Starting next week, my second pro hormone cycle will begin, this time with super r andro from IML.
Stay tuned...
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Starting next week, my second pro hormone cycle will begin, this time with super r andro from IML.
Stay tuned...
Can anyone recommend a good PCT for this run? I would like to try the RES 100. The Sustain Alpha is no longer in stock it looks like.
Don’t even bother, just cycle the herbs after and you’ll be fine
I need a SERM like substance. The herbs aren't going to cut it. They didn't last time. The RES 100 should do nicely. Too bad Sustain Alpha by BPS is no longer made.
I'm not trying to be an ass here, but the LAST thing you need right now is a SERM. Or anything like it.
If you're hell bent on going against the grain and not using the individual herbs, I would elect for an all-in-one natural PCT like K1ngs Blood by OL or Ultra Male by IML.
Be careful with Res. I killed my E on it a few times and it made me pretty miserable.
Yes, what Maxout is saying is true.
I had the same experience. I wouldn't touch E at all, I used 0.25 mg arimidex 2 times and made me crap for months.
Don't think about it and use herbs.
You just don't get it bro.
I didn't realize you've been rotating herbs for a year or so to make that determination.
You make your judgments based on the fact that you take an herb a couple of times and if you don't get an immediate reaction from it you automatically Bin it. You're doing exactly the opposite of what is recommended.
The fact that you're even considering running a serm just goes to show that.
Protocol Works only if you work it.
I really think going forward, for most guys, they don't have ground to stand on making statements about what does or doesn't work unless they've been running the regimen 100% for six months or so. Any judgments made before this time mean NOTHING.
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I have been rotating herbs since I stopped the first pro hormone cycle. When I used RES100 following a short 1 week pro hormone cycle a few years back it really brought back erectile strength and sensitivity in a way the herbs failed to do. I haven't binned any herbs. You seem to forget that all of your PCTs were with Sustain Alpha, Toco 8, and aspartic acid during your recovery. I think I will go with King's Blood for PCT and then start cycling herbs afterwards. Thanks for the recommendation Maxout 777.
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DAY 1
Super R Andro by IML Dose 400mgs
Exactly Snell.
Also trying to keep budget in mind, as we all know this is not a cheap endevour, especially if you're going to proper fasting clinics and doing organic juice feasts. The separate PCT just isn't necessary with the compounds recommended seeing as the herb rotation is in fact, a lifelong PCT that you can do indefinitely.
That being said, Res, Sustain, etc, can be used if someone wanted to use them. I've found that they work a little too well and swing the estrogen pendulum in the other direction a bit too much. It really depends on the person. In the very beginning I found them very helpful. As I healed, they became more of a hindrance.
Ultimately, if you're doing everything correctly, they really aren't necessary. Crushing your estrogen is not a fun experience and just piles one more thing on top of the pile you're trying to dig away. Especially when it comes to running them after you just ran a compound that reduces your estrogen as it is.
Personally, after a DHT run, I could tell that my estrogen was on the low side, as it should have been. The last thing you want to do is suppress it more.
For PCT, herbs over Res 100 very time, and I have access to both.
In fact, started PCT today after 8 weeks (400 mg/day) R Andro run with pine pollen and some goji berry (which is new to my rotation so wanted to try it out).
The suppression from DHT pro hormones is so mild you wouldn't want a sledgehammer PCT IMO... will do more harm than good more often than not.
Thanks for the input fellas. I might run the PCT for only a week and then switch to herbs for the remaining portion of the PCT.
DAY 2 UPDATE: still on 400 mgs. No headaches. Woke up groggy. Feeling a bit suppressed. This stuff kicks in after a couple of weeks right?
do you guys have improved sleep from andro?
So epiandro is for sure the one that causes lethargy? With the androhard my strength improved within days. I'm hoping the super r andro will have the same effect.
Anyone try Alpha Gainz stuff? I may switch between the IML super r andro and Androhard topical every few days while on cycle.
Last night had raging nocturnals. Had two espressos that day and 400 mg andro.
Don't run Andro Hard with this run. Keep it clean. You've already experienced epi andro not agreeing with you. Why would you add it in again?
This is his first r andro run...he ran androhard first. Pay attention
I was watching youtube videos on r-andro and one guy said that it's like 30% more effective on an empty stomach.
So maybe try it before breakfast and before bed? (That's what I'm thinking of doing)
Steel Supplements 1-Andro Benefits Breakdown - YouTube
was think of adding 4 andro on one run. gunna keep my first one just r-andro though.
cuz when i got my bloods my dht was high and free test low... weird shit.
I always suggest running the DHT compounds first before adding in the other hormones... it helps to get a feel for how they're going to affect you which will help you then determine what you're getting from each compound.
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I didnt, nor do I still, eat breakfast during my recovery. So I always took them on an empty stomach. So I really have no other option to compare to.
UPDATE: DAY 3
At 400mgs per day now for 2 days. This is a potent sleep aid. I know it affects GABA receptors. It knocked me out today for hours. I just woke up now after deciding to take a nap in the morning. I'm going to have to either dial it down some or take epi andro or do some kind of mix like with androhard. If it turns out that this androsterone is the stuff that is making me lethargic I might make it a 25 to 75 percent split with epiandro. Gym sessions have had a noticeable decrease in energy and strength as soon as starting this stuff.
Yeah that’s one side effect I failed to mention from it too, it had a sedative effect on me
Does it go away with continued usage or do you have to dial down dosage?
From my experience it comes and goes. Some days on cycle I wanna just do all the yard work I can and do as much activities as I can during the day, and others, after the gym I just wanted to lay around and not do much. So I think it's more of that type of pattern as opposed to showing up early on and fading with continued use.
I reduced it by drinking more coffee, loads of fruit and stuff. Been of it 2 days now and its gone but I just put up with it. I just had to force myself abit more to do things. I kept thinking fuck it its doing me some good lol but i do feel better of it. There were a cpl of days though where I felt wiped out. I kept thinking once im off cycle the test boosters will work even better 💪
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This whole regimen though will work differently with everybody tho and ultimately get everything back one way or another haha.
Well, I have a job where I need to be alert and thinking. I can't have this kind of lethargy. I'm going to mix it up with epi in the hopes that it helps reduce this side effect, if not I will have to dial it down to about half the dosage per day.
Ordered epi from IML just earlier. Tonight, going to use Androhard topical gel.
Progress Report:
My semen looked absolutely like it did pre PFS (thickness, color, consistency). Volume still low. Refractory period decreasing. Happy with progress so far.
Epi is going to make it worse. It killed me from a lethargy standpoint, made me super irritable and just felt rode hard and put up wet.