PN Pro Gear - a pretty rough ride

I decided against my better judgment to give this methylsten/DMZ blend a try. Let me just tell you, it's by far the strongest DS to ever hit my system. I absolutely cannot handle this stuff at two capsules per day. It's such an overstimulated feeling that it triggers anxiety. Funny thing is, I don't have anxiety.

And the headaches, yeah, fairly severe. I've dialed it back to one capsule per day and I'm tolerating it, but it's still pretty strong stuff at the 10mg/10mg dose of one capsule.

For those curious, I'm running 500 IUs of hCG per week and using Aegis for liver protection. As harsh as a dual dimethyl compound is, even at four weeks, anything to minimize testicular shutdown is a good thing. I'm stacking with 4ad/1-andro and Dermacrine. The total cycle length is eight weeks, with Pro Gear only in weeks 1-4.

I've been on the Pro Gear for six days now. Workouts have been kind of "meh" as my body is adjusting to the compounds.

The upside is that my libido is in full swing. The downside is the headaches, overstimulation, anxiousness, and spacy feeling. We'll see how it treats me over the long haul. I've read good things about this DS, but I'm just not sure it's for me. Time will tell

Interested to hear how it works for you. I have some stocked for sometime down the road.

Many of your symptoms remind me of my run with beastdrol.

yeah, I couldn't even imagine running 20mg of M-Sten + DMZ. that's why I like the Sten-Zine we have...5mg M-Sten + 10mg of DMZ...IMO, a better ratio.

time for some test already...

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Originally Posted by SoCal-Nutrition

that's why I like the Sten-Zine we have...5mg M-Sten + 10mg of DMZ...IMO, a better ratio.

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That does sound like a way better ratio.

Hey FreePress, thanx so much for the update...sorry to hear you are having some annoying sides, it certainly can happen.

Have you considered sticking with 1tab per day the whole time?? I have had a few people who do that for the entire 30 day cycle or 45 days because they have lethargy with 2.

I have experimented with and without the DMZ portion. I think the DMZ is the culprit with the sides, because I have run pure msten at high dosages and people report low or no side effects..then I have run people at low dosages of DMZ and they get headaches and fatigue. But yeah 20mgs per day of each is a solid dosage..if you can tolerate it the gains are substantial.

Right now I am doing 1omgs of MSten by IML mixed with 25mgs of Liquid Phera by Cyber preworkout mixed with a scoop of Angel Dust by BL. Not only do I have zero sides, I feel phenomenal and strong :)

Hope to hear that your body adjusts. For the most part, I'd say if I had to give an honest estimate, 9/10 people can tolerate the full dosage of ProGear. 1/10 not only cannot tolerate 10mgs, they can't tolerate it at all..

Would love to hear your results a week or two from now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I stepped on the scale this morning and weight is up four pounds in about just under a week's time. I'm sure that's mostly a glycogen load, but still, that's not bad. I think for now I'm going to stick with one tab per day. Like I said, I can tolerate it, but I still notice some sides. Thank you to everyone for your input. Feedback and communication is always appreciated.

I'm inclined to agree with SoCal on the 20mg methylsten dosage being too much. I was getting sides at 16 the last time I ran Ultradrol. I was good up to 12mg.

You know, if guys like you and I were 6'2" and 240, we might be able to handle the higher dosage. But the fact is, we are smaller framed and have less mass to circulate that amount of chemicals around our system. I think you are smart to stick to the 1 daily dosage based on its effects, even though a half dose twice daily would be better because of msten's short half life. Hard to do that with capsules, though.

could always grab a bottle of msten and add 4 or 8 mg on top!

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can't believe i'm encouraging additional designer methyls lol

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could always grab a bottle of msten and add 4 or 8 mg on top!

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can't believe i'm encouraging additional designer methyls lol

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Sounds like it's already beating him up a bit... what are you trying to do to the guy?!? haha

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Sounds like it's already beating him up a bit... what are you trying to do to the guy?!? haha

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Think he's trying to put FPR on the donor list.

Finally tonight I'm feeling acceptable. I had a helluva chest and back workout, complete with some killer farmer's walks at the end and sustained holds. I definitely can't tolerate two of these capsules a day. One's more than adequate.

My muscles are feeling nice and full and pumps were quite generous.

I am, however, feeling a bit of the hypoglycemia that I felt the last time I ran methylsten. Of course I'm wondering if it isn't related to the chromium picolinate in the Aegis running my blood sugar into the toilet. This is by far not smooth sailing, but it's smoothER sailing.

I'm gaining and I feel strong. Hopefully when I stop the Pro Gear at week four and continue another four weeks with the 1-andro and 4ad that I keep most of the gains. I'd have much rather just gone the route of test and said forget it, but being a law enforcement officer, I can't risk the legalities that go along with it. So my testosterone base is coming from Dermacrine, 1DHEA and 4DHEA.

