was 23, I took Proscar for 1.5 months from late July 2013 - early September 2013. No one warned me of potential side effects, let alone ongoing. I wish I could say before I took Fin I was a happy, healthy person, but unfortunately I was far from it. I had been a massive weed addict for 5-6 years and had suffered bouts of what I now consider to be very mild depression/anxiety. The kicker though was the chronic obsessive thought disorder I developed during my last relationship, which unfortunately is still with me today.
So, anyway, I got hit with all the sides while on fin. I didn't exactly have sex all the time before taking it, so when the sides hit, I found the least worrying to be the sexual ones, and I've never got them as bad as the mental and emotional sides anyway. I quit, and after 14 days I went back to normal for 1 week, before the horrific crash that so many of us get. The mental/emotional sides got me by far the worst - I can still get excited when stimulated sexually, get rock hard erections and have sex/ejaculate no worries. Just very low libido basically.
Luckily, when I first found PH, CDnuts recovery story was still pretty new and like a duck to water, I took to it as my last hope.
However, I never truly believed, as I thought it was just one guy who got lucky over years of trial and error. I did the protocol out of hope, never really changed my obsessive thought patterns, and often cheated/didn't do it right. In hindsight, I was looking for a bandaid when my issues require complete surgery to every part of my mind, body and soul. I would do spits and spurts of protocols, mostly similar to CD's, then not notice any immediate changes and pack it in. I'd go back to heavy weed usage to deal with the insomnia, smoke cigarettes and drink.
The longest I made it was 4 months from January 2014 - April 2014. I did a 5 day water fast, ate all organic paleo, worked out like a beast, did carb backloading, cycled the herbs and then finally introduced the DHT. In hindsight, I went wayyyy too quick without addressing my underlying problems. I didn't notice much change over the 4 months, except for better mood after working out, better pump when taking the DHT, and naturally got really bummed out that I wasn't making progress. Then after taking the DHT, the natural PCT didn't work, and I crashed really bad. I packed it all in and focused on my career (I somehow finished my Masters and even got an e-commerce store going), and went back to heavily self medicating. Since May 2015, I've smoked a lot of weed and cigarettes again, drank all the time and just generally did things to make me forget about PFS. It actually worked, I wouldn't fixate on it, made some decent relationships and was existing I guess. I exercised 1-2 times a week up until the end of 2016 and ate reasonably healthy, but this year I just sort of gave up with everything.
I was ok just existing, and my fucked up brain kept telling myself that I'd somehow get rich and solve this all, or a 'cure' would come along. I got in a habit of telling myself next week I would quit everything and try get healthy, next week, next week...
Until finally, last Monday, I quit everything and went on a 3 day water fast again. And it all fucking hit me. The realisation I had wasted four years I could have spent trying to get better, or at least get 80-90 per cent of my life back. I got really depressed, suicidal (the worst I've EVER been) and have experienced a crash only similar to my initial one - horrible brain fog, zero concentration, massive depression, zero sleep. I stumbled around on the old forums looking for a magic cure someone might have found in the two years I was away, to no avail. Then, I saw one post saying CD was over here helping guys.
I came here, saw the recoveries section, and saw the tens of dudes following the protocol to the t, long-term, with a clear mind and body, who have either recovered or are very close. I saw photos of dudes with their shirts off looking fucking tank! (no homo) This has truly given me hope, and really made it clear that it wasn't just CD and a couple of lucky guys who got better. It's become apparent people do heal - they just have the right attitude, take the time, and then fuck off from the forums never to be seen again. Now I know there are guys who are doing it who are having success - I cried with happiness this afternoon seeing this. I have actually experienced a complete change of mindset and now I truly 100 per cent believe I can heal.
I know I've probably pumped myself more full of toxins while in PFS state than most guys who've recovered, and I also need to address my obsessive thoughts which always hold me back, so I might take longer than others. But now I believe I can do this. I'm really looking forward to changing everything about myself and becoming a completely new, stronger person. Very, very few people get a chance to truly shed all their baggage and do that in their life - so I'm scared but optimistic. It will be painful for a while, but it will get better.
