I am sure some of you have been following the hype. Thanks to Big--Rob, we will be having this product tested. It is in route to Patrick Arnold. I will have the results posted when they are available.
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I am sure some of you have been following the hype. Thanks to Big--Rob, we will be having this product tested. It is in route to Patrick Arnold. I will have the results posted when they are available.
sweet forum, HTS!! thank you!
mayhaps aware on the nature of said product??
oh yah.. google
Subbed
subbed here an phf lol!
subbed as well. wondering what will come of the testing
Hoping it is legit. In.
Reading up on this. What would be the supposed shutdown from PTren? I know its to early to know much, but hypothetically.
Extreme, according to Patrick Arnold, if it is in fact the compound he thinks it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grape Ape
However, if it is, than the results are strange because studies don't show the same anabolic effects.
What's the reported benefit of this over straight trenbolone?
I am going to have a "supposedly" disclaimer:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rodja
It is supposed to very strong at relatively small oral doses (~2mg). One affiliated, but apparently fairly well reputed member of another board claimed in excess of 20lbs with a significant body fat reduction.
I raise a serious eyebrow to anything being that effective at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by h2s
sounds bogus results wise
or
its relabeled oral tren
****never heard of it, whos carrying it?
Also known as "who's getting raided next?"Quote:
Originally Posted by DJM
Never heard of this either and now you guys got me curious. Are people reporting the same tren sides? Liver issues/irritability/insomnia etc?
No doubt, that was my disclaimer and interest in testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rodja
Can't mention it. Although unscheduled, it is being sold by a large AAS source. We should know in next couple days what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJM
Foreign source.Quote:
Originally Posted by burlyman30
Apparently gyno is rapid beyond the small dosing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Mardigan
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Originally Posted by Rodja
It does sound a lot like methyl trienolone. Tons of strength + size gains, while reducing bodyfat.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJM
12.5mg E3D of aromasin kept gyno at bay with methyl tren.Quote:
Originally Posted by h2s
Thats actually suprising, as that is a realitively low dose of aromasin.Quote:
Originally Posted by BBG
Though it worked for BBG, I wouldn't expect that to work for everyone. At that dose, it's pretty much like not taking any. Tren is so fickle, though, how it hits some and not others and how it can not hit you one time, but hit you another.Quote:
Originally Posted by h2s
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Originally Posted by burlyman30
Agreed. It wasn't research chem aromasin, it was pharm grade. Maybe that played a part. But methyl trienolone is just in a class of its own.Quote:
Originally Posted by h2s
Even given that I would still call it rather low and recommend most start higher if it is their first time with something that can cause a rapid gyno issue. Although, I wouldn't recommend m-tren for that person anyway, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by BBG
x2 on all this, especially bolded.Quote:
Originally Posted by h2s
can you elaborate how you ran the oral tren......i had some and sold it as i bought into the hysteria of how bad it is, but i know mg for mg its potent, but 1mg ed is enough vs 30mg of sdQuote:
Originally Posted by BBG
id guess antaeus had your back supports wise, if so howd you fair?
My lifts increased like crazy over 3-4 weeks. Weight shot up without really worrying about what I ate, I just ate a lot. Basically no fat gain.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJM
I could tell you how reckless I was on it and how I survived without taking any ancillaries at all, but no one wants to hear about that. Because it would debunk how dangerous methyltren is. I was taking no more than 1mg a day.
I actually have heard both ways. I have seen numerous reports now of guys saying low dose for short period was very smooth. I have also (this was on a board, do we could probably find it again), had seen someone mention jaundice-like reaction after 3 weeks. No idea what dose was.Quote:
Originally Posted by BBG
iv run var twice and once stacked with tbol recently, no liver aids except alot of water, good diet and no alcohol, all was AokQuote:
Originally Posted by BBG
i wouldnt chance it with mtren, but i know what you are talking bout......iv really come to the point where most, not all, most supports are absolutely worthless and it was the ph boom that led to the marketing of support supps without ever real backing behind besides 'i used it it worked you should too' type stuff
What is the compound he thinks it is?Quote:
Originally Posted by h2s
- Valdez
Sounds too good to be true, but i hope it's legit.
Reminds me of the M-trn days...Quote:
Originally Posted by h2s
AllyltrenboloneQuote:
Originally Posted by AresTS
Thanks dude
- Valdez
P. Arnold received the sample and will be testing. Will let you guys know when I have an update.
Cant wait for results!Quote:
Originally Posted by h2s
interested, very!
