started my second cycle today 600mg daily. Still got the low appetite since sunday. Hopefully resolves soon so it doesn't cut into my gainzzz
slept decent last night only one 10 minute wake to piss. moving on uppp
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started my second cycle today 600mg daily. Still got the low appetite since sunday. Hopefully resolves soon so it doesn't cut into my gainzzz
slept decent last night only one 10 minute wake to piss. moving on uppp
Might wanna keep that near 400mg if you're running it solo. 600mg used to KILL my estrogen, and weeks into the cycle I would start feeling like total ass.
appetite back up today. almost TOO high I can't go a few hours without eating now lol.
got like a little shallow cough thing too so I probably got some kinda stomach flu or something. Not that big of a deal though.
I think I aromataze A LOT so I think this will be a better cycle. I remember the days in my first cycle i bumped to 600 like 5 times and liked it more.
To each their own.
I'm with Maxout on this one. That being said, if you're getting good results at 600mg and it's not making you feel like shit, then keep going.
so far i really love it but it's only been 6 days... since u both think that i might drop back to 400 and i can save money that way too which is always good.
gunna be a tough call. I'm a pretty small guy tho 6' 167lbs so if 600mg tanks your estrogen I'd imagine it would obliterate mine too. Though I do think I aromatize A lot. my face puffyness improved a lot last cycle but than spiked up again after. maybe 25% improvement in baselne face wise tho..
maybe drop to 400 at first sign of sides? but by then it might be too late... hmm
Yeah..unfortunately that reaction is just due to this particular product, why, I have no idea.
I'm at the point now where I can only run it for a few weeks until it makes me feel shitty. So much so that I'm going to be searching for an alternative.
Never had that issue with superior products.
have had a headache past 3 days... kinda reminds me of the headache i had before i crashed but during the testosterone surge where i felt good...
feels like my brain might be just soaking up the androgens that it's been starved of for so long cuz I also feel quite good and libido is up today. had a really nice bathmate session and bumped the time to 20 minutes. I also do a testicle massage which apparently is really good for sexual health too.
I had some good libido boost during the first cycle, after it initially went down. Is this to be expected? What does this mean?
no idea but most guys experience ups and downs in symptoms. I'd imagine it's because our systems are trying to find balance and sometimes things have to get worse before they get better. eg) when we're sick we have terrible symptoms such as fatigue, stuffy nose, coughing etc. but that's actually the bodies attempt to destroy the virus or whatever is causing it ie) fatigue because energy is being realocated to fighting the virus rather and encourage you to rest.
I got pharma grade vitamin c for a really good price so gunna just gunna take 5grams in the am because from my reading vitamin c is almost always a good thing and good for the adrenals.
from my reading
1) it's great for immunity
2) good for testosteroe
3) good for lowering cortisol + adrenal health
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I know we gotta save it for pct but would it be cool to use ashwa/rhodiola once or twice a week on cycle? I appreciate the boost that both do for energy and sleep respectively.
I wouldn't do the ashwaganda on cycle because you want to save it for afterwords. The rhodiola is okay though because that is more of a straight up adaptogen and not necessariy a T booster. Same can be said for other adaptogens. I'm sure it would be fine, but that is me just being more paranoid that I'd want it to work especially well after the cycle.
anyone try this from liftmode? i'm really happy with their phenibut so I'd imagine their other products are the tits too... I'd imagine we should avoid until we consider ourselves recovered tho?
this one in particular looks interesting in moderation..
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interesting. it sounds powerful. if you're willing I'd like to hear your report on other products of theirs that you tried? :)
don't know if i said before but changed arginine to l-citruline and it's much better (I'm also further along in recovery too tho)
also on cycle I generally feel much better
Attachment 1545 ab gainz on cycle. I'm just gunna increase my lifts for shoulders a bit more and probably gunna keep weight i'm lifting at as it's a decently good level for my size and don't wanna risk injury by going any heavier. might want to add more in the future though not sure.
thanks cd.
really nice upswing this week. Averaged just one wake in 9 hours everyday and quickly go back to sleep. Wake up with diamond cutting hard erections and good libido. Hopefully this sticks with me and doesn't go away.
the one thing sexually that lags the most is response to visual stimuli. 95% of the time I'm able to have sex and get erections but for pornography (not that I watch a lot I generally avoid) i need to kinda warm myself up more. Whereas pre-pfs I would have a boner before I even saw the pornography.
bit of a down swing past few days. libido down and had that wake half way into sleep where it was hard to fall back asleep. tired/wired feeling. so popped l-theanine which seems to do the trick for me that oh so familiar feeling.
before that though i was feeling great and to be honest i felt the best when i was doing 600mg andro that first week. goooot so aggressive like the way i used to when i was a lot younger even.
thing that's super annoying is the weird sensation in my head never goes away. all other symptoms though do fluctuate from better or worse and when it's an upswing i think everything is better face/sleep/libido/mood etc.
down swing getting worse. sleep back to shit wake up exhausted. with those heart pains that went away.
doesn't help that my sister leaves her baby here for my parents to babysit and their crib is right next to my office... and she has another one on the way fml
I was hoping this deep into the protocol sleep issues wouldn't be a thing but if I can ever get back to normal i'll be forever greatful cuz life's a living hell at times with this condition.
edit; kinda cringe at my posts during down swing but feel better as I get my day going and cold showers suck but i feel much better after
You know the deal. That's the way it goes. Just go back and read some posts from when you were in an upswing to remind yourself.