Just get TRT script... At the end of your cycle you'll test low haha. Stockpile that shit it's $12 per vial without insurance haha

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Also hella cops are roided. No one gets caught I feel like.

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Just get TRT script... At the end of your cycle you'll test low haha. Stockpile that shit it's $12 per vial without insurance haha

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Also hella cops are roided. No one gets caught I feel like.

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12 bucks a vial.....
I think I want on trt. Lol

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Stockpile that shit it's $12 per vial without insurance haha

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What? 1ml vials not 10ml ??...

I may need to visit your doc depending on your answer...

That must be WITH insurance. I pay $120 for a bottle of Watson test Cyp for my HRT. Years ago I used to get my T.Cyp from Mav for $15 a bottle before he got busted.

I have a script for Cialis. Without Insurance, 20mg pills are 20 dollars each so a 30 day supply is $600.


HCG via the pharmacy is around $300 for a 5K kit and I shit you not I am not exaggerating. Funny bc a "sponsor" we know has it for $15..identical quality.

Shows you how much these scumbags are rape, robbing and beating the American people.

Hmmm... I pay $10 with insurance, but $60 for the first one of the year. Either way, it's cheap. Of course TRT is only at normal physiological levels, guys, so don't get too excited about it. Gotta bump it up to about 3-6x that amount for a substantial anabolic effect.

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Hmmm... I pay $10 with insurance, but $60 for the first one of the year. Either way, it's cheap. Of course TRT is only at normal physiological levels, guys, so don't get too excited about it. Gotta bump it up to about 3-6x that amount for a substantial anabolic effect.

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Not a bad deal at all Burly. And I agree with you dosage wise...Years ago they wanted me on 50mgs E2 weeks LOL!!! Pathetic. I now have the Metabolic Doctor and he has me on 100mgs E4 days and I feel alot healthier then when I was deficient. I actually test out around 750 nano's at that dosage bc i am a low responder. Even when I abused AAS, I could do 2grams of test and gain only 10lbs..meanwhile my friends could do 750mgs and gain 30lbs LOL..

I don't have health insurance..only my daughter, thats all I can afford. I wonder if ObamaCare will cover HRT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Not a bad deal at all Burly. And I agree with you dosage wise...Years ago they wanted me on 50mgs E2 weeks LOL!!! Pathetic. I now have the Metabolic Doctor and he has me on 100mgs E4 days and I feel alot healthier then when I was deficient. I actually test out around 750 nano's at that dosage bc i am a low responder. Even when I abused AAS, I could do 2grams of test and gain only 10lbs..meanwhile my friends could do 750mgs and gain 30lbs LOL..

I don't have health insurance..only my daughter, thats all I can afford. I wonder if ObamaCare will cover HRT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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O-care is supposed to cover "pre-existing conditions", so it sounds like it would cover HRT/TRT. However... to GET O-care, you are going to either have to be poverty income to get it free or start making some more money to afford it.

Just asked my dad. It's $14 per 10 ml of 200mg/ml with a pharmacy discount program but no actual insurance.

Most people have insurance and I'd assume law enforcement does especially, my dad runs his own business and it would cost him $600 a month to upgrade to having RX insurance so not worth it when the coupon program works well for generics like test.

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Just asked my dad. It's $14 per 10 ml of 200mg/ml with a pharmacy discount program but no actual insurance.

Most people have insurance and I'd assume law enforcement does especially, my dad runs his own business and it would cost him $600 a month to upgrade to having RX insurance so not worth it when the coupon program works well for generics like test.

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Damn good for him. $12 for 2000mg pharma grade seems like a steal. I know you probably can't go crazy dosage wise but that is still crazy cheap.

Thread quickly turned into testosterone thread, lol.

I am curious how you feel going forward. I have come to feel I am fairly resilient to sides. I can tolerate fairly good doses of most compounds with no dramatic or intolerable sides. Generally even bloodwork is not that scary (T-levels early in PCT being a different story). I do sometimes feel a bit rocky on the come up, however. I always found this to be less that stable hormone levels while building up the compound in your system. Wonder if something similar was at play. However, as many suggest here, sides are individual, some seem to get wacked with them.

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Thread quickly turned into testosterone thread, lol.

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Odd... usually on this forum, things turn to tren. Lol

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Odd... usually on this forum, things turn to tren. Lol

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Yep, and that is why we love it here haha.

I decided to try this today, and I'm curious about the time this stuff takes to come on.

