~Ressurect "1-T" by Primordial? Need feedback please ~

Ok so FreePress gave me this wonderful idea regarding the product known as "1-T". TBH I didn't even know it existed,but researching it, it looks gtg on paper.

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Product Facts
Serving Size: 5 pumps
Applications per container: 23

1-Androsterone?
112.5 mg**


DHEA
94.5 mg**


Pregnenolone
18 mg**

Fully legal and very promising based on reviews.

I have not approached Eric, nor asked him if he cared if we came out with a very similar version, simply a knock off. I wonder if I need to ask him, or if he truly wouldn't mind a similar product?

I would market it under the Nitrogen Boosting premise, aka "NITRO BOOSTERS" since one of the benefits of such a product would be a positive nitrogen balance :)

I might be able to carry it under the MindCharm line, or PN, or worst case scenario I have a few major manufacturers I work with that might take the bait, unless I had a private investor. Not sure yet.

But I need feedback. What are your thoughts on this product?? Would it be something you want, something you use?? Something you would buy?? Do you think it would be in high demand?? Have you used the original product? What were your results. Really wanna hear the SS crew feedback only. Not using any other forum but this one, I know you guys will give me legit info.

Ty in advance :)

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Originally Posted by WesleyInman

Ok so FreePress gave me this wonderful idea regarding the product known as "1-T". TBH I didn't even know it existed,but researching it, it looks gtg on paper.

http://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/...ps032cfbb9.jpg
Product Facts
Serving Size: 5 pumps
Applications per container: 23

1-Androsterone?
112.5 mg**


DHEA
94.5 mg**


Pregnenolone
18 mg**

Fully legal and very promising based on reviews.

I have not approached Eric, nor asked him if he cared if we came out with a very similar version, simply a knock off. I wonder if I need to ask him, or if he truly wouldn't mind a similar product?

I would market it under the Nitrogen Boosting premise, aka "NITRO BOOSTERS" since one of the benefits of such a product would be a positive nitrogen balance :)

I might be able to carry it under the MindCharm line, or PN, or worst case scenario I have a few major manufacturers I work with that might take the bait, unless I had a private investor. Not sure yet.

But I need feedback. What are your thoughts on this product?? Would it be something you want, something you use?? Something you would buy?? Do you think it would be in high demand?? Have you used the original product? What were your results. Really wanna hear the SS crew feedback only. Not using any other forum but this one, I know you guys will give me legit info.

Ty in advance :)

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First of all, Wes, thank you for taking the time to learn more about this product from me. As many people who have known me on here will tell you, this was a favorite of mine, and many, who were around in the early days of Primordial Performance.

This was my first PH. I gained 10 pounds in six weeks and kept eight of them. I experience NO LETHARGY, contrary to those who take 1-DHEA orally. This product was balanced out with 5-DHEA and Pregenolone to mitigate lethargy and loss of libido. And it delivered.

There are old logs out there all over the net showing 8-10 pounds gains on this stuff. It made a two-step conversion to 1-test and had an estimated 40% bioavailability, as compared to 8% via oral administration.

This product never got to be combined with the new gel carrier that Eric developed when he re-released Dermacrine (by popular demand AFTER the AndroSeries) and revamped Sustain Alpha and Dermatherm, while introducing the world to 1-T's successor, the short lived AndroEnhance.

1-T topical delivered and should NEVER be confused with the 1-T Liqua-Vade version that did NOT deliver this kind of results.

Here's what Eric had to say about it at the time it launched:

The first compound is 1-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one [aka, 1-androsterone or 1-DHEA].

This steroid molecule is very closely related to the original 1-androstenediol and 1-testosterone that were very popular prior to the 2004 pro-hormone ban. (1) They produced solid gains in lean muscle within a short period of time, with low side-effects. They where know as "dry" steroid hormones, because they didn't convert to estrogen or promote water retention and bloat. (1)

Unfortunately, those days are long gone. Well, not quite...

