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Herbs are the same for everyone unless allergic.
Bathmate is not necessary if you have no ED symptoms whatsoever, which would also mean you get rock hard nocturnal and morning wood. You should stop edging and fapping though.
The herbs will not crash you. Would they be in the protocol if they did?
Your hair loss may not necessarily reverse through the protocol, unless it’s just from stress only.
Diffuse unpatterned alopecia is a type of hair loss where you thin everywhere evenly. If this is what you have, there’s nothing to really do about it except shave your head when you lose enough hair, or maybe scalp micropigmentation if you want it to look like you shaved your head but arent bald. The other option is a hair system if you feel a strong need for teenager-level hair. You cannot get a hair transplant if you have diffuse unpatterned alopecia, and you shouldn’t take finasteride, for obvious reasons.
Finasteride is more commonly known as propecia or proscar. It is what the “F” in PFS stands for.
I’m not sure if you’re making a joke about not knowing what it is, but I would not recommend taking finasteride. You’re never going to recover from PFS while you’re taking finasteride.
Don't mind me I was just being witty. I was hit pretty badly by PFS too
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@MungYarlon Aren't you french as well ? If so do you have a good address for the herbs ?
Hi, I would like to know as well :)
Really?
Both of you guys need to go back and read.
That's some spoon fed shit right there.
At least pretend your researching.
Does nicotine while juicing sound cleansing at all to you? Quit! This is your perfect opportunity.
Why not try dipping or the gum instead of smoking it? Honestly it's not going to make or break your healing, but it is a great opportunity to quit........but I get it. I was a smoker. You'll heal either way.
You even sound more confident from those first few posts! See? EVERYTHING is here for you guys. Everything. It's not going anywhere, no need to rush it. It sounds like your research on the forum did you some solid good.
Now that you've studied, I'm sure as you go along you'll have questions. That's fine, everyone does. But now you have a basic understanding of the outline and the questions you ask will be more specific and unanswered. You'll get more interaction with other members as well when you're on the same page as them.
Good turn around man.
How's it going this time around? Just an fyi, a headache during a cleanse is a detox symptom. MOST people, including myself, get them everytime I start a cleanse. Totally normal. Drink more water, and just try and rest.
I can read the posts you deleted.....I'm just going to say this once, because in all fairness, you did delete them. You can add ginkgo, yes. I would rotate it with the other mind supps though as well. You can play around with it. A week on Gotu, a week on Bacopa, etc. Then try staggering the doses.
Mucuna and Maca are in the recommended herb list.
You sound like everyone else in the early stages of PFS, including me, you’re gonna drive yourself crazy if you don’t control your thoughts. Was the suicide someone that has been on this forum? I fucked around with a lot of SSRI’s in my day with horrible effects, had the same thoughts as you. I went through the whole “maybe I have PSSD not PFS and I can’t recover, why am I not seeing results” blah blah phase. Just try and relax, you’re gonna be fine, just keep doing what you’re doing.
Nicotine abuser here. I’ve been hooked for almost 10 years now. Not 10 straight, but I started smoking at 15 and have gone periods of years without it. Not too long ago, I was using close to a tin a day of 6mg Zyn for 3-4 months straight. That’s close to 90mgs a day. Do the math.
Nicotine withdrawals are brutal and can last for months. Depression during and after withdrawal is well documented and has been for a long time. Combine that with the stress of a fast/juice feast and you will feel exactly as you do right now. Your body is normal, it just needs to recalibrate. They’ve done research on the recovery of the nicotinic receptors and system in the brain, and even people who smoked a pack a day for 25+ years recovered the majority, if not all, of their receptors, albeit after a while. Point being, you will recover.
Every time I quit, without exception, I don’t sleep for 3 days. I cannot control my thoughts and feel schizo. My brain fog is almost unmanageable. I can’t remember anything, and I’m terribly depressed. Then for the next month, I slowly climb back out of the hole and things return to normal. It’s different for everyone though, so give yourself time.
Breathe. The wim hof is a good substitute for smoking. Not only will it improve and strengthen your respiratory system, it will build your tolerance to stress, clear your head, and give you a similar buzz to the nicotine. Do a round every time you have the urge to smoke.
You’ll pul through this. I know it.
Best of luck to you in the meantime,
Ratchet
My guy – I don’t want to dismiss your PSSD, but you definitely feel feelings.
“Man I really miss my feelings” – feeling of longing.
“Just terrifies me the idea” – feeling of horror/despair.
“I just despise living like this” – feeling of contempt.
“The odd feeling in my right nipple” You get the point.
