Ultrahard Cycle

Hi, I am currently doing my first ultrahard cycle (2nd PH cycle, previously I used Super R Andro).. Planning to get at least 4 week on this cycle.

Should I pair this with 4 andro? Or UltraHard alone is good enough?
I'm aware that PH might surpress natural T production and its very recommended to do PCT after cycles..

What does PCT mean in the protocol? Is it just continuing regular herb rotations or do I need to get additional supplements?

Currently I'm doing so great down there, the best I've been during PFS, but still not 100% like pre-PFS and I want to boost my recovery by doing the cycle..


Would appreciate any thoughts and comments, thank you!

Hey man,

Before crashing due to a supplement, my 2nd cycle was Ultrahard stacked with Alpha4 (which to my understanding gives 4-DHEA like 4Andro), and I loved it. I'd recommend it. It will also mitigate the estrogen loss due to Ultrahard. I was doing 4 pumps of each.

Yes, PCT is simply hopping back on the herbs. CD used to recommend a PCT but realized that PH are rather mild so herbs do the job just fine

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Originally Posted by Mistyballoon

Hi, I am currently doing my first ultrahard cycle (2nd PH cycle, previously I used Super R Andro).. Planning to get at least 4 week on this cycle.

Should I pair this with 4 andro? Or UltraHard alone is good enough?
I'm aware that PH might surpress natural T production and its very recommended to do PCT after cycles..

What does PCT mean in the protocol? Is it just continuing regular herb rotations or do I need to get additional supplements?

Currently I'm doing so great down there, the best I've been during PFS, but still not 100% like pre-PFS and I want to boost my recovery by doing the cycle..


Would appreciate any thoughts and comments, thank you!

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Yes....you go by "feel" when using a stack. Sometimes, depending on the person, it's not a good fit. For others, like myself, I love it, but I only use 2-3 pumps of the four every other day or so while constantly running the UH. You'll learn to "feel it out"

and the PCT is jumping back on the protocol. If you wanted to use a PCT, before I came up with the protocol I would run Sustain Alpha, Toco 8 and Endoamp max......do that for a month and then jump back on the herbs. It'll give you an extra kick, that's for sure. I had to stop running the sustain because it was TOO good at crushing estrogen.

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I’m running the UH I think its called at just 1 pump 2x per day on my tidies and back to try and mitigate any methyl estro conversion. I can’t speak to what efficacy it is having and addition to wellbeing I am getting, but I can say that overall I feel great and I imagine the UH is adding to it.

THIS is the stuff I come here for, when we can discuss androgens in a way that meaningful to my experience and I can add to. CANT help with the PFS stuff.

Idk how PFS would or wouldn’t be affected by this, but if you want to skip a step in the conversion. You can get 4-diol online fairly easily. Though technically you are breaking the law. If you want to stay on the good side, I’d recommend stickIng with the 4-Andro. Ill have to check but I think the board sponsor has one available.

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Originally Posted by tallstraw

I’m running the UH I think its called at just 1 pump 2x per day on my tidies and back to try and mitigate any methyl estro conversion. I can’t speak to what efficacy it is having and addition to wellbeing I am getting, but I can say that overall I feel great and I imagine the UH is adding to it.

THIS is the stuff I come here for, when we can discuss androgens in a way that meaningful to my experience and I can add to. CANT help with the PFS stuff.

Idk how PFS would or wouldn’t be affected by this, but if you want to skip a step in the conversion. You can get 4-diol online fairly easily. Though technically you are breaking the law. If you want to stay on the good side, I’d recommend stickIng with the 4-Andro. Ill have to check but I think the board sponsor has one available.

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Seeing as the board sponsor is also the owner.....Rob. He's usually easily accessible. I'm all down for the androgen talk.....it'll be helpful to these guys the further along they get and any input from someone who knows what their doing is always welcome.

I'm not gonna lie....I'm fascinated with your work. You should blog it. You're running it nice and low too.....good...that's what i do.
I NEVER use the recommended dosage because I don't need to.

Yeah I’m. Mostly using it to hopefully drop a bit of water retention, and a non invasive estrogen mitigation. Rather than trying to get a dose of Asin right and its just more hassle than its worth. But while on MENT and halo, ill say water retention is down. Nips are perfect, wellbeing is great, and joints are good. So i think all in all it has been a helpful addition.