Take a look at the hormone conversions below. You will see 1-androsterone is only one step away from 1-androstenediol and two steps away from 1-testosterone. (2)

All it takes is a change on the 3rd or 17th position to convert 1-androsteone into muscle building steroid hormones. These conversions are made with the naturally occurring steroidogenic enzymes -- 3b-HSD and 17b-HSD. (3)

A special advantage of delivering the 1-androsterone topically is the super concentration of steroidogenic enzymes in the skin, compared to a relatively low amount throughout the digestive track. (4-8)

This is exactly what makes 1-T so effective -- 1-androsterone absorbs through the skin, so it's forced to convert to the desired target hormones. (2,4-8)

Having relatively low oral bio-availability and a high price, it was a no-brainer putting 1-androsterone into a topical delivery system. Being that 1-androsterone also has a low molecular weight it can achieve up to 40% delivery through the skin with our OHV topical delivery system, compared to only about 8% orally. (13,14)

1-androsterone as a topical offers the following benefits -
• High conversion to 1-androstenediol and 1-testosterone
• Zero conversion to estrogen
• Non-methylated and non-toxic to the liver
• Quality gains in dense lean muscle mass

Now, this is all very nice, but we wanted to take 1-T to the next level, and create a real muscle builder.

Truthfully, some estrogen is desirable for maximum muscle growth, so we chose a hormone that could fill this void and make 1-T an exceptionally well rounded pro-steroid formula.

In comes 5-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one. [aka, DHEA]

As you may know, DHEA is the main active ingredient in our other topical product Dermacrine -- which has proven benefits for improving body composition and strength. As with 1-androsterone, the DHEA is more effective as a topical because it is forced to interact with the steroidogenic enzymes and convert to more powerful anabolic and androgenic hormones that can build muscle and burn fat. (4-12)

Of course, DHEA can also convert to estrogen which supports GH production (11), immunity (15,16), sex drive (17), healthy cholesterol levels (11), and perhaps most importantly -- rapid gains in muscle mass and size -- and the engorged feeling of anabolism in the muscles. [known as the pump]

The benefits of DHEA [applied through the skin] could be compared to a moderate dose of injectable testosterone

If anyone on this board remembers this stuff (once again, the TOPICAL, and NOT the oral), please, chime in.

I'll chime in here. I've owned a bottle but never got around to using it, I must have sold it. I thought for a minute that the compound was patented. Not sure if it's the esterified 1-Dhea or not. I just remember Nutraplanet coming out with an oral product containing 1-Dhea and 4-Dhea and then pulling it because of patent infringement or so the forum said. Not sure if it's both compounds together that causes a problem or what. I'm sure Forerunner Labs would know the specifics. They had an identical product at the time. I know IML has 1-Andro RX, so, I'm all in if you can put this in a good topical carrier. Fairly confident you could make some good money but cover all your bases.

Yes, yes, yes. It would fly off the shelf. I never got a chance to try it as it was out when I just started dabbling in such things. But I do love Dermacrine and I feel this would provide an even better option for some of us.

i love Dermacrine and its effect, i would for sure try it and i am confident that Wes will
do a legendary item as always

I'll chime in too. First PH I ever ran was 1-T stacked with Turinabol (spelling?). It was simply fantastic, nothing compared. I ended up running it a second time a year after the first run. I tried the Turinabol by itself and it just wasn't the same. It was a great product, Dermacrine supercharged.

I'd be interested in trying it again, if for no other reason than how great it made me feel. I'm honestly hooked on stronger compounds for lifting and getting big, but 1-T did fall into a category that wasn't totally geared toward getting huge.

I have to laugh at this topic though, I saw "Ressurect 1-T" and thought, "FPR had something to do with this!"

Yes, this def will be a good seller!! I'll be buying

Great product with one caveat. Gel carrier or bust. I would reformulate with these doses:

150 mg 1dhea
50 mg 4dhea
50 mg 5dhea
18 mg pregnenolone (don't know much about preg, so maybe lower or higher is best)

Topical GEL CARRIER OR ITS USELESS

Never used it but it sounds pretty solid. I'd buy a few for sure!

Gel carrier ftw.

It's one product I always wished I was able to try and its all due to FPR reviews.
The way he describes it sounds so damn good and I've always been bummed I never bought any of my own.

