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Trenbolone: the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Trenbolone has a cult following in the world of size and strength. Those who love it will rarely cycle without it. Why is this? While each persons reasons may vary a bit, there are some common reasons. Fast recovery and healing, impressive strength increases, and growing while leaning out are the main reasons that come to mind.
On the recovery and healing... I believe there are multiple reasons for this. Obviously, like all anabolics, tren increases protein synthesis. However, it seems to do so at a rate that far exceeds many other AAS. Another reason is believed to be its influence on cortisol. Anyone who has had a cortisone shot plunged deep into an injury area knows quite well of the resultant inflammation reduction and apparent healing properties.
Strength increases on trenbolone rival those on anadrol or dbol... all without the extra bloat/water retention that generally assists in the strength.
Growing while losing fat is something that trenbolone is known for and can do quite well. Because of its high rate of protein synthesis, it preferentially takes what it needs from your intake and uses this for muscle growth. This can happen even when on restricted caloric intake. Even on a maintenance diet, fat loss can occur, as temperature and metabolism increase and lipolysis increases.
Sounds perfect, right?
Not for everyone.
Loss of erectile function can occur with many male athletes using trenbolone. It is well documented enough that it even garnered a name: Tren Dick.
"Tren Gyno" can occur. This is often far more difficult to control than gyno from other aromatizing AAS. Much conjecture has been made of why this is so. I won't go through all the theories of why in this writing. Some cannot tolerate even small doses of tren before gyno becomes an issue. Others can tolerate high dosages with no gyno troubles at all. The worst thing is you don't know which category you are in until you use the compound.
Erratic sleep is a potential side effect. This could manifest itself as insomnia or an inability to sleep through the night. Lack of sleep may or may not be detrimental to your physique goals if you are reaping the benefits of the increase protein utilization, but over time this lack of sleep can affect both the body and the mind.
The night sweats on trenbolone can be impressive. There are a couple theories regarding the reasons of this, but I won't get into that here. Just know that you may be changing sheets more often.
Mood changes... this is highly individualistic, but it can happen to even the most stable individuals. This could be a change toward irritability or anger. One of the most important things is the awareness you might be amplified emotionally. This assists one in readjusting their demeanor appropriately.
Lots more can be written about tren, but these are some of the things to be aware of.
Feel free to add to this discussion.
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Trenbolone: the good, the bad, and the ugly.
I've gotten the night sweats - big time. Sometimes sleep is problematic, but that seems to be more a function of evening workouts - although it's worse when I've been worshipping the Tren God. On 2 tren runs, I've never had any libido or gyno problems - but i'm on trt, so I've always got a solid test base. Emotionally, i've noticed some squirellyness, but only when i'm coming off and then for up to a couple weeks; even then it's been mild compared to what i experienced on non AAS tren precursors, particularly the old PP product. Lots of aggression while on, but i'm very practiced at channelling aggression keeping and leaving it in the gym (or wherever else it's been called for).
On the plus side, everything that Burly said, especially re the regenerative effects and the capacity for significant lean gains even while aggressively cutting. The only thing i would add is to note the knock-on effect. I stopped the latest run three weeks ago, but am still seeing daily strength and size gains - eg., chest up 3 cm in three weeks.
In my (admittedly limited) experience, tren is now about as close as one is going to get to Ponce de Leon's dream - at least until the evidence is in on peptides.
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One thing that lowers side effects of tren is to run a low dose of test with it instead of a normal cycle dose.
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One thing that lowers side effects of tren is to run a low dose of test with it instead of a normal cycle dose.
^Agreed.
I seem to react oddly to tren in comparison to many. Doesn't stop it from being my favorite hormones, easily.
1. I can't gain size on it. Eating heavy, added orals, etc.. I tend to maintain weight on tren and just keep leaning out. Not a bad thing per se, but just a note.
2. I get night sweats randomly, and carbs pre-bed increase the likely hood. I can go 2 weeks with no sweat, and then one day wake up in a fucking disgusting pool. Doesn't bother me personally, but someone else in the bed tends to be grossed out.
3. Sleep is all over the place. Sometimes it is awesome, 2 hours of sleep, wake up wide awake. Other times, I am a fucking mess. Up until 3 when I have to be up at 5, and dragging ass throughout the day because the sleep pattern is continuous.