And what do you mean "if you can ever get back to normal".....come on man. I know that's the downswing brain talking. Go read the recoveries when you're feeling like this or better yet, do a mega breathing session for an hour and then blast a cold shower for 3-5 minutes. That will DEFINITELY get your head in the right space.
As a matter of fact, I've been trying not to drink myself into oblivion on the weekends anymore. Saturday comes rolling around and me and the old lady will start knocking them back. Some times I drink just because it's the weekend.....not good or healthy. I really only want to do it anymore at parties or gatherings. It's amazing what a breathing session and a freezing cold shower will do to your thoughts.....
yeah when I get into a downswing i get super pessimistic. thanks CD. one thing that's really great for me is phenibut 1-2 times a week. The days I use it I'm able to sleep for like 11 hours (one or two brief wakes) but becuase of that I get like 6-7 sleep cycles and feel AMAZING. (average monophasic sleep is 5 cycles) so if I do it twice a week I get 4 extra cycles which usually patches up any down swing sleep nights.
the breathing really helped when I was getting panic attacks when i first crashed. it's more subtle now. the cold showers though are HUGE. Still super hard for me to do but I still do them and never stopped. (I used to do them before I got PFS too)
One thing that is amazing about the cold showers that I really love is the ability to create positive changes in the brain that carry over into EVERY other area of your life.
What I found helpful for myself was getting a water proof time that I keep in the shower. I set it for the amount of time I want to be exposed and I just DO IT, despite whatever the fuck my head is doing. I know that NO MATTER WHAT, I'm going to be in this cold water for the next minute or two, so I may as well just sack up and deal with it. Sometimes I would actually scream in anger, because I didn't feel like doing it that day for whatever reason....(this was in the earlier years)
I can tell you that EVERY single time I did it, I felt better about everything else in my life. Something so simple. That's fantastic that you stuck with it. Alot of guys don't. For me a cold shower after a breathing session is one of the most euphoric things you can naturally do.
Usually when you really don't feel like doing it is when you need to do it the most.
Just becareful with that phenibut man. I never had the ability to use it properly. (I have an addictive personality) Got myself into trouble more then once with that shit. Kratom too.
I don't fuck with it anymore because of that reason. For those who can use it properly though, it's a game changer for sure.
originally posted this on hackstasis but for people who just post here
The main lingering symptoms I have
1) Sleep on average 90% (Typically I have 1-2 wakes and I'm able to get back to sleep after going to pee). Once in a while like once a week I'll wake up feeling tired and wired and it's a bit hard to get back to sleep.
2) Physically 90% ( My face still has water retention but some days it looks closer to normal + I'm about 8-10lbs from when I first crashed cuz I put on more mass and don't abuse coffee like I did pre-pfs). Also dark eye circles. Also got that numb feeling on my head still but it's pretty benign. Also heart flutters but I think that's cortisol stress from the often shitty sleep.
3) Sexual 66% (Can have sex consistently twice a week often more. Sometimes Erections aren't as hard as they used to be. And I can't be as much of manwhore as I used to be the girls have to be hotter and find it harder to get into older girls. Also takes a little warmup time. There have been many days though where my libido was like 100%. Especially during my first prohormone cycle and a bit into this one too. Was able to go more than one round 3x this month but only with girls I was very attracted too.
4) Mentally 97.5% (Pretty much back to normal mentally.. sometimes I have a tad of brain fog but that's almost completely gone.) Also energy is not as much as it used to but I think it's also a combo of not abusing coffee like I said for physical.
So overall 85% if u average that out but I'm thirsting for recovery so I can hit the coffee hard like I used too (with a bit more responsibility of course) and just get those diamond cutter erections/lust back because sex is extremely big part of my life and I dedicated so much time/energy getting good at getting it so it's shame to lose the ability so early in life lol.
I still do have down swings though as I say.
very nice deeeeep sleep last night. slept straight 7 hours. woke up to pee and then slept another 2 hours. (I used to sleep 9 hours of sleep daily yes I know excessive long sleeper haha)
also woke up with really good libido reminds me what a beast I was haha
one thing that I have that seems to go away so not too worried about but I have a bit of a sting in my lower back like I pinched something.
I had it before like 2-3 years ago and it goes away if I left less weigh / recover from yoga.
so thinking of dropping the weight a little bit so hopefully it goes away. hope it's not anything to serious. not the worst thing in the world but sting is annoying. I haven't been doing foam rolling cuz I figured yoga would be enough.
yeah wish I had those genes that goes through sleep cycles uber fast.
another fantastic night of sleep last night.
was with a girl last night and she was amused by how delighted I was when I yawned. PFS people who recover are so thankful for drowsiness when it comes back haha
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lower back pain completely gone. day off did me good.
just did yoga again. gunna do same thing for monday and should be back at it friday. think i'm gunna lower my lifts by 10-50 pounds on squats and deads cuz I think i'm near my limit for my joints.
always good to take a week off for close calls. lose one week for a lifetime rather than push on and be out for months
I have been doing this 1 or 2 times a day for a few months...Back has never felt better.
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Your back ache, is it back pumps?
what's back pumps? back is fine now. day off served me well. probably just muscle strain. lowering squats and deads by 20lbs should do the trick.
i want to lose 5-10lbs so i can get my chiseled jaw back (though this might be due to water retention as well). What's the most aggressive/healthy weight loss goal. 2 pounds a week? currently 171pounds wanna drop to like 160. my face looked excellent when i weighed 158