You do feel things – you are just so stressed out and hyper focused on every negative aspect of your life and health right now that there is literally no room to feel anything positive. You will be gridlocked in this state forever if you don’t detach yourself from this label, if you constantly pick at the scab that is your healing. You know why ergogenic health still thinks he has PSSD? Because he has spent almost every waking moment for the last however many years fucking studying, sitting on forums, analyzing every food, nootropic, drug interaction in his body he’s fucking lost. You need to break up with PSSD. Treat it like that. You ever gone through a breakup? You check your ex’s shit constantly afterwards and it just keeps reopening your wound every time you do? You ever meet those guys that 3 years later they still haven’t moved on? Don’t be that fucking guy. Focus on becoming who you want and enjoying the things that you can – supplement that with healthy living & the protocol. Don’t visit forums, don’t journal your symptoms, just go be the person you are trying to get back to and eventually you will fall into it and the PSSD will dissipate. And remember, the second you analyze your feelings I.e “am i feeling happy right now” or “was this enjoyable” you, by default, separate and distance yourself from them. Don’t ruin good moments by doing this. If you catch yourself sitting back in a group of friends wondering if you’re even enjoying yourself, tell yourself you are and move on. Don’t give it any more thought than that. If you think you should feel sad, tell yourself you’re sad. Validate your initial reactions and feeling every chance you get and don’t spend any more time thinking about it. You can and will reprogram your brain this way. It takes time. It takes practice. It takes discipline, but it’s achievable for anyone willing to do the work. Go get it.
I’m dipping out this forum for minute & am going to go enjoy my summer. Best of luck to you.
You need to focus on yourself and on detoxing
Carnivore diet is an absolute scam and it will guarantee lower hormonal output (it lowers test just like pure keto) and blockages of the body's =no detox
Do you guys not understand the importance of fruits and carbs especially after workout? Do you know fruits promote 5ar?
The way you've been talking down to people the last few days, you'd think you were a veteran on this forum, had more than 14 posts and an introduction/ recovery log. There are numerous things wrong with what you've been saying the last few days, not simply how you've said it, but on a factual basis as well.
Man I agree with MungYarlon, in your last few posts you really are unbearable. You talk about propeciahelp but your tone and demeanor are just as acid as people there.
HOPE is a good dude asking for juice feast tips and you just spew some confrontational shit on his thread
You’re in a weird stage right now where your body is trying to figure out what’s going on and things are off internally. That resulted in a lot of random bodily and neurological swings and changes, at least in my case. I still get big wrinkles under my eyes randomly for a week or so, or severely dry skin then I won’t notice as much in like a week or 2. It’s gonna be like that the entire time, you’re gonna fluctuate a lot.
Seriously, save yourself the hassle and stop stressing over shit like that, every time things switch up. Just keep on the straight and narrow, I’m telling you man it gets way better. Read through my thread if you want, I used to frequent the forum with all these questions about “is this normal” and all that, I should have just relaxed and let it fly, because I’m doing better now, 2 years later.
Well...the tongkat isn't estrogenic at all. It'll jack your T up which will then aromatise into estrogen. So if anything, that's the culprit. Tongkat is no joke. You can add in a natural AI along with it. Pine pollen, DIM, etc. (Neither of these are AI's by the way. I use a blanket term. They can both be used to flush excess estrogen from the system.
Man, I feel for you. The stage you’re in now is rough. But 2 years ago I said the same stuff, and I felt helpless. My life was a living hell. Just keep on pushing man, it’ll improve slowly. We’re talking like a couple years, so just chill and stick to what you’re doing and let yourself heal.
To answer you, yeah I felt like a bitch. Could not build muscle for the life of me, my muscles were like fat deposits and all squishy, face was fat, felt weak, it was like instead of building muscles I just produced more fat, no pumps in the gym, no feelings of masculinity, only anhedonia. Nobody talks about their symptoms really, I don’t. But I guarantee most guys on here are as bad as you. You’re in the early stages bud, time to relax and embrace the suck for a while.
Hey man I know we talk outside of here but I thought I'd bring some good vibes to your log.
I had everything you talk about. I started the protocol in March, but recrashed mid-april and then 2 weeks later. I felt like an asexual loser. Fastforward to the end of my 4th month on protocol, and I feel like myself, I feel confident and alpha around girls. I am also on my 40th day of no fap.
You have no idea how much progress I made in the last month. But you also have no idea how bad off I was 3 months ago. The point I'm trying to make is buckle up, because you don't know where you'll be in 3 months. A couple weeks ago you were reporting an upswing and saying 2 years on protocol will be easy if it stays this way. You can get back to that. Read my log and you'll see I was alternating between hope and despair non stop.
The protocol will heal us with time, but those downswings are nasty because each upswing leads you to believe we are out of the woods. One day you will hit a point where you will realize that you're still suffering, but that you made notable improvements that make you know that you will eventually recover. Just hustle to get there, and then live while things fix themselves in the background.
Much love
Every down swing will either break you or make you stronger in the end. Make sure you gear up for the latter. Make pain your friend in these trying times, grind through it. Don’t give up and its a promise you will be a damn super human when this shit is over. Acknowledge the bad times but celebrate the good moments as much as you can, as little or short they may be.
Just want to add, that i had a bad expierience with collagen as well. Never took it since then...