4. I feel flat on tren/mast. It happens, and really I tend to blame the mast, but who knows. Either way, I generally like to play with test or an oral to keep me feeling fuller.
5. Strenght gain has never blown me away, but I dont train for it, so that may be the cause, and it doesnt bother me.
6. I don't have any dream issues.
7. I dont have behavior issues.
8. It has a strong negative impact on my libido, even with Mast and test, or just mast.
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I can relate to some of the above. As far as a size builder, I would call it slower and more quality gains in comparison to other compounds considered as bulkers. It doesn't use carbs and glycogen to "fill up" the muscles like some compounds do. Those gains typically only last while using the compound and then the intracellular water weight begins to shed. I find more permanency in tren gains even if they are less dramatic.
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^Agreed.
I seem to react oddly to tren in comparison to many. Doesn't stop it from being my favorite hormones, easily.
1. I can't gain size on it. Eating heavy, added orals, etc.. I tend to maintain weight on tren and just keep leaning out. Not a bad thing per se, but just a note.
2. I get night sweats randomly, and carbs pre-bed increase the likely hood. I can go 2 weeks with no sweat, and then one day wake up in a fucking disgusting pool. Doesn't bother me personally, but someone else in the bed tends to be grossed out.
3. Sleep is all over the place. Sometimes it is awesome, 2 hours of sleep, wake up wide awake. Other times, I am a fucking mess. Up until 3 when I have to be up at 5, and dragging ass throughout the day because the sleep pattern is continuous.
4. I feel flat on tren/mast. It happens, and really I tend to blame the mast, but who knows. Either way, I generally like to play with test or an oral to keep me feeling fuller.
5. Strenght gain has never blown me away, but I dont train for it, so that may be the cause, and it doesnt bother me.
6. I don't have any dream issues.
7. I dont have behavior issues.
8. It has a strong negative impact on my libido, even with Mast and test, or just mast.
I agree with 3, 6, and 7. I wasn't training for size and I was hoping for strength gains, but I didn't get either one. What I did notice, though, is a very noticeable recomp effect. If you eat clean on tren, then it's pretty damn hard to not lean up.
As far as size gains go, I found NPP to be superior in this department and it comes without the sleep issues.
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I agree with 3, 6, and 7. I wasn't training for size and I was hoping for strength gains, but I didn't get either one. What I did notice, though, is a very noticeable recomp effect. If you eat clean on tren, then it's pretty damn hard to not lean up.
As far as size gains go, I found NPP to be superior in this department and it comes without the sleep issues.
Interesting.... two of you without strength gains. I honestly thought strength gains were universal on tren. Everyone I ever trained with exploded in strength. Ok then... one more variance on how it affects individuals goes up on the board.
On the sleep issue, I require less sleep while on tren. In the old days, I would get by on 3-4 hours every night and still felt pretty good. These days, I sleep more. And your right... there are some nights that sleep just doesn't go well. It is a rarity for me, though.
Interesting about NPP. I've never used it.However, my time with DECA has shown it to be a good size builder overall while feeling as though I'm not on anything at all. Except for the good parts... joints feel better, pumps in the gym are great, and I grow a bit, even on relatively minimal amounts.
One thing that another regular tren user has expressed to me was that he felt some muscle groups tended to grow more readily while on tren. Specifically, the lats/traps. This is difficult for me to judge, because my back grows better than everything else even when unassisted. Anyone notice this? I remember reading Jack's log with TZ and saying his bench press was stagnant, but his rows were increasing weekly.
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I have a love/hate relationship with tren. I think it's a fantastic compound, but the side effects often make it borderline miserable as the cycle chugs along. Personally, i'd rather run 1-Test Cyp (if you can find it) all day long. Milder tren-like effects from the compound, without the undesirable side effects. In particular, the lack of sleep gets old real quick. I don't do good with a terrible sleep pattern for any sustained length of time; especially when it's a "Mr. Mom" day with the kids, haha.