4-Andro can give some lethargy to some people. So i think it’ll also help balance some of that out for you, Misty. I know when i ran it when i was like 21 i did Primordial Performance AH and AM, and i had some lethargy. The AH certainly helped with the 1, and 4 Andro lethargy once i added it.

I wouldn’t even know where to start on a blog, but I have heard this more than a few times from people. I think most of the fun stuff is over though since Afghanistan is over. So it’ll just be stuff i tell my grandkids to let them know grandpa was in fact, cool. Lol

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Yeah I’m. Mostly using it to hopefully drop a bit of water retention, and a non invasive estrogen mitigation. Rather than trying to get a dose of Asin right and its just more hassle than its worth. But while on MENT and halo, ill say water retention is down. Nips are perfect, wellbeing is great, and joints are good. So i think all in all it has been a helpful addition.

4-Andro can give some lethargy to some people. So i think it’ll also help balance some of that out for you, Misty. I know when i ran it when i was like 21 i did Primordial Performance AH and AM, and i had some lethargy. The AH certainly helped with the 1, and 4 Andro lethargy once i added it.

I wouldn’t even know where to start on a blog, but I have heard this more than a few times from people. I think most of the fun stuff is over though since Afghanistan is over. So it’ll just be stuff i tell my grandkids to let them know grandpa was in fact, cool. Lol

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Bro.....I wanna know....lol.

Or you could give a fuck less.....lol. I think if you like to write and reach people, thats a good platform. You have an interesting life/job

That's why I run the four the way I do. I have to have it spaced a particular way to get the most out of it.....for me.

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Bro.....I wanna know....lol.

Or you could give a fuck less.....lol. I think if you like to write and reach people, thats a good platform. You have an interesting life/job

That's why I run the four the way I do. I have to have it spaced a particular way to get the most out of it.....for me.

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I simply never know where to begin. I’ll just be traveling on RNR and somehow a memory is spurred during some moment that’s relevant so i share and people look at me dumbfounded and are like “how do you tell that so casually.” Lol Maybe i should at least really start keeping a journal of my life so at least I specifically don’t forget for when I’m old. I try to journal but it only lasts a few days and then i stop again. If i do, you’ll be the first i let know lol

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I simply never know where to begin. I’ll just be traveling on RNR and somehow a memory is spurred during some moment that’s relevant so i share and people look at me dumbfounded and are like “how do you tell that so casually.” Lol Maybe i should at least really start keeping a journal of my life so at least I specifically don’t forget for when I’m old. I try to journal but it only lasts a few days and then i stop again. If i do, you’ll be the first i let know lol

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When ever the inspiration hits just record it on your phone and jot it down later.......Dude.....do it an I'll give you a platform........People would be interested. Especially my audience which is up to almost 4,1K

Blog it, and then we can monetize it and I'll send you a check every month......It really is that easy if you have an audience (supplied by me and your experiences and stories are genuine, and I can tell they are.

Try it man. What's the worst that could happen? Make a little side money?

Ill give it some thought
But i gotta start jotting either way lol

Thank you all for the replies, really appreciate it!

So to conclude, I will run UH as usual and 4 andro every other day now..

As for PCT, I'll just jump on the protocol as soon as my cycle ends..

Currently I'm doing so much better, lots of spontaneous erections during the day, just have to work on stiffness and strength (I hope the cycle will help)

Just did a blood test recently, Test is good, DHT is good, Estrogen is low enough, Cholestrol is good, Vit D is good.. Overall my test has improved a lot..

Hope to see PFS a thing in the past ASAP!

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Originally Posted by Mistyballoon

Thank you all for the replies, really appreciate it!

So to conclude, I will run UH as usual and 4 andro every other day now..

As for PCT, I'll just jump on the protocol as soon as my cycle ends..

Currently I'm doing so much better, lots of spontaneous erections during the day, just have to work on stiffness and strength (I hope the cycle will help)

Just did a blood test recently, Test is good, DHT is good, Estrogen is low enough, Cholestrol is good, Vit D is good.. Overall my test has improved a lot..

Hope to see PFS a thing in the past ASAP!

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Bathmate? I'm guessing no.

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Originally Posted by tallstraw

Ill give it some thought
But i gotta start jotting either way lol

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Do that.....see what happens. Writing is very cathartic to me.

[QUOTE=Cdsnuts;70794]Bathmate? I'm guessing no.

To be honest I have one stored in my bathroom, but I haven't tried it in a while since the last time I used it I could not even maintain an erection to use it..

Will try it later on tonight..

