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Long story short, I gave kratom a try for back pain. Not only is it the best pain reliever I've ever tried, hands down, but my libido goes into super overdrive with every use, regardless of the strain.
Ive used multiple strains from Happy Hippo Herbals and it lifts my mood, makes me happy and makes me wicked horny.
This stuff must promote dopamine, because I'm recovering from CBD induced Shut down and have been dead inside. Not anymore.
Wow, what a blessing.
in moderation it gives me libido just cuz I feel good but if I use it chronically it nukes my dick like pfs did. I tried doing kratom lifestyle and yeah took 2 weeks to return to baseline before i had pfs in 2016 freaked da fuq out lol
I've never gotten anything but lowered libido from Kratom. It hits me about the same as all other opiates and opiate-types do. This was before, during, and after PFS.
I've voiced my concerns to FPR about this, but yes, Kratom will, after chronic use (which this time frame can be different for everyone) completely numb your libido to the point of non-existence, just like any other substance that tickles the MU opiate receptor.
Taking this once in awhile to prolong ejaculation is fun and actually enjoyable. Unfortunately for me, I have an addictive personality and I would just end up taking it everyday if it's laying around here. For me, my best bet personally is to stay away.
I hear Kratom works for anxiety. If it was taken rarely, and only as needed, in your opinion CD, is it likely to lead to a "secondary crash"?
The problem is, it is never, ever taken "rarely, or only as needed." It is enjoyable, and because of such, it will lead you down a slippery slope. My take on this for guys recovering from PFS is to stay away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jado
Yeah, I hear ya. I have an addictive personality, so it is probably best I steer clear. Thanks for the quick reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cdsnuts
I don't know how you guys use it, you can buy bags of it here for pennies. I just chew it occasionally as an upper
Very difficult to take occasionally since like already mentioned, it can make you feel pretty good. I'd steer clear unless you're REALLY good at using things occasionally only.
People can say what they want about it, but if you take it long enough there IS opiate like withdrawal from it, so tread lightly.
goodlookingloser has a good blog on it.
he does the 'kratom lifestyle' where you essentially rotate different strains so you stay perpetually high all the time without getting a tolerance because each strain is different. fast, slow, medium and various colours too.
similar to how we rotate herbs to get out of pfs. he used it to combat depression and just be happy being a work horse and built a six figure business off of it.
I tried doing it before pfs. it definitely worked but it nuked my libido lol. he's on testosterone and bunch of other stuff so probably is immune to libido suppresion. he also uses finasteride, ru58841, and nizoral lmao.
I'm surprise different strains would matter.. that's like saying I'm going to switch between different pain killers and not become dependent. Doesn't usually work like that
Good for him if it is, though.
I think the key word there was tolerance. There's no way that would work for avoiding addiction. People switch up their psych meds all the time for the same reason
not necessarily. for example some pain killers work because they tap opoid receptors. whereas others work because they are numbing like cocaine. so yeah you could theoretically rotate vastly different pain killers and be high all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ncsugrad2002
the 'kratom lifestyle' definitely works. I was pretty much high for a 2 weeks straight in 2016 but yeah nuked my libido and I did have some withdrawal where I was mega sensitive but went back to baseline in 2 weeks. Kinda similar to pfs but more mild and just sexual symptoms and no crash.
Yeah... but all forms of kratom are screwing with opiod receptors, so it isn't really a valid analogy to compare it to cycling substances that are accomplishing similar results through different means.
And you just admitted you had WD symptoms from Kratom while doing the whole "kratom lifestyle" thing, which was supposedly the reason to use his methods to begin with, so I guess the whole argument doesn't make any sense to me.
It is a libido killer just as traditional opiates are. You may get a boost in the beginning, but once tolerance starts to set in, and it will, regardless of rotating strains, it will do nothing but work against what you are trying to do here.
I've used it to the point of having to withdrawal, and I can tell you that the WD's are horrible. I would say almost as bad as opiates. I had never felt so restless in my life. Crawling out of my skin to put it lightly. No sleep.....horrible.
This whole bullshit of rotating strains to avoid tolerance isn't quite true. Kratom has about 27 different alkaloids in it that illicit a response from the system. Every strain has a different alkaloid profile. High notes, mid notes and low notes. High notes are the speedier ones, low notes are the more opiate type, relaxing ones, and mid notes are self explanatory. The take away here is, even if you are rotating strains, most of the alkaloids over lap in one way or another. Sure, you may be taking a strain for awhile that has alot of high notes, but it still has in it's make up low notes and mid notes. So even when you're rotating, you're still, over the course of time, building tolerance to ALL OF THEM.
People love to hear good news about their bad habits, remember that. The bottom line is it's addictive and counter productive to everything that you're doing on this forum.
Agreed 100%.