Here's the background. We have a massive construction project going on across the street. It started three years ago with ground preparation, which involved drilling and hammering out an area of granite about 50x30 yards and 30 feet deep. You can imagine. For the past two years they have been pouring concrete and building the superstructure. It's an enormous house, being built for the principal shareholder/chairman of Korean Airlines/Hanjin Shipping, and is easily 18000 sq feet on several levels, not including the basement, into which you could drive and park a couple of tractor-trailers, as well as a fleet of other cars. They finally started on the exterior finishes this week, and I imagine they are doing some interior work too. Nearly every day for the past 2 years we have had construction vehicles - dump trucks, cranes, workmen's cars and trucks, you name it - blocking our street, including not only my driveway but our front gate. I've been putting up with this crap because although the owner is a world class asshole, the workers are nice guys, just trying to do a job and the construction co. periodically gives us small but significant tokens of appreciation for our patience, e.g., a 1000 dollars worth of prime grade meat.

The past few weeks, though, it has gotten much worse, any my patience has been running thin - especially when they don't want to interrupt their work to move so I can move my car.

So today, I take my first dose of Pro Gear with a late lunch around 3:00. At 4:30 I'm trying to leave the house and there's a construction crane blocking me in. I ask the guy on the crane to move. He's not doing anything, not hooked up to anything, and just sitting in the operator's chair. But all he does is grin at me and signal that I should wait. I tell him I don;t have time. He shrugs. I wait a minute or so, while he continues to do nothing, then blow the horn. He looks on in amusement. I yell at him very loudly and vulgarly to move. He ignores me.

Whereupon I go back into the yard, and get my hatchet. As part of the construction they just planted a row of about a dozen mature ginkgo trees along the front of the property. I start chopping one down, after all the workmen have fled, thinking I might come for one of them. After I'm about halfway through the trunck, a supervisor shows up and gets the operator to move the crane.

As I drive away, my adrenaline is sky high, I'm flushed and hot (physically as well as emotionally).

Wondering how much of this is attributable to the ProGear, and how much to my very slow to boil but very explosive temper when I hit the melting point. I tend to think the former, since I'm generally very good at controlling my temper these days (unless there is a physical threat to me or mine), and nothing like this has happened in years.

That's a crazy story but I highly doubt you lost your temper due to the 1 dose of pro gear, and it was just the build up of little things happening over the past 2-3yrs.

You may be right, and maybe I'm just still cruising on the anger/adrenalin, but i'm the gym now and aggression is way up and I'm just KILLING the iron (and probably my muscles 😧)


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How long of a time between you taking your dose and chopping the tree down was there?

Couple hours - but i usually react VERY quickly to stuff - you don't want to standing with your back to me if i take a vitamin V 😎. I also took 2 caps - I'm big and so start big and back off if i need to


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I'm not all that experienced but 1 dose with a meal and you losing your cool a couple hours later seems like it wouldn't be the pro gear, but who knows.

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That must be WITH insurance. I pay $120 for a bottle of Watson test Cyp for my HRT. Years ago I used to get my T.Cyp from Mav for $15 a bottle before he got busted.

I have a script for Cialis. Without Insurance, 20mg pills are 20 dollars each so a 30 day supply is $600.


HCG via the pharmacy is around $300 for a 5K kit and I shit you not I am not exaggerating. Funny bc a "sponsor" we know has it for $15..identical quality.

Shows you how much these scumbags are rape, robbing and beating the American people.

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That's why overseas pharmacies have become so popular. Hell, I got my Corion hCG for $18 a 5,000 IU vial. Now that I see Evolved has it, I'll be going that route to save on shipping. But a lot of overseas pharmacies also have Cialis, a helluva lot cheaper than what you can get it here in the states for. It's not quite as cheap as research grade tadalafil, but it's certainly affordable. There's no way in hell I'd ever pay US pharmaceutical price for Cialis.

On a different note, I got my replacement Dermacrine from BPS yesterday. Sure enough, that first batch was burned to hell. This batch was much cleaner, much more transparent and had ZERO sticky feeling after application. It dried quickly.

I've been doing one scrotal pump and one pump to the upper trunk, and let me tell you, that scrotal pump today gave me the warmest feeling of vasodilation I've ever experienced in that region. Whew!

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O-care is supposed to cover "pre-existing conditions", so it sounds like it would cover HRT/TRT. However... to GET O-care, you are going to either have to be poverty income to get it free or start making some more money to afford it.

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Hopefully you fit into one of these categories because with the individual mandate of O-care you will be fined if you don't have health insurance.

Livzon hcg from evolved is so much better than corion that I wonder if corion even has hcg in it. The powder looks very different.

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Livzon hcg from evolved is so much better than corion that I wonder if corion even has hcg in it. The powder looks very different.

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Now if Evolved would just get b12 in stock so I could place my order and get to researching.