Trying to find something for someone. Are there any PH's using the same hormones that AL used?
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Trying to find something for someone. Are there any PH's using the same hormones that AL used?
Prototype nutrition has what you need.
And which of the products would that be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Macdon1588
11-spray and 7-spray.
Thanks; too busy/lazy to send the time sorting it out
A cheaper route would be to buy the 7-spray and ur-spray and mix them. It's a non hormonal that will help lean you out as much as running andro lean IMO.
It's still the same effect on cortisol? Inhibiting the enzyme that converts cortisone to cortisol?
Yep other than it's a topical delivery (which is better I believe), its the same active ingredients.
It does the same thing and same action, but thing is I thought AndroLean was an actual androgen that just so happened to effect that enzyme and not just two popular cortisol controlling supplements used for PCT branded as a PH.
Nope, 11-spray is 11-keto and 7-spray is 7 keto, which are the same actives. 11-keto elicits different effects depending on the dose, but it is a hormone, whereas 7-keto is a DHEA metabolite and considered non repressive/hormonal by most bro scientists. 7 keto is the one used in pct. I ran 11-spray and Mechabol sometime back and leaned out nicely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymous
For a 4 weeks cycle of 11-spray, should I do a PCT?Quote:
Originally Posted by Macdon1588
And what kind of PCT? Light like a natty booster (such as Erase Pro or Testojack)
It couldn't hurt to follow up your 11-spray cycle with a DAA product(like Testforce) and an AI like Erase. Even if they are not totally needed the AI and DAA will give you a nice little test boost. Others are following up an 11-spray cycle with 7-spray and DAA as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack O'Neill
I've used 11-spray several times with good results and I believe I did experience some noticeable suppression when I used 11-spray 2 x a day. Also I used a lot of sprays and covered my whole back as well, which is probably similar to running a gram a day of 11-OXO.
Yep, Testforce 2 is my choice for DAA, although Intimidate is also good. Using an AI with DAA is a good idea as DAA can cause E2 sides. I've used Erase but prefer DS Triazole as it doesn't give me sore joints (compared to Erase) and is effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackswift
For a cheapish alternative to Androlean I'd run Stanodrol 600mgs & 11-oxo 300mgs. The PN sprays are very good but pricey.
^I like the dosing recommendations for a Stano 11-Oxo combination - this could be run like that for 8 weeks with the need for only a very mild PCT at the end and should provide some very nice leaning and loss of abdominal wobble in that time.
hhhmmm, interesting. I'd like to read stano/11-oxo logs. Indeed it would be very mild and probably really useful for a cut. The 11-oxo would keep cortisol levels low and prevent going too catabolic and the Stano would help with lethargy especially if one was cutting out carbs and such for a cut. I guess you could probably gain a couple pounds on this cycle if you ate right and yeah, I bet the recovery or PCT would be fairly quick and painless. interesting.....Quote:
Originally Posted by markam
Throw some Mechabol in there at like 100mg a day and we got winner
Cycle becomes a bit more supressive and a SERM is need instead of an OTC pct. just wanted to put that element out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackswift
I would also suggest Mecha and ProMag are more suited to bulking then cutting in addition to the suppression issue.
Throw in Epi instead of Mecha or PMag and you'd have a pretty sweet cut cycle.