Has anyone tried the 25 mg HGH Power Patch from AgeForce? Ageforce.com | The Transdermal Supplement Patch Leader Under supplements header.
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Has anyone tried the 25 mg HGH Power Patch from AgeForce? Ageforce.com | The Transdermal Supplement Patch Leader Under supplements header.
I got a month's worth on some free trial deal before.didn'tdo shit but a month mayhave not been enough.
It's mostly been panned at Anabolic Minds, although lot of the feedback also complains about bad CS
I believe that a thread at PP's old forum shot their products down, not effective.
Yep, remember that also, the consensus was that they're a total waste of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobalt
Henryv had given an explanation on how it wouldnt worknt work on phf awhile ago.
They push it like crack over on AM, it's all the same chuckle-heads that were NTBM and AidsFactory (androfactory) reps if I'm not mistaken
Ok, thanks for the heads up. I was debating about trying some.
i was sent a bunch for free, did absolutely nothing.
A friend of mine bought some and tried them. I asked him if he felt anything.
His reply: "Yep! I felt like a fool for wasting money on them."
'Nuff said
Thanks for the reply's. I'll spend my money else where.
that's too bad. carl lanore of superhuman radio really pushes these, i woulda thought he'd research them before recommending them as he seems like a standup guy
I don't know about you guys, but I'm actually getting pretty good results from my AF patch stack:
DHEA + Preg
Fat Burning
Testo100
HGH PowerPatch
Recovery could be placebo but I felt a lot better even from the first night. And the stack seems to be accelerating my results of my fat loss since starting Intermittent Fasting. Felt a bit more of a sense of well being.
Of course I could just be a better responder than those of you who haven't seen positive effects.... or my mind+body just creates bomb ass placebo results. Don't care either way since placebo or not these results have manifested after starting the stack.
I am placing patches on the tops of my feet btw. DHEA and Testo100 goes on in the morning. Fat Burning and HGH go on a bit before last meal of the day after my shower and after taking off the other two patches.
Just thought I'd share.
That's interesting, I didn't feel a thing from itQuote:
Originally Posted by mrgodlike
Gotta LOL at the dosages. I guess it's the transdermal delivery that makes 1mg of Horny goat weed effective:)
Testo/100
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Wanted to update and say things are still going well and I can tell the diff between on days and off days of testo.....
There's a definite swag walk factor that the patches add.....lol. Again, I could just be a rather positive responder but I have dropped about 4lbs and it seems to all be fat that I've lost. You can definitely feel the slight stomach burn... and it has kept me awake longer at times.
Sleep is better, mood is better, overall libido and functional boost. No Violent diarrhea from DAA feelings either. I'm grateful to be seeing the benefits but also feel kinda bad for those who didn't get anything from the patches. Not wanting to claim that these are Jesus in a patch but just that i'm seeing positives from using them.
That's because there's only 22mg of DAA.
I can see that the OP has decided not to buy these patches but for reference, they are junk.
Scientifically speaking they cant work as the HGH molecule is too large and heavy to permeate the skin. Not everything can be made transdermal. In order to work effectively as a transdermal the molecular weight needs to be ideally below 500 daltons. HGH has a molecular weight of about 22,000 Daltons. So you see the problem!
In order to make HGH transdermal, you either need to modify the molecule in some way to make it pass through the skin or use a bed of small needles on the patch in order to penetrate the skin.
Taking the first solution of modifying the HGH molecule which I have heard some people say that Age Force have done, I call BS on this. Can you really tell me that some little tin pot little supplement outfit has managed to do enough R & D, go through enough trails and most importantly spend enough cash to modify the HGH molecule when the combined financial strength, intelligence and resources of Genetech, Pfizer and Eli Lilly who have failed to achieve this? Seems unlikely. It would be the equivalent of me producing a spaceship in my garden shed capable of light speed and above when NASA, the Russians and the Europeans cant.
As for the second solution, we know the patch doesnt have the needles as you would be able to see them.
There is the other reason why these patches have to be junk. HGH is a controlled substance in the US and in most countries. It cannot be sold without the proper prescription otherwise it is illegal. Now I know that no-one who buys an ageforce patch has been given a script for HGH before they buy it so if there were actual HGH in it then age force would be breaking the law. Hence there cant be actual HGH in it.
The really surprising thing for me is that the FDA haven't shut these guys down and indicted them - especially given what happened over at PP so we know they look at these things.
If I remember correctly I read that its a plant molecule the resembles HGH and the human body can not tell the difference.
Scam artist to the full degree.
Don't hold back... tell us how your really feel about the patches, Infamy! :rolleyes:
Probably the same reason they haven't gone after all the "homeopathic" HGH products, which is that they spring up like grass in spring. too many to mop em all down, so unfortunately they go after big guys like PP who present a steady target.
so many people i know are doing or want to do the HCG diet with drops. i know it's not HGH but the same info applies. both molecules are too large to be absorbed from the GI tract; if they were actually present in detectable amounts they would simply be hydrolyzed into constituent parts. and setting aside the dubious science of homeopathy for a second and assuming that homeopathic theory is 100% correct, they still cannot work as "Like Cures Like" in homeopathy-- a substance which causes a condition is taken in extremely dilute amounts to prevent that condition, i.e. bee venom for a bee sting. so taking homeopathic HGH or HCG goes against the principles of homeopathy (note that neither are registered with the homeopathic pharmacopeia). homeopathy is a bit like unicorn science anyway
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haQuote:
Originally Posted by Grape Ape
and ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Wait a minute let me get my breath, ha ha ha ha ha ha
Oh wait, these guys are serious arent they?!