After the last couple years of hearing FPR fantasize about 1-T like some past pussy, I'd like to hit it too.

"I would market it under the Nitrogen Boosting premise, aka "NITRO BOOSTERS" since one of the benefits of such a product would be a positive nitrogen balance"

Add UV protection and market it as a cosmetic sunscreen :-)

Interested.

"Boosts nitrogen in skin to enhance collagen formation after sun exposure! SPF 8"

ya i would buy some to!!! :)

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Originally Posted by weekend

Great product with one caveat. Gel carrier or bust. I would reformulate with these doses:

150 mg 1dhea
50 mg 4dhea
50 mg 5dhea
18 mg pregnenolone (don't know much about preg, so maybe lower or higher is best)

Topical GEL CARRIER OR ITS USELESS

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The topical pregenolone brings you up where the 1-DHEA leaves you down. Stimulatory neuro-steroid and balances things out. Definitely a necessity to ward off the sides from the 1-DHEA.

I can't even tell you my level of excitement thinking about this product making a comeback.

this is still dangerous territory, and you must be willing and able to back this legally...and be prepared to legally defend yourself:

HR 4771 states:
"shall be
considered to be an anabolic steroid for purposes of this Act if--
``(I) the drug or substance has been created or manufactured
with the intent of producing a drug or other substance that
either--
``(aa) promotes muscle growth; or
``(bb) otherwise causes a pharmacological effect similar to
that of testosterone; or
``(II) the drug or substance has been, or is intended to be,
marketed or otherwise promoted in any manner suggesting that
consuming it will promote muscle growth or any other
pharmacological effect similar to that of testosterone.
``(ii) A substance shall not be considered to be a drug or hormonal
substance for purposes of this subparagraph if it--
``(I) is--
``(aa) an herb or other botanical;
``(bb) a concentrate, metabolite, or extract of, or a
constituent isolated directly from, an herb or other botanical;
or
``(cc) a combination of 2 or more substances described in
item (aa) or (bb);
``(II) is a dietary ingredient for purposes of the Federal
Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 301 et seq.); and
``(III) is not anabolic or androgenic."

This section is what causes a lot of concern for folks in the industry

In other words, it's all about the marketing.

Market it as a natural cosmetic that can aid in nitrogen retention, and it seems to me you can avoid a lot of this slippery slope.

It could always just be made for Animal Research Only.

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Originally Posted by SoCal-Nutrition

this is still dangerous territory, and you must be willing and able to back this legally...and be prepared to legally defend yourself:

HR 4771 states:
"shall be
considered to be an anabolic steroid for purposes of this Act if--
``(I) the drug or substance has been created or manufactured
with the intent of producing a drug or other substance that
either--
``(aa) promotes muscle growth; or
``(bb) otherwise causes a pharmacological effect similar to
that of testosterone; or
``(II) the drug or substance has been, or is intended to be,
marketed or otherwise promoted in any manner suggesting that
consuming it will promote muscle growth or any other
pharmacological effect similar to that of testosterone.
``(ii) A substance shall not be considered to be a drug or hormonal
substance for purposes of this subparagraph if it--
``(I) is--
``(aa) an herb or other botanical;
``(bb) a concentrate, metabolite, or extract of, or a
constituent isolated directly from, an herb or other botanical;
or
``(cc) a combination of 2 or more substances described in
item (aa) or (bb);
``(II) is a dietary ingredient for purposes of the Federal
Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 301 et seq.); and
``(III) is not anabolic or androgenic."

This section is what causes a lot of concern for folks in the industry

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"has been" would mean that you cannot use the exact formula right?

I used 1T twice. It was my first "NitroBooster" I used after the 2005 ban. Pre ban I had used 1AD (my fav) a couple times, Superdrol a couple time and whatever shiny bottle the Supplement store guy gave me. I didn’t research anything them....