It is....
Exactly what Pat thought it was, Altrenogest.
Please do not share this information yet. I am having Henryv announce it at prohormoneforum as he has an article being published to his blog on the subect.
For those of us in the dark age still, what is this pTren?
Some compound where you can buy a shit ton of it for very little money, supposed to act like methyl tren but without the sides and liver damage. You'll grow long golden locks and a hammer will fall from the heavens for you to smash your enemies with and you'll be 6'8" and did I mention being endowed with a horses cock?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobalt
Messages from Pat:
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Allyltrenbolone is more commonly known as altrenogest. In pigs it was very suppressive and not very anabolic
J Anim Sci. 1985 Dec;61(6):1441-7.
Body growth and testicular characteristics of boars fed a synthetic progestogen, altrenogest.
Kluber EF 3rd, Pollmann DS, Davis DL, Stevenson JS.
Abstract
A synthetic progestogen (altrenogest) was fed to 24 Yorkshire X Duroc boars to determine effects on body growth, serum testosterone, and testicular characteristics. Boars from six litters (blocks) were allotted randomly to one of four treatment groups at 12 wk of age. Treatment groups were: controls, altrenogest fed for 3 wk, altrenogest fed for 6 wk and altrenogest fed for 9 wk. Treatment began at 15 wk of age at a daily dose of 20 mg X boar-1. Although there were no differences among treatment groups for gain and feed intake, boars fed altrenogest for 6 and 9 wk tended to consume more feed and were less (P less than .05) efficient than boars fed altrenogest for 3 wk or controls. Boars fed altrenogest for 3, 6 and 9 wk maintained lower (P less than .05) peripheral serum testosterone concentrations than controls from 15 to 24 wk of age. However, serum testosterone increased after altrenogest withdrawal in the 3- and 6-wk treatment groups but did not reach control concentrations by 24 wk. Boars fed altrenogest for 9 wk maintained serum testosterone below 1 ng/ml during the treatment period. Despite lower concentrations of serum testosterone in altrenogest-treated boars, backfat thickness was similar to controls, perhaps suggesting a slight anabolic effect of altrenogest on nutrient partitioning. Testicular weights and volumes at 24 wk decreased (P less than .001) linearly with increased duration of altrenogest feeding. Serum testosterone and estradiol in testicular venous effluent at castration were lower (P less than .01) in altrenogest-treated boars than in controls. These data demonstrate that feeding altrenogest inhibits both testicular growth and steroidogenesis of boars without altering body growth or backfat thickness.
From henry v:Quote:
the animal stuff is not very promising
Vet J. 2005 Jan;169(1):113-5.
Effect of prolonged use of altrenogest on behaviour in mares.
Hodgson D, Howe S, Jeffcott L, Reid S, Mellor D, Higgins A.
Source
Faculty of Veterinary Science, University of Sydney, Private Mailbag 4, Narellan Delivery Centre, Narellan, NSW 2567, Australia.
Erratum in
Vet J. 2005 May;169(3):321.
Corrected and republished in
Vet J. 2005 May;169(3):322-5.
Abstract
Oral administration of altrenogest for oestrus suppression in competition horses is believed to be widespread in some equestrian disciplines, and can be administered continuously for several months during a competition season. To examine whether altrenogest has any anabolic or other potential performance enhancing properties that may give a horse an unfair advantage, we examined the effect of oral altrenogest (0.044 mg/kg), given daily for a period of eight weeks, on social hierarchy, activity budget, body-mass and body condition score of 12 sedentary mares. We concluded that prolonged oral administration of altrenogest at recommended dose rates to sedentary mares resulted in no effect on dominance hierarchies, body mass or condition score.
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The allyl substituent is just too big and bulky, it'll interfere with androgen receptor binding. Roussel Uclaf did a bunch of tests on the affinity of loads of different steroids for AR/PR/ER, and all of the ones with larger substituents at 17a had awful AR binding. Other studies say the same thing, as do the studies on animals given it.
If it is effective, which it appears to be, then I think it isn't what they say/think it is.
Well I have 100mg of it...tempted to just see what it does for a couple weeks. I am not worried about suppression as I have a fairly serious cycle coming up anyway.
Fucking hell, must spread reps before giving to BBG again....Quote:
Originally Posted by BBG