I'll be easing myself into things this time - I don't care how long it takes, just knowing it's a repeatable process gives me hope. I'm starting by going Paleo, and easing back into exercise, along with seeing a psychologist to address my underlying issues. If I can never just exist in the moment without obsessing about something every minute of every day, I'll never find peace and heal. Over the first six months I plan on doing most of my work on diet, exercise, mental health before moving on to cycling the pro-hormones again.
I'm going to do 2 X 4 week juice feasts - 1 will come at the start of next year after building up some muscle again (I'm too thin/out of shape to do it now, it would be dangerous). I'll then build myself up again and do one last 4 week juice feast.
Planning on hanging around for a bit here at the start, then I will just check in every few months with progress. Once again - thank you to the people who have given me hope.
Thank you, CD.
Will do man!
Greetings,
congratulations on organising this small subforum inside a larger forum regarding PFS!
Cudos to cdnuts as well for taking the time and going the extra mile to assist others in the same pickle.
I wouldn't like to write a huge post since i intend to open up my own thread, however i will provide some amount of information regarding my case!
I was obese my whole life until i was 23 years old ( reached 170kilos mind you) then i started a low carb diet and lost 90 kilos in one year. I started going to the gym as well since i wasn't able at the past doing mostly cardio.
Unlike many people here i wasn't healthy prior to taking propecia, since i was diagnosed with crohn's disease at 24. [ Long story short, crohn's disease is an autoimmune chronic Inflammatory Bowel Disease (IBD) that in my situation has attacked 38cm of my lower intestine. It comes and goes however you have symptoms in your every day life such as low energy, lethargy, stomach aches and the list goes on]
I spent ± 3 months in the hospital in order to get the correct "treatment" however upon leaving the hotel i denied the prescription of immunosuppressive drugs, i kept my low carb diet on spot and i've been mostly OK.
So at 26, after seeing my masters graduation photos i noticed severe defuse in the back (crown) and generally on top of my head that got worse. doctor gave Minoxidil and i was off.
However after a few months it got worse so i paid a visit to the doc and i was prescribed with one prescription for Propecia.
Took 1mg every day for 26 days until it hit me, numb genitals i couldn't complete intercourse with girlfriend so i immediately dropped it.
However symptoms not only kept but got worse, i am now numb in every body part, i can't feel touch, pain, i don't get goosebumps anymore, i can't even get the regular "numb" feeling after sitting with your legs crossed. Completely nothing. I can check my pulse from my fitbit since i can't feel any heartbeat at ALL! It goes without saying that absolutely zero sexual function and emotionally blunt. I just can't feel aroused anymore.
I got off propecia on 10 of July 2017 however the symptoms are persistent. In the meanwhile whilst off propecia i got severely bloated and gained weight on the abdomen even though my low carb diet is on spot.
After reading and reading online regarding it i came close to the "cdnuts protocol" and i found the forum. I have been reading this subforum close to two months prior to starting and posting.
This is how i reached the forum and that is my story so far, congratulations on the guys that took the time to post the success stories it means A LOT!
I am currently at 14th day of my water fasting and even though i have done water fasts in the past due to Crohn's disease however upon fasting i got symptoms unlike every fast in the past. [Inflated gyms, rushes on skin, dry mouth ALL the time, pulse(based on fitbit) way up in the morning and in the night as well] It's shocking the amount of damage this drug does to you.
Thanks!
2010 - 2013
- Paroxetine
2014 - 2017
- LSD
- Steroids
Testosterone
Drostanolone
Mesterolone
hCG
Exemestane
Tamoxifen
- Ayahuasca
Numerous official and off-label diets, supplements and therapies
Numerous blood tests and doctor's visits'
PFS, PSSD, & Accutane community found 4 months ago - by pure accident.