If it actually did resemble the HGH molecule so much so that the human body cant tell it apart then it would be a chain of 191 amino acids, and we are back to the size/weight absorption problem!
Not only that but do you mean to tell me this secret HGH miracle molecule can be extracted from plants so cheaply that these guys can make a profit on it but Pfizer etc know nothing about it or if they do know about it they havent started stocking it despite the huge profit potential on it (HGH is very expensive to make and there are only a few labs in the world with the right equipment).
Scam artist indeed Mr Ape!
one of your best posts ever lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Infamy
I remember reading it on AM from one if their reps.
This is directly from their wedsite.
What is genetically engineered HGH? In 1982 the first medicine to be genetically engineered and approved by the US FDA was insulin. Shortly thereafter the technique of genetically engineering HGH (Human Growth Hormone) was developed. Prior to genetic engineering, HGH had to be extracted from cadavers. Today, genetically engineered HGH comes from modified plant protein. It is identical in every respect to the natural HGH produced by one’s pituitary gland.
Similar to what I remember.
Yes, what they are describing above is "standard HGH' i.e. the stuff that Pfizer, Eli lily etc produce. I think the proper name is Humatrope from memory. No (legit) company uses cadaver HGH and so in order to get HGH they produce it via recombinant DNA technology and that is what is prescribed today. Humatrope is essentially identical to HGH (well Ok there are some differences but nothing relevant here) and it is used interchangeably in forums and even in the medical profession sometimes with actual HGH. So all the same factors apply including the need to inject it as it cant be absorbed through the skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grape Ape
But as I mentioned above, the facilities and ability to make Humatrope are very expensive and there are few factories in the world which can do this. Age force aren't one of those companies that own them and you cant just approach Pfizer and ask them to supply you HGH.
If the above is supposed to describe HGH that is in their patches then this implies they are using standard Humatrope in their HGH patches. Which if is true means that it is ineffective (as it cant penetrate the skin) and it also means they are breaking the law selling a controlled substance.
So if age force are telling the truth and there is hgh in the patches then they are ineffective. If they dont have actual HGH in their patches but something else then they are ineffective if you want HGH! whatever way you look at it, the patches are ineffectitve.
Not only that but their blurb above is wrong as recombinant DNA technology doesnt use plant protein. It uses actual Human GH and E Coli bacteria. No plants involved as far as Im aware!
Id love to see a rep comment on this. Chances are they are some paid meathead with no endocrinological knowledge or training whatsoever though so we wouldnt get much sense from them.
Ageforce is a joke and they're scammers too. I've tried 4 different patches they made (guess I needed to prove to myself that they really, really didn't work). But the worse thing was that I got conned into doing the autoship b.s. and even when I cancelled it according to their procedure, they kept charging me every month. I called them and when I finally reached a human (and I use that term loosely), he told me he didn't like my attitude, cursed at me and hung up the phone. I'm having to go through my bank to file fraud charges to get them to stop. Just say no.
Hard to believe that something w/ GH's molecular weight is able 2 pass through the skin... I'd deem it ineffective IMO
Since you say "scientifically speaking” then I can assume you are in fact a scientist and also as a scientist I would like to pass
the following web link on for your review and intellectual exchange.
http://www.intelon.org/publications/YangBM2012.pdf
It is nice to meet a fellow Phd on this website. Is your field of study molecular biology or Nanobiology?
I would be interested in reading your publications, please provide a link when you have the opportunity.
I smell a rep
Benson over at M&M was dead on about this stuff... same things Infamy was saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by nanotechnology
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If this is indeed the case and they have developed a method for reliably passing large peptide molecules through the skin, whoever is in charge of their business development plan ought to be dope-smacked...the market for such a system with legitimate pharmaceuticals is massive and to be wasting time and resources peddling "supplement" patches off a website is damned near criminal.
Somatropin is an FDA-approved pharmaceutical drug. It cannot, therefore, also be sold as a supplement. The FDA also considers any hormone-containing topical to be a drug, not a supplement.
This is from a violation letter from the FDA to another company offering a topical HGH product for sale...one that did not, ironically, even contain any HGH.
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Moreover, under 21 CFR 310.530(b), any over-the-counter drug product that is labeled, represented, or promoted as a topically applied hormone-containing product for drug use, such as your firm's Derma-Tropin product, is regarded as a new drug within the meaning of section 201(P) of the Act (21 U.S.C. § 321(P)), and is misbranded under section 502 of the Act (21 U.S.C. § 352) unless an FDA-approved application is effect for it. Therefore, your sale of Derma-Tropin without an approved application renders it misbranded under section 502 of the Act, and the introduction or delivery for introduction into interstate commerce of this misbranded product violates section 301(a) of the Act (21 U.S.C. § 331(a))