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Originally Posted by Cdsnuts

Bathmate? I'm guessing no.

To be honest I have one stored in my bathroom, but I haven't tried it in a while since the last time I used it I could not even maintain an erection to use it..

Will try it later on tonight..

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You don't need an erection to use it fellas. That's the point.

That is just one way.

Make sure you pubes are trimmed to down to at least a half in. you need suction in that area. if you can't get yourself into an erect state, even with porno, then just slip it in and pump.....slowly. It's physics........your dick can't not fill up with blood when there is a vacuum on it

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Originally Posted by Mistyballoon

You don't need an erection to use it fellas. That's the point.

That is just one way.

Make sure you pubes are trimmed to down to at least a half in. you need suction in that area. if you can't get yourself into an erect state, even with porno, then just slip it in and pump.....slowly. It's physics........your dick can't not fill up with blood when there is a vacuum on it

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Just used it when showering, hope that works..

BTW slight mistake, my bad.. It wasn't alpha-4, it was Super 4 Andro by Ironmaglabs.. I went to their website and saw the ingredients is 4-DHEA, does that still good when used together with Ultrahard?

Or should I stack UH with Super R-Andro by Ironmaglabs? They have the same ingredients with Alpha 4? (Androsterone)

That's fine.

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Originally Posted by Cdsnuts

That's fine.

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Sorry I don't quite understand, so is it better to stack UH with the Super R Andro (Androsterone) or Super 4 (4-DHEA)?

I think either will work, but if you were looking into 4dhea, use 4dhea then. Though I don’t get the every other day thing. I’d rather use a lower dose every day than a higher dose every other. Peaks and troughs well spaced aren’t what you want i a would assume.

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Originally Posted by Mistyballoon

Sorry I don't quite understand, so is it better to stack UH with the Super R Andro (Androsterone) or Super 4 (4-DHEA)?

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It's not better or worse, just different.

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Bathmate? I'm guessing no.

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Do that.....see what happens. Writing is very cathartic to me.

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Hi guys

can you recommend anywhere to buy alpha 4 in the uk?

Thanks
Danirl

probably predator if im allowed to source. You guys have no shortage of hormones for sale there lol. Thats where I get my shit. Like the tvar and dplex I just got for this upcoming cut!

Is it okay to take Vitamin D while doing the cycle?

Yes

Hi Everyone,

So I just did some bloodwork and the results were quite surprising; testosterone is super high even above normal range, FH & LSH increased, prolactin went down, progesterone is in normal range, so does SHBG.

Basically my results are amazing, but my condition is still not close to my condition pre-PFS.

Is this the right time to do another PH cycle? It's been at least 6 months since last cycle.

If so, which one should I use? I currently have : Super R Andro & Super 4 Andro by Ironmag Labz and Ultra Hard by Iconic.

How long should I do this cycle?

Would appreciate any help and comments.

Thank you!

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Originally Posted by Mistyballoon

Hi Everyone,

So I just did some bloodwork and the results were quite surprising; testosterone is super high even above normal range, FH & LSH increased, prolactin went down, progesterone is in normal range, so does SHBG.

Basically my results are amazing, but my condition is still not close to my condition pre-PFS.

Is this the right time to do another PH cycle? It's been at least 6 months since last cycle.

If so, which one should I use? I currently have : Super R Andro & Super 4 Andro by Ironmag Labz and Ultra Hard by Iconic.

How long should I do this cycle?

Would appreciate any help and comments.

Thank you!

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Well the answer will probably depend on your previous cycle. What did you use and how long did you use it for? What were your results on cycle and how did you feel when you came off?

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Originally Posted by Mistyballoon

Hi Everyone,

So I just did some bloodwork and the results were quite surprising; testosterone is super high even above normal range, FH & LSH increased, prolactin went down, progesterone is in normal range, so does SHBG.

Basically my results are amazing, but my condition is still not close to my condition pre-PFS.

Is this the right time to do another PH cycle? It's been at least 6 months since last cycle.

If so, which one should I use? I currently have : Super R Andro & Super 4 Andro by Ironmag Labz and Ultra Hard by Iconic.

How long should I do this cycle?

Would appreciate any help and comments.

Thank you!

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Hey there, perhaps slightly off topic, but maybe not very far. I have read through much of your journey as detailed here, and seeing as many of your sexual sides seem to have resolved, I am just curious to know what remains for you, or why you consider yourself not close to your normal state?

