Anyone have experience with this?
Alpha Hard
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Anyone have experience with this?
Alpha Hard
Looks interesting. It would be nice to know how much epiandro and androsterone are actually in each serving. I hate "prop blends".
Have you looked into Mestebol? I know its a lot stronger but have read amazing reviews
Well the ingredients are the exact same as AHv3 and we know the total between the two of them are 1500mg. AHv3 had a total of 1200mg.
The dosing instructions are a little weird though : As a dietary supplement, take 3 Bio-Tabs in the AM (1 per hour) 3 Bio-Tabs in the PM. Take with meals. What's the whole "one per hour" thing?
The count is 168 per bottle too, just like AH....
Technically, though, it's not 1500mg of Androsterone/Epiandrosterone.
There first ingredient in the list under the Prop blend is Agmatine:
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So that means they could have put any amount of agmatine in the blend... let's so even 1 gram. That would only leave 500mg for the andro/epiandro.
Agmatine is also relatively cheap (you can get 90 caps x 250mg for $20) so who knows how much they put in.
I have taken their 5 alpha test, which is epi andro..under the tongue..same thing..the exact amount of epi andro was not listed.
It was legit for a fact, but it was weak.much weaker then other epi andro products on the market. I wonder if this product is simply the same way?
A prop blend in a hormonal supplement throws up a caution sign for me... No reason for that unless IMO significantly under dosed
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F prop blends!
Yeah!!!!
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Yeah man, I'd have to say that if they're going to hide behind a Prop blend, and we know that the first listed ingredient is always highest dosed, IE, lots of Agmatine...
Might as well go with our other options.
IN STOCK! Epi Andro Hard by Prescription Nutrition (epi andro/stanolone/dht)
Epi Andro RX by Iron Mag Labs - GymNTonic.com
I'd try one of these but I get free product from Celtic and can't justify the cost just to see if it reminds me of Androhard lol But from what I've seen, they are legit...
I have an email out to them to see if they'll disclose the break down.
[Q UOTE=Cdsnuts;36282]Will certainly post it here.
On a side note...has anyone ever mentioned lethargy from Epi-Andro hard/rx?[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure I have seen a couple report lethargy from pretty high doses of Epi-andro, I'll see if I can find it.
I know some report the same with Mestebol, I guess too much DHT for some doesn't react well
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I'm not familiar with Agmatine, but maybe that's why they recommend the dosing scheme they do? Maybe there is alot of that stuff in there and they don't want you taking three caps at once. I think dosing one per hour for three hours in the a.m. and then the same in the p.m. would be annoying.
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As per this thread, the company is not releasing the ratio's of actives. I'm pretty sure this dude is a forum member here...
Yeah I cant think of who... Isnt Forerunner part of/affiliated with another hormone company? I want to say yes, that's how they got have some credit... Idk I don't understand why ratio's are kept secret from consumers.
Well whatever the reason, the dosing scheme is still ridiculous.
At first I thought they added it just to add stuff like AndroFactory did, but BBG may be onto something else
I designed 5-Alpha Test and have said many times that it was a 25mg tablet of epiandrosterone plus 500mcg's of methylcobalamin.
Alpha Hard is not intended for under the tongue.
Hai
Is anyone else selling a blend of both isomers? Last I checked this was the only product.
No...you are the only one selling both isomers, which is why I ordered a bottle to try. But I have to say, customer service at Forerunner is severely lacking. I have questions and I've emailed them a couple times and I have yet to hear back.
I want to know why it says to dose one pill per hour for three hours in the a.m. and then the same thing in the p.m? What is the point of dosing like that? Why can't they be taken all three at once in the a.m. and then again all three at once in the p.m? The way it is instructed seems cumbersome and a bit annoying to have to dose it that way. I asked this same thing in an email to customer service and to another email that I had found and I don't get a response?
Not too impressive thus far.
junk email folder? Check there.
For both an acute effect (Preworkout)as well as the overall benefits of agmatine supplementation.
J. Biol. Chem., 2014 vol. 289(14) pp. 9710-29
The molecular and metabolic influence of long term agmatine consumption
Nissim, I; Horyn, O; Daikhin, Y; Chen, P; Li, C; Wehrli, SL; Nissim, I; Yudkoff, M
Agmatine (AGM), a product of arginine decarboxylation, influences multiple physiologic and metabolic functions. However, the mechanism(s) of action, the impact on whole body gene expression and metabolic pathways, and the potential benefits and risks of long term AGM consumption are still a mystery. Here, we scrutinized the impact of AGM on whole body metabolic profiling and gene expression and assessed a plausible mechanism(s) of AGM action. Studies were performed in rats fed a high fat diet or standard chow. AGM was added to drinking water for 4 or 8 weeks. We used (13)C or (15)N tracers to assess metabolic reactions and fluxes and real time quantitative PCR to determine gene expression. The results demonstrate that AGM elevated the synthesis and tissue level of cAMP. Subsequently, AGM had a widespread impact on gene expression and metabolic profiling including (a) activation of peroxisomal proliferator-activated receptor-α and its coactivator, PGC1α, and (b) increased expression of peroxisomal proliferator-activated receptor-γ and genes regulating thermogenesis, gluconeogenesis, and carnitine biosynthesis and transport. The changes in gene expression were coupled with improved tissue and systemic levels of carnitine and short chain acylcarnitine, increased β-oxidation but diminished incomplete fatty acid oxidation, decreased fat but increased protein mass, and increased hepatic ureagenesis and gluconeogenesis but decreased glycolysis. These metabolic changes were coupled with reduced weight gain and a curtailment of the hormonal and metabolic derangements associated with high fat diet-induced obesity. The findings suggest that AGM elevated the synthesis and levels of cAMP, thereby mimicking the effects of caloric restriction with respect to metabolic reprogramming.
Still no response.
This is how they list their phone number on the site:
Toll-Free: 800-555-555.
Interesting.
Also, here is a blurb:
"To help our customers achieve and exceed their potential we will provide the utmost customer responsibility and care. Forerunner Labs stands behind our products 100%. Have questions? Need assistance?
Contact us! We believe our ultimate responsibility is to you, the customerer."
Lol sounds like a number that would be on a movie.. Actually wast it in Bruce Almighty?? Lol
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what a fukin joke. sorry right hook, but this shit is ridiculous.
when i click the contact us this email address opens on my mail app on my mac.
davidcannoy@yahoo.com
i assume thats the person who does the info for fore runner. i click the contact link and my email app opens with that guys email in the send line
Oh, I thought you knew. I'm sure there is certain circumstances, RH is a good dude and FRL has a good rep
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Not doubting he's a good dude.....so maybe he can show some goodness and answer my simple question in regards to why the dosing is the way it is? And Nate's right. It is ridiculous that I have to wait so long for an answer.
The other email I used was dc@advancedmusclescience.com. From the looks of it, it goes to the same person. Unless there is somebody else there with the same initials.
I also sent RH a pm yesterday around this time with those two emails I used and my question. Hoping he can shed some light.
I did get the product today though. If I knew how to post pictures I would. The bottle has a very strong likeness to the Androhard v3 bottle.....like almost exact. I still have AHv3 left and when side by side with the Alpha hard, it's very apparent they were mimicking it.
Fair enough you did make a purchase, I forgot. Sorry Cdsnuts :(
Another thing I just noticed....along with that dosing scheme (three tabs, one per hour for three hours in a.m, then the same for p.m.) It says to take with meals? Does that mean I have to have a meal every hour for three consecutive hours in the morning then again at night?
Strange.