Hope everyone is doing well. :cool:
-John
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I have a love/hate relationship with tren. I think it's a fantastic compound, but the side effects often make it borderline miserable as the cycle chugs along. Personally, i'd rather run 1-Test Cyp (if you can find it) all day long. Milder tren-like effects from the compound, without the undesirable side effects. In particular, the lack of sleep gets old real quick. I don't do good with a terrible sleep pattern for any sustained length of time; especially when it's a "Mr. Mom" day with the kids, haha.
Hope everyone is doing well. :cool:
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Glad to see you pipe in on this, bud. I think some of those side effects you are talking about will go hand in hand with dosage. I've never exceeded 200mg/wk and pretty much run without any bothersome sides.
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Glad to see you pipe in on this, bud. I think some of those side effects you are talking about will go hand in hand with dosage. I've never exceeded 200mg/wk and pretty much run without any bothersome sides.
I agree; definitely dose dependent. Anything over 350-400mg/week with me and it starts to become more misery than beneficial with both my body and psyche. If I had a choice though I would run 1-Test Cyp in tren's place from now on. I never had any insomnia issues with it; where with tren it's a gamble what kind of sleep you'll get that night. I just can't tolerate the persistent "dragging ass" feeling from not sleeping. That just doesn't translate well with either my job or family time.
I just realized it's been a while since I've stopped in. How goes it brother? How's the site doing?
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I agree; definitely dose dependent. Anything over 350-400mg/week with me and it starts to become more misery than beneficial with both my body and psyche. If I had a choice though I would run 1-Test Cyp in tren's place from now on. I never had any insomnia issues with it; where with tren it's a gamble what kind of sleep you'll get that night. I just can't tolerate the persistent "dragging ass" feeling from not sleeping. That just doesn't translate well with either my job or family time.
I just realized it's been a while since I've stopped in. How goes it brother? How's the site doing?
-John
The community continues to slowly grow.... up over 1000 now. We have a solid group of site sponsors that are trustworthy and quality vendors.
It'd be great to have you pop in a little more often-- always great insight and information from you!
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Currently running 250test/350tren and the first few weeks really sucked in mutiple areas. My body temp was always high, I always felt like I couldn't eat, and I just felt shitty. That lasted for the first 3 weeks. The sleep thing never effected me since I would have a nightly puff to calm me down. My strength hasn't increased like I thought it would, but its def on the rise. I actually broke a 45# Close grip PR this past week, so I know the strength is coming. I'm starting week 6 today, and the shitty feeling and body temp raises has pretty much gone away. I feel way better and can eat, thank the Lord! Recomp, holy shit, this department is AMAZING for me! I shedding fat like crazy and building HIGH quality muscle!!! My wife (one who never gives me compliments) has been completely shocked with the results in this area. My quad veins are popping out and veins everywhere else are doing the same. I'm loving this run so far!!!
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the first few weeks really sucked in mutiple areas.
I'm loving this run so far!!!
see, this is what is so ironic about tren...when you see these two comments made simultaneously
the powerful recomp capability is obviously the draw even over the sides
has your libido tanked yet or has the test kept that up ok?
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Remind me... is this your first ever run with trenbolone? I'm a low dose guy, so I don't think that much tren per week is necessary-- it is so much more powerful per milligram than test, deca, and most other injectable.
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see, this is what is so ironic about tren...when you see these two comments made simultaneously
the powerful recomp capability is obviously the draw even over the sides
has your libido tanked yet or has the test kept that up ok?
Libido is really high, even with 1mg of tletro daily. But I am taking 6 caps daily of epiandro rx. When I was running AHV1 my libido was twice as high at it is now, but its still SUPER HIGH!!!
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Remind me... is this your first ever run with trenbolone? I'm a low dose guy, so I don't think that much tren per week is necessary-- it is so much more powerful per milligram than test, deca, and most other injectable.
First run with this compound. I started the first 3 weeks at 250test/300tren, but I bumped the tren to 350wkly. I'll keep it here.
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Libido is really high, even with 1mg of tletro daily. But I am taking 6 caps daily of epiandro rx. When I was running AHV1 my libido was twice as high at it is now, but its still SUPER HIGH!!!
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First run with this compound. I started the first 3 weeks at 250test/300tren, but I bumped the tren to 350wkly. I'll keep it here.
Though it goes against conventional wisdom, my libido increases on both tren and deca.