1-T was my first Nitrobooster that I really researched and investigated before trying. It is was what hooked me on Primordial. FPR is right, it was really good. I ran it solo, 2 bottles, 6weeks, 10lbs gained, really good strength gains, felt great, super motivated to lift. Im sure my memories are magnified a little because it was a supplement that actually worked at the time when everything else was crap. The lotion was ok but the gel sounds way better. I would shower then apply in front of a fan. It took a couple minutes to dry just like regular lotion.
Welsey, the way you feel on EpiAndro products is the way I felt on this. I don’t get the degree of awesome buzz you guys get from the Epi andro products. Tried the liquvade 1-T and it was crap. I got nothing from it.

$120 for 6 weeks, 10lbs, easy on the liver, and fairly easy to recover from with OTC PCT, I'd buy it again. Beta test me please Lol.

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Originally Posted by SoCal-Nutrition

this is still dangerous territory, and you must be willing and able to back this legally...and be prepared to legally defend yourself:

HR 4771 states:
"shall be
considered to be an anabolic steroid for purposes of this Act if--
``(I) the drug or substance has been created or manufactured
with the intent of producing a drug or other substance that
either--
``(aa) promotes muscle growth; or
``(bb) otherwise causes a pharmacological effect similar to
that of testosterone; or
``(II) the drug or substance has been, or is intended to be,
marketed or otherwise promoted in any manner suggesting that
consuming it will promote muscle growth or any other
pharmacological effect similar to that of testosterone.
``(ii) A substance shall not be considered to be a drug or hormonal
substance for purposes of this subparagraph if it--
``(I) is--
``(aa) an herb or other botanical;
``(bb) a concentrate, metabolite, or extract of, or a
constituent isolated directly from, an herb or other botanical;
or
``(cc) a combination of 2 or more substances described in
item (aa) or (bb);
``(II) is a dietary ingredient for purposes of the Federal
Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 301 et seq.); and
``(III) is not anabolic or androgenic."

This section is what causes a lot of concern for folks in the industry

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Agreed the legal aspect will be looked into first and foremost. Spoke to a few guys regarding this and thought speaking to Eric might be the best initial bet.

This bill, effectively "bans" food/protein/numerous other basic items if you want to interpret it as such. Food being the most anabolic product on earth and producing muscle gains, etc.. Monsanto..also Bovine growth hormone, used in cows, which we then consume. If this bill leaves open to interpretation to Attorneys and Judges and Court, then where does it end.Mind you I am being sarcastic to a degree..but truthfully does this bill is so broad, they can "attempt" to do anything they want.

It will take a Supreme Court Decision or someone challenging a pharmaceutical companies products that fall within this category.

Basically the bill says, we can make things up as we go and criminalize individuals as we so choose.

Anyways, you guys are awesome. Great feedback.

Cosmetic Sunscreen. I like that. Ty everyone. Follow up with this asap.

Cobalt..maybe it was cuz it was my first ph, idk..but turinibol has been one of my favorites ever..it was such a clean cycle..other than insane pumps all the time on 90mg Ed...there was no bad side effects for me personally.

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Originally Posted by Scope75

It could always just be made for Animal Research Only.

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Not if you don't wanna be sued it cant

Yeah there is a patent on 1-DHEA, you would have to work with them on licensing.

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Originally Posted by PM Supplements

Yeah there is a patent on 1-DHEA, you would have to work with them on licensing.

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Interesting. Who holds the patent on it?

I did a little research and apparently the patents are held by Eric Marchewitz, founder of that super reputable (sarcasm) company LG Sciences.
Womp womp.

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Originally Posted by Enuke65

I did a little research and apparently the patents are held by Eric Marchewitz, founder of that super reputable (sarcasm) company LG Sciences.
Womp womp.

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That's both interesting and hilarious at the same time. How does an individual get a patent on a metabolite that occurs naturally?

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Originally Posted by Freepressright

That's both interesting and hilarious at the same time. How does an individual get a patent on a metabolite that occurs naturally?

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Probably the same way Monsanto can patent everything.