Never seen such good description of my sexual condition.
Since then:
- Curcumin (standardized to 95% curcuminoids)
14 days [D] - 1400mg every day [ED]
Nothing life changing- Saint John's Wort
30 D - 450 mg every other day [EOD]
Better mood; no impact on sexuality- water fast
7 D
Better mood & skin; emotional opening; no impact on sexuality
I'm hoping for best but one thing I've learned during these years is to keep going in other life's dimensions - no matter health issues.
Any comments would be highly appreciated
Good luck, comrades
Hello fellow future recoverers and recoverers as well!
I don't want to bore you with my propecia story as each one of us has been there, but i'd like to provide some info on my case, been on propecia for 3 months then got the usual side effects ( you know them, loss of libido, complete numbness, loss of feeling, depression, the list goes on) stopped cold turkey and never looked back.
On those self loathing moments browsing for a solution i came accross CDnuts protocol in a different forum and i jumped on it blindly since August. It was the only protocol that made sense to me at that moment and still does.
My progress so far:
Starter August 2017 14 days water fast, 16 days juice feasting
Jumped on daily supplements, sleep supplements, Paleo and 19 of the 21 herbs ( Lost Empire Herbs do not sell Maral Root anymore and i am also unable to buy catuaba bark from Terravita as reccomended)
Not a gym buff so doing exactly the exercises cd mentions 4 days a week + 1 day HIIT
September to November did the herb rotation protocol
December my first run with Super R andro (30 days on 500MG)
Now i'm back on the herbs.
Can't wait for my second PH run.
I can say that i have been nearly 6 months on it and i've been reading you guys since the end of July and i feel i know you more or less and even though i didn't post, you guys have helped me tremendously! 6 months in i believe i have a solid understanding of the protocol and i feel i am able to post my thoughts and opinions and some questions as well! Glad to finally be here guys!
What's up fellas.
I'm joining this site for obvious reasons, the others ones suck and are depressing. No one will recover with that mindset. Lurked here for a bit, noticed the positive vibes, thus here is where I'll set my roots.
I took propecia for a year and a couple months. After quitting, I was good in 30 days, but then crashed again. Its been about 7 months. I had gained weight, had lethargic attitude, and didn't feel like a man.
My girl and I broke it off recently, and I have begun my recovery in earnest. Herbs, working out, eating better, etc.
As it stands to date, erections are at say, 65-70%, while libido is slightly higher. But we all know libido ain't worth a damn if you can't perform, so something has to be done.
I currently cycle 3G Glycine, 1.5G Tribulus, and 150mg Niacin every day for 5 days, then cycle off two.
Currently in college so money is tight, and the warm spell with winter lately here has crushed what income I rely on for the winter, but I'll okay. Once I am comfortable financially, I will proceed to the pro-hormone cycle that's recommended.
Working on gains in the process.
Hey All,
I'll try to keep it short. I have taken Propecia 1 MG for 24 days, quite due to side effects, was not warned by the doctor or anyone of PFS. I'm 10 weeks off Propecia, two week ago, I was able to have normal intercourse, but over the last week my erections have slowly come soft, with lower libido. I have been having better, and worse days over the course of 10 weeks. Somedays I have brain fog, others not. I have done massive amounts of research, and found the only thing that has a possible chance of working but very hard is the CDnuts protocol. I have not found the exact protocol anywhere, can someone lead me to what the protocol consist of?
It's all laid out on totalmaleoptimization.com. Advice at this point is to just get to it and don't spend time worrying about it. Odds are very high you'll be fine quickly (likely better than you were before with the lifestyle changes)...worrying about it only serves to significantly reduce those odds.Quote:
Originally Posted by mike26
Welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by mike26
I've pm'ed you the info you need.
Also, do yourself a favor and read the "stickies" section in this section of the forum.
Any questions, start a thread in the PFS section
Wassup everone