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Only on 10 mg/day so far... But I had night sweats and very high libido every day so far!
Ramping up the dose starting Monday...
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Only on 10 mg/day so far... But I had night sweats and very high libido every day so far!
Ramping up the dose starting Monday...
Keep us up to speed por favor. You too Mr ORyan. This is good stuff
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Only on 10 mg/day so far... But I had night sweats and very high libido every day so far!
Ramping up the dose starting Monday...
10mg/day Tren? That's a lot of needle work. Why not bump the dosage and space it out?
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Took 20 mg today, mood is noticeably more "intense" no negatives but a lot of energy.
30 mg tomorrow..
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Took 20 mg today, mood is noticeably more "intense" no negatives but a lot of energy.
30 mg tomorrow..
Ok, i get it you're ramping up. I did the same my first time, but in increments of 50 eod
Anyway, i'm now joining as another wingman. I got a couple vials of nanandrol as a sub from my guy for some T that didn't make it through. The next run arrived, though, so i've traded back for the Tren - this time Tren A. Did first 100 yesterday morning, killed it in the gym in the late afternoon, then had massive night sweats last night. Libido also is back in the stratosphere, no doubt in part because of the TRT Base. Read this on another forum:
"I might add that some few people find Tren alone to be a potent aphrodisiac, though I think it's likely just transferred aggression. Tren causes aroused aggression. In general, Test & Tren go together for best effects, physically & psychically. With Tren alone you may want to chase down every chick you see. With Test, you'll want to fuck the ones you catch rather than eat them."
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Minimal sweats last night (slept alone)
Definitely making me sleep less though.
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Tren always makes me sweat my ass off and get less sleep, be prepared for that.
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Minimal sweats last night (slept alone)
Definitely making me sleep less though.
Right behind you, bro. My sweats were way down last night too, no doubt as a result of the quickly lowering amt of Tren in my system - Tren A half-life is pretty short. Let's see if it goes down again tonight. Tomorrow I'll do another 100
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Right behind you, bro. My sweats were way down last night too, no doubt as a result of the quickly lowering amt of Tren in my system - Tren A half-life is pretty short. Let's see if it goes down again tonight. Tomorrow I'll do another 100
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300/WK?
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300/WK?
200 every six days
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The community continues to slowly grow.... up over 1000 now. We have a solid group of site sponsors that are trustworthy and quality vendors.
It'd be great to have you pop in a little more often-- always great insight and information from you!
Thanks, buddy. :)
I'm working my way back slowly. I have some Tren E that needs to stretch its legs. Maybe some Abombs, too......:D
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E6d with ace? What's the reason behind the long period between?
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E6d with ace? What's the reason behind the long period between?
I meant 200/6days, but injected 100 every 3.
I don't much like jabbing myself. So even though Ace seems to have a half-life of only 1 day, i decided to experiment and see how far i could stretch it. Yesterday - day 2 - i could easily still feel it, and i had the sweats a bit last night. Today, I'm not feeling much, but want to wait until i hit the gym before drawing conclusions. If the thrill is gone, i'll cowboy up and shorten the interval to 2 days (and probably drop the dose to 75).
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Are you not using slins sperwer?
Today I took 30 mg and 100 mg test suspension... Just had a great workout
Napped after my shots, dank sweats haha but last night barely sweat at all
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Are you not using slins sperwer?
Today I took 30 mg and 100 mg test suspension... Just had a great workout
Napped after my shots, dank sweats haha but last night barely sweat at all
I don't live in the Great PX stateside, and the actual px here won't sell stickers. W/out a scrip. And no slins in the local market where one can freely buy needles
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Damn, well I don't blame you for not wanting to pin often lol
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Thanks, buddy. :)
I'm working my way back slowly. I have some Tren E that needs to stretch its legs. Maybe some Abombs, too......:D
-T1
I highly recommend a tren/a-bomb combo. Lol
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I meant 200/6days, but injected 100 every 3.
I don't much like jabbing myself. So even though Ace seems to have a half-life of only 1 day, i decided to experiment and see how far i could stretch it. Yesterday - day 2 - i could easily still feel it, and i had the sweats a bit last night. Today, I'm not feeling much, but want to wait until i hit the gym before drawing conclusions. If the thrill is gone, i'll cowboy up and shorten the interval to 2 days (and probably drop the dose to 75).