Wonder how much licensing fees are

It was one of the very first PHs I ever used. The Strength gains were great, recoup and dry leans gains were exactly what I experienced. I saw a pic of me while on it a couple weeks back, and I was looking lean and mean (and dry). I only used 1-T that run. I gained 8#s over a 6 wks period, while dropping about 2% bf. I would potentially think about running it again… I only say this because I've gone over to the bright side, though I still take EpiandroHard while on. So I might run it after I would drop say tren, and just run it with test and epiandro hard.

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Originally Posted by O_RYAN_007

It was one of the very first PHs I ever used. The Strength gains were great, recoup and dry leans gains were exactly what I experienced. I saw a pic of me while on it a couple weeks back, and I was looking lean and mean (and dry). I only used 1-T that run. I gained 8#s over a 6 wks period, while dropping about 2% bf. I would potentially think about running it again… I only say this because I've gone over to the bright side, though I still take EpiandroHard while on. So I might run it after I would drop say tren, and just run it with test and epiandro hard.

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1-testosterone via conversion would be a nice addition to even the best test cycles ;)

I have these two blends right now... Never used a 1t product

Hyperbolic:
Nandrolone base 70 mg
1-test base 70 mg
Test base 70 mg

Insanabol:
1-test base 70 mg
Tren ace 70 mg
Test base 70 mg

Now yall got me a little excited :)

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Kinda thinking of running them back to back. I have 20 ml insanabol and 15 ml hyperbolic. If I did that I would prob switch to test primo ultra stano at the end for 6 weeks or so, then test taper.

y'all just need to start pinning :cool:

1 test meaning actual 1-test cyp, weekend? If so, you're in for a joyful experience the day after the shot..seldom hear a person pin without crippling pain the first few times..then it levels off..

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Originally Posted by nate3993

y'all just need to start pinning :cool:

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Even pinners would appreciate 1-T. Trust me on this :)

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Originally Posted by Enuke65

I did a little research and apparently the patents are held by Eric Marchewitz, founder of that super reputable (sarcasm) company LG Sciences.
Womp womp.

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This was confirmed by Matt Porter after PP closed that it was a reason Androseries was priced higher. Eric just enhanced the product with a much better delivery system.

With the new laws you guys have now doesn't this makes it illegal and if you bend the rules then highly likely to get caught out for it if the product sells as good as you guys are suggesting. You cant keep a good thing quite if it is as good as you guys say. I am sure plenty are watching on things like this and plenty of competitor companies over there who would be willing to cause trouble for you if you started it and its was grey or illegal.

No it's base not cyp. No ester lol


I've been crippled before in my day anyway

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Originally Posted by O.N.

With the new laws you guys have now doesn't this makes it illegal and if you bend the rules then highly likely to get caught out for it if the product sells as good as you guys are suggesting. You cant keep a good thing quite if it is as good as you guys say. I am sure plenty are watching on things like this and plenty of competitor companies over there who would be willing to cause trouble for you if you started it and its was grey or illegal.

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The new law basically did this:

1. Classified a list of popular (mostly methylated) prohormones as anabolic steroids and criminalized their use, possession and sale.

2. Classified the unnamed analogs and any other hormonal products marketed for the purpose of being anabolic or androgenic as such.

From what I've seen, the devil is in the marketing. If you sell DHEA and claim that it will enhance muscle growth or compare it to a steroid, you're breaking the law. But, on the other hand, if you sell it as something that's more accepted and generally recognized as safe, you're not * technically* violating the law.

A few caveats, though...

The FDA and DEA do what they want and when they want. No one has ever been safe in this game, ever, because they can do whatever the hell they wish. So, it begs the question, is it really any bigger risk now than it ever was?

Superdrol, Halodrol and a lot of the other popular designer steroids were technically orphan drugs and not dietary supplements. Anyone who sold any of that stuff at any time was at risk of a raid, or worse. There's always that risk in this game when you have a runaway government that selectively enforces laws as grey as the people selling potentially-prohibited products.

(The above statements were not legal advice. I am not a lawyer)

Big Fan of 1T topical here. Great gains back in the day. (It was one of my 1sts). I actually got measured for a wedding tux 3 months ahead of wedding, ran 1T, then I had to get tux re-measure because it didn't fit.


PS It really had great skin anti aging effects!