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Originally Posted by Cherry

Well the answer will probably depend on your previous cycle. What did you use and how long did you use it for? What were your results on cycle and how did you feel when you came off?

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I used the combination of R Andro and 4 Andro on my first ever cycle, Ultra Hard & R Andro on my 2nd. Never cycled for more than 4 weeks. Honestly the only thing I noticed was slightly increased stamina in sports. Obviously I improved my conditions throughout the protocol and PH cycles, but I can't tell you which one the main attribute is. Especially with downswings and upswings, it is hard to know if one thing harms you or heals you. No withdrawal at all after I came off PH.

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Hey there, perhaps slightly off topic, but maybe not very far. I have read through much of your journey as detailed here, and seeing as many of your sexual sides seem to have resolved, I am just curious to know what remains for you, or why you consider yourself not close to your normal state?

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My sexual sides is not yet resolved. It has improved. But I still have downswings when it is hard to maintain an erection.

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Originally Posted by Mistyballoon

Hi Everyone,

So I just did some bloodwork and the results were quite surprising; testosterone is super high even above normal range, FH & LSH increased, prolactin went down, progesterone is in normal range, so does SHBG.

Basically my results are amazing, but my condition is still not close to my condition pre-PFS.

Is this the right time to do another PH cycle? It's been at least 6 months since last cycle.

If so, which one should I use? I currently have : Super R Andro & Super 4 Andro by Ironmag Labz and Ultra Hard by Iconic.

How long should I do this cycle?

Would appreciate any help and comments.

Thank you!

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Run the cycle.

Start out running the DHT and use only a pump or two every other day of the four. Run it for 4-5 weeks.

You need to regenerate some 5ar.......

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Originally Posted by Cdsnuts

Run the cycle.

Start out running the DHT and use only a pump or two every other day of the four. Run it for 4-5 weeks.

You need to regenerate some 5ar.......

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Ultra Hard or R-Andro to pair with the four?

Thanks for the reply!

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Originally Posted by Mistyballoon

Ultra Hard or R-Andro to pair with the four?

Thanks for the reply!

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Either or will work.

Hi all,

I don't know how to make this post a positive one. So I am just going to tell the truth about what I experienced today.

I am currently on my 3rd day of my PH cycle. Seeing that my hormone levels are high, I am very optimistic about leaving PFS as a thing of the past.

This might be a downswing, but I tried to have sexual intercourse earlier this day and I failed miserably.

Theres only seconds of erection at the first, then it was gone. We tried everything and it just wont go hard just like when I crashed the first time.

I am so confused.. This is my 3rd PH cycle, I maintain a good amount of muscle and works out regularly. My shelf is full of herbs and vits yet this happened. Spent thousands of dollar for all those things needed yet the results is just not here (for now)..


Yet 15 minutes after I wrote this post I got a quite solid random erection... PFS is funny thing for sure.

I just feel its not fair to only post the negativity

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Originally Posted by Mistyballoon

Hi all,

I don't know how to make this post a positive one. So I am just going to tell the truth about what I experienced today.

I am currently on my 3rd day of my PH cycle. Seeing that my hormone levels are high, I am very optimistic about leaving PFS as a thing of the past.

This might be a downswing, but I tried to have sexual intercourse earlier this day and I failed miserably.

Theres only seconds of erection at the first, then it was gone. We tried everything and it just wont go hard just like when I crashed the first time.

I am so confused.. This is my 3rd PH cycle, I maintain a good amount of muscle and works out regularly. My shelf is full of herbs and vits yet this happened. Spent thousands of dollar for all those things needed yet the results is just not here (for now)..


Yet 15 minutes after I wrote this post I got a quite solid random erection... PFS is funny thing for sure.

I just feel its not fair to only post the negativity

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Could be performance anxiety caused by the PH?
Ive read on this forum a couple times that when you are on PH cycle you can get increased anxiety, which goes away after stopping but you still maintain better baseline after cycle.

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Originally Posted by Readytonut

Could be performance anxiety caused by the PH?
Ive read on this forum a couple times that when you are on PH cycle you can get increased anxiety, which goes away after stopping but you still maintain better baseline after cycle.

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I really hope you're right. Actually there was a lot of thoughts about not performing when I failed.


And later erections occur when I'm alone.

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Originally Posted by Mistyballoon

I really hope you're right. Actually there was a lot of thoughts about not performing when I failed.


And later erections occur when I'm alone.

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Performance anxiety.

You're in your head. Understandably so. If anything sex is easier when on cycle, hands down.