Best Things To Do In Recovery

I decided to create this thread in order to give some tips to each other about things you noticed that can give better results.

I noticed that if I chew a lot my food, take herb with empty stomach in the morning and then I do hiit exercises, I notice the herb working 2 or 3 times more comparing to taking it without doing hiit. Right after that I take a cold shower and wait until I noticed the effects, and then I eat my first meal of the day.

One other thing that I read but never tried yet is to take zinc and b6 right after orgasm, this would help avoiding a crash or minimizing it.

I also notice that if I wait at least 14 days without taking herbs, I get a bigger boost from them when I restart taking them, and it can get even better if I wait more than 14 days, I think its related to decreased level of estrogens, because we're basically trying to get a better ratio between androgens to estrogens.

I would like to read from you guys. What did you notice that could make your recovery faster and better?

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Originally Posted by Brazilianguy

I decided to create this thread in order to give some tips to each other about things you noticed that can give better results.

I noticed that if I chew a lot my food, take herb with empty stomach in the morning and then I do hiit exercises, I notice the herb working 2 or 3 times more comparing to taking it without doing hiit. Right after that I take a cold shower and wait until I noticed the effects, and then I eat my first meal of the day.

One other thing that I read but never tried yet is to take zinc and b6 right after orgasm, this would help avoiding a crash or minimizing it.

I also notice that if I wait at least 14 days without taking herbs, I get a bigger boost from them when I restart taking them, and it can get even better if I wait more than 14 days, I think its related to decreased level of estrogens, because we're basically trying to get a better ratio between androgens to estrogens.

I would like to read from you guys. What did you notice that could make your recovery faster and better?

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How many herbs do you cycle?

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Originally Posted by Cdsnuts

How many herbs do you cycle?

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I was taking mucuna, tribulus, maca, marapuama, catuaba, ginseng, blackberry/mulberry because I saw that is good for libido. Sometimes I would put other herbs too like ashwaghanda (made my anxiety better but made me crash with it too, so I stopped), didn't feel anything from rhodeola, licorice made me worse too

I noticed if I take rotate one herb every day I don't feel much results comparing to take just tribulus once every 2 weeks. For example I take them and then I skip the tribulus day and wait for it the next week. Tribulus work better like this. Ginseng I don't like, I felt like it was making me crash everytime I took it, it was panax ginseng. The maca I bought wasn't doing its job, mucuna and mua puama I was feeling nothing from it, catuaba I feel more libido but its not like tribulus or tongkat ali, its a different libido, more mental, its not like the other herbs that makes you feel everything better.

So I decided to stop all of them and take just tribulus once every 14 days and I get even better results, I'm thinking about rotating tribulus, tongkat and maca. I saw a lot of recoveries with these three herbs, I don't know but I think the 7, or 10 days rotation cycles weren't as good as one herb every 14 days, at least in my case.

Tribulus alone made my balls huge once, and made my chest flat (I have gyno). The problem that I was still struggling to stop alcohol and weed, and also too much cafeine made me crash hard.

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Originally Posted by Brazilianguy

I was taking mucuna, tribulus, maca, marapuama, catuaba, ginseng, blackberry/mulberry because I saw that is good for libido. Sometimes I would put other herbs too like ashwaghanda (made my anxiety better but made me crash with it too, so I stopped), didn't feel anything from rhodeola, licorice made me worse too

I noticed if I take rotate one herb every day I don't feel much results comparing to take just tribulus once every 2 weeks. For example I take them and then I skip the tribulus day and wait for it the next week. Tribulus work better like this. Ginseng I don't like, I felt like it was making me crash everytime I took it, it was panax ginseng. The maca I bought wasn't doing its job, mucuna and mua puama I was feeling nothing from it, catuaba I feel more libido but its not like tribulus or tongkat ali, its a different libido, more mental, its not like the other herbs that makes you feel everything better.

So I decided to stop all of them and take just tribulus once every 14 days and I get even better results, I'm thinking about rotating tribulus, tongkat and maca. I saw a lot of recoveries with these three herbs, I don't know but I think the 7, or 10 days rotation cycles weren't as good as one herb every 14 days, at least in my case.

Tribulus alone made my balls huge once, and made my chest flat (I have gyno). The problem that I was still struggling to stop alcohol and weed, and also too much cafeine made me crash hard.

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cd says to do a 3 week rotation anyways not a 7 day one. you'll still feel it at once a week but 80% compared to a 2-3 week rotation.