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Thanks for the clarification. That is why I do tren E. Twice a week and blood levels that are smooth as glass. I know that ace will hit harder, but I don't care. More than twice a week and I probably would forget what day to inject on.
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Never done ED shots burly?
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Thanks for the clarification. That is why I do tren E. Twice a week and blood levels that are smooth as glass. I know that ace will hit harder, but I don't care. More than twice a week and I probably would forget what day to inject on.
I've probably got close to 20 years on you, so I'm definitely feeling you on that last comment. I have to put things - keys, phone, etc - in the same place whever i put them done or the chances are i won't find them later.
I don't mind the jolt from A, but i prefer Hex. A was all i could get this time though. I'll be stateside Xmas/New Years and will stick up with some Parabolan and maybe E. I also want to try the Tri-tren cocktail
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I've probably got close to 20 years on you, so I'm definitely feeling you on that last comment. I have to put things - keys, phone, etc - in the same place whever i put them done or the chances are i won't find them later.
I don't mind the jolt from A, but i prefer Hex. A was all i could get this time though. I'll be stateside Xmas/New Years and will stick up with some Parabolan and maybe E. I also want to try the Tri-tren cocktail
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I like parabolan from my early days, and you have to inject 2x a week minimum, with 3x being better for constant blood levels. Using E gives me the comfort that if I needed to miss a day, or even a couple days, it's not going to affect me that much on a 2x/WK schedule. Lots of guys only pin it 1x/WK.
Just my .02, but I'm not a fan of tren blends any more than I am with test blends. You are constantly chasing after stable blood levels unless you inject EOD and at that point, you may as well just use ace and get more for your money.
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Never done ED shots burly?
Oh yeah... in my youth. I was a pin cushion when it came time for precontest training. Multiple syringes daily. Enough that it took me about 15 years to finally get rid of a series of hard nodules in my glutes. Lots and lots of scar tissue. Which is one of the reasons I pin subQ now.
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My sleep patterns have been effected negatively, but for the most part, I'm getting solid sleep, just wake up a little more than usual. Night sweats are hit and miss, but f I stay away from a lot of carbs for dinner, I will most likely not have the night sweats. I like the idea of stable levels, I'm not a guy who would want to pin ED or even EOD. I've found that splitting the 1 ml into 2 0.5ml injection in different muscles play very well with me. PIP is nonexistent this way.
I'm digging this combo more than anything I've ever run. I'm still thinking if I will run the combo for 16 or 20 wks, not sure yet, thoughts??
Also, the wife has never been one to compliment me while I'm on, but this go round she's complimented me over 6 times in the last 2 weeks. She loves me lean and mean, and she's digging these results! I am too!!
Are you serious about Abombs with the TNT combo guys??!! GEEZ!!! I have some UD I was thinking about running along side the TNT combo, but I'm going to stick with the TNT solo combo for now.
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My sleep patterns have been effected negatively, but for the most part, I'm getting solid sleep, just wake up a little more than usual. Night sweats are hit and miss, but f I stay away from a lot of carbs for dinner, I will most likely not have the night sweats. I like the idea of stable levels, I'm not a guy who would want to pin ED or even EOD. I've found that splitting the 1 ml into 2 0.5ml injection in different muscles play very well with me. PIP is nonexistent this way.
I'm digging this combo more than anything I've ever run. I'm still thinking if I will run the combo for 16 or 20 wks, not sure yet, thoughts??
Also, the wife has never been one to compliment me while I'm on, but this go round she's complimented me over 6 times in the last 2 weeks. She loves me lean and mean, and she's digging these results! I am too!!
Are you serious about Abombs with the TNT combo guys??!! GEEZ!!! I have some UD I was thinking about running along side the TNT combo, but I'm going to stick with the TNT solo combo for now.
Interesting about the carbs and sweats, but wasn't the case for me - at least when i was doing Hex in connection with a cut. I guess it's a case of YMMV, depending on all the variables.
After tonight's workout, i can confirm that 100 A loses its kick almost completely after a couple of days. So i'll be pinning EOD at 75 - i managed to cop another 2 vials, so with what i have i can still get a decent run out of this
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