I do 14-21 herbs but I do often 2-3 a day. eg) today I did siberian ginseng + cistanche

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Originally Posted by Brazilianguy

I was taking mucuna, tribulus, maca, marapuama, catuaba, ginseng, blackberry/mulberry because I saw that is good for libido. Sometimes I would put other herbs too like ashwaghanda (made my anxiety better but made me crash with it too, so I stopped), didn't feel anything from rhodeola, licorice made me worse too

I noticed if I take rotate one herb every day I don't feel much results comparing to take just tribulus once every 2 weeks. For example I take them and then I skip the tribulus day and wait for it the next week. Tribulus work better like this. Ginseng I don't like, I felt like it was making me crash everytime I took it, it was panax ginseng. The maca I bought wasn't doing its job, mucuna and mua puama I was feeling nothing from it, catuaba I feel more libido but its not like tribulus or tongkat ali, its a different libido, more mental, its not like the other herbs that makes you feel everything better.

So I decided to stop all of them and take just tribulus once every 14 days and I get even better results, I'm thinking about rotating tribulus, tongkat and maca. I saw a lot of recoveries with these three herbs, I don't know but I think the 7, or 10 days rotation cycles weren't as good as one herb every 14 days, at least in my case.

Tribulus alone made my balls huge once, and made my chest flat (I have gyno). The problem that I was still struggling to stop alcohol and weed, and also too much cafeine made me crash hard.

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You're not going to feel every herb everytime you take it. There is a reason the program is set up to rotate a large variety of herbs. You're doing yourself a dis-service by skipping out on this part. Sometimes it takes guys a few months to feel the herbs, but with a steady rotation, you will eventually start feeling them all. I also don't recommend licorice. It really wouldn't make sense that one herb every 14 days is better then a steady ten day cycle.

I'm going to make a suggestion.....Do the program as laid out for two months. So if you have a ten day cycle, that's six full cycles. See how you feel in general after this.

What else have you decided to tweak? Are you doing everything else as written?

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Originally Posted by jacknap

cd says to do a 3 week rotation anyways not a 7 day one. you'll still feel it at once a week but 80% compared to a 2-3 week rotation.

I do 14-21 herbs but I do often 2-3 a day. eg) today I did siberian ginseng + cistanche

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Stacking them provides some interesting effects depending on what ones you're using.

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Originally Posted by Cdsnuts

You're not going to feel every herb everytime you take it. There is a reason the program is set up to rotate a large variety of herbs. You're doing yourself a dis-service by skipping out on this part. Sometimes it takes guys a few months to feel the herbs, but with a steady rotation, you will eventually start feeling them all. I also don't recommend licorice. It really wouldn't make sense that one herb every 14 days is better then a steady ten day cycle.

I'm going to make a suggestion.....Do the program as laid out for two months. So if you have a ten day cycle, that's six full cycles. See how you feel in general after this.

What else have you decided to tweak? Are you doing everything else as written?

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Yeah licorice was bad for me. I remember once I was taking like 14 herbs and I don't know man it seems I respond better by doing it every 14 days with just one to three herbs, it seems my body reacts better and the effects are stronger. I read a lot of recoveries and there are some guys that took only tongkat and maca, others just tribulus, so I think some people respond better to less herbs than others, I really don't know.

I do the protocol almost entirely correctly because when I was doing it 100% right there were some things that made me worse, for example, paleo diet tax too much my adrenals and I get worse and sleep way worse, heavy weights increase my cortisol and unfortunately even some calisthenics exercises makes me worse (if I do heavy workout I wake up with a wet dream). The rest I do everything, specially the cold showers that I hated at first but right now I love it.

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Originally Posted by Brazilianguy

Yeah licorice was bad for me. I remember once I was taking like 14 herbs and I don't know man it seems I respond better by doing it every 14 days with just one to three herbs, it seems my body reacts better and the effects are stronger. I read a lot of recoveries and there are some guys that took only tongkat and maca, others just tribulus, so I think some people respond better to less herbs than others, I really don't know.

I do the protocol almost entirely correctly because when I was doing it 100% right there were some things that made me worse, for example, paleo diet tax too much my adrenals and I get worse and sleep way worse, heavy weights increase my cortisol and unfortunately even some calisthenics exercises makes me worse (if I do heavy workout I wake up with a wet dream). The rest I do everything, specially the cold showers that I hated at first but right now I love it.

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just take the herbs recommended unless you're getting a severe bad reaction. it's not about getting an instant good feeling this is a long term plan and a lot of the work being done in the body 'behind the scenes' can't and won't be instantly felt.

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Originally Posted by jacknap

just take the herbs recommended unless you're getting a severe bad reaction. it's not about getting an instant good feeling this is a long term plan and a lot of the work being done in the body 'behind the scenes' can't and won't be instantly felt.

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This^^^^ Exactly.

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Originally Posted by jacknap

just take the herbs recommended unless you're getting a severe bad reaction. it's not about getting an instant good feeling this is a long term plan and a lot of the work being done in the body 'behind the scenes' can't and won't be instantly felt.

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I had bad reactions rotating herbs and I am getting better reactions taking it once every two weeks, the rest of the protocol is exactly the same and it is working exactly as it should.

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Originally Posted by Brazilianguy

I had bad reactions rotating herbs and I am getting better reactions taking it once every two weeks, the rest of the protocol is exactly the same and it is working exactly as it should.

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A bad reaction rotating herbs? Like....how? Because if you have 14 herbs you're still only taking that herb every two weeks.....

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Originally Posted by Cdsnuts

A bad reaction rotating herbs? Like....how? Because if you have 14 herbs you're still only taking that herb every two weeks.....

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For example, when I take panax ginseng I will wake up feeling tired in the morning, actually I would stay in my bed for a longer time too. Other thing that I noticed is that if I take Maca Root friday and then tribulus on saturday, tribulus won't work as good as if I take it alone with no other herb. I know it may sound strange but I think its estrogen/cortisol related. Maca will increase T and E and that's why my tribulus won't work as good as alone with no other herb rotation.

Just one thing that I would like to post here, its a guy that mixed your protocol with the progesterone protocol and recovered in 2 to 4 months.

Profile - elb - propeciahelp.com

"I just wanted to add my experience to this thread.

Current Protocol:

B12 daily
Vitamin D daily
5-10mg Progesterone cream daily
DIM once per week
Cycling the 7 testosterone boosters that CDnuts recommends on his recovery protocol.
Weights 3 x a week
30 min jog with interval sprints 3 x a week
Paleo diet"

"I’ve been doing a lot of research regarding why the progesterone might be working for some and not others. Cortisol/stress definitely plays an important role, apparently if your cortisol/stress levels are high then progesterone cream WONT WORK as cortisol competes for the same receptors as progesterone so CHILL OUT! (I THINK THE SAME FOR ESTROGEN)

Meditate (there’s a good app you can get in the UK called headspace)

Relax and keep stress levels low, go on holiday if you can, take some time off - whatever you can do.

Eat healthy - loads of veg and fish

Exercise lightly - too much and cortisol levels will rise (THIS)

Do all you can to get your body into a state of calm. I have also been listening to a lot of ambient and classical music while meditating as music therapy is proven to reduce cortisol and stress."


Just wanted to share with you guys, that some guys recovered really fast doing some things different. This one was really worried about cortisol, and that's why I'm not doing heavy weight exercises because my cortisol increase and I feel awful and feels like I'm getting worse.

Panax ginsing is not on the list of herbs, though. The protocol is not “up to 21 herbs of whatever kinds you want” it’s “from among these herbs, get as many different ones as you can afford, at least 7, and rotate through them.”

The herbal supplements were specifically chosen because, after 5+ years of experimenting with different herbs, CD found that these ones were beneficial for curing PFS. You rotate them because that way, you don’t build up a tolerance to any of them.

Some herbs you may feel more than others, but as long as you are not allergic (breaking out in hives, throat closes, etc) then it should stay in the rotation. It’s better and more powerful to have 14 - 21 different herbs rotating, each doing their own thing, rather than feeling 1 herb more powerfully 2 days per month. If you only take one herb every 2 weeks, it’s about the same as taking 0 herbs, in terms of long term healing.

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Originally Posted by LetsGo

Panax ginsing is not on the list of herbs, though. The protocol is not “up to 21 herbs of whatever kinds you want” it’s “from among these herbs, get as many different ones as you can afford, at least 7, and rotate through them.”

The herbal supplements were specifically chosen because, after 5+ years of experimenting with different herbs, CD found that these ones were beneficial for curing PFS. You rotate them because that way, you don’t build up a tolerance to any of them.

Some herbs you may feel more than others, but as long as you are not allergic (breaking out in hives, throat closes, etc) then it should stay in the rotation. It’s better and more powerful to have 14 - 21 different herbs rotating, each doing their own thing, rather than feeling 1 herb more powerfully 2 days per month. If you only take one herb every 2 weeks, it’s about the same as taking 0 herbs, in terms of long term healing.

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Exactly this^^^^^^^^