Experiment with the herbs to get a powerful effect

Could you guys do a test just to see if it just happens to me or if it will happen to everybody else?

Is basically stop the herbs for a week. All of them. And then when you start again you first do a 24 hours water fast and in the morning after the fast you will take tribulus or Tongkat ali with empty stomach, after that you run for 10 minutes, rest for 30 minutes, run again for 10 minutes and then wait until the lunch time.

Try to see if by doing that you guys notice the tribulus/tongkat stronger than usual. In my case sometimes I do that and it seems like one pill works like 2 or 3 and I get a big boost.

Please do this test for me and for all of us and then post here the results. If it works this would be a great tool to accelerate recovery.

i might be able to try this in a few weeks, maybe others can chime in.

weren't you recovered from that alzheimer's brain medicine?

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i might be able to try this in a few weeks, maybe others can chime in.

weren't you recovered from that alzheimer's brain medicine?

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No, it wasn't me. I don't even know any alzheimer medication.




Anybody tried taking the herb after 24 hours fast and notice better results?

It would make perfect sense Brazilian guy, if it makes you feel any better.

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It would make perfect sense Brazilian guy, if it makes you feel any better.

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Yeah but I don't remember if it was the fast combined with the hiit training that made the herbs work better for me or if it was just the hiit with empty stomach. I would like to see others trying it because the result was amazing when I did this. And I would rather not fast because it messes with my cortisol/adrenal too.

Any little tweaks you pick up may be helpful for others. Regardless as long as you stick to the program, you'll eventually get the results you want.

Incidentally I just water fasted for 2 days to get rid of a stomach bug and then took cistanche. Didn't notice anything crazy, I would have chosen a different herb if I had have remembered this thread though. I don't normally notice much. I did have a bit more trouble sleeping, the extra energy could have been cistanche or just a spike in blood sugar....:confused:

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Incidentally I just water fasted for 2 days to get rid of a stomach bug and then took cistanche. Didn't notice anything crazy, I would have chosen a different herb if I had have remembered this thread though. I don't normally notice much. I did have a bit more trouble sleeping, the extra energy could have been cistanche or just a spike in blood sugar....:confused:

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That's ok, try again with 24 hours fast but with a potent herb like tribulus, tongkat or maca and post here the results that you get. I just noticed that taking herb with empty stomach and then do a hiit session you get more benefits, I need to try again but this time after a 24 hours fast to see if the results get even better. But this will have to wait ten days though.

I did the test. The result was worse, I had to stop doing the hiit everyday because I was way busy with my work and also because it was raining a lot. So the best thing is to keep doing hiit to improve your capacity to do it for more sprints and get the heartbeat higher, then the herb will work better. I did 15 hours fast and it didn’t get me a good reaction comparing to intense hiit and empty stomach (but not from a long fast, just the sleep fast, if this is a kind of fast).

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I did the test. The result was worse, I had to stop doing the hiit everyday because I was way busy with my work and also because it was raining a lot. So the best thing is to keep doing hiit to improve your capacity to do it for more sprints and get the heartbeat higher, then the herb will work better. I did 15 hours fast and it didn’t get me a good reaction comparing to intense hiit and empty stomach (but not from a long fast, just the sleep fast, if this is a kind of fast).

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Not surprising. There is a reason HIIT is only recommended twice a week max.

Your best bet for a full recovery is to follow the protocol exactly as it is outlined. Why you're trying to reinvent the wheel here is beyond me. ALL herbs are recommended to be taken on an empty stomach. But to do HIIT every day for the sake of taking those herbs isn't smart.

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Not surprising. There is a reason HIIT is only recommended twice a week max.

Your best bet for a full recovery is to follow the protocol exactly as it is outlined. Why you're trying to reinvent the wheel here is beyond me. ALL herbs are recommended to be taken on an empty stomach. But to do HIIT every day for the sake of taking those herbs isn't smart.

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I mean, I wasn’t doing hiit everyday. I’m slowly getting more resistant to training, I’m starting to do light legs exercises and not crashing, I’m not crashing from pre-cum anymore, so I’m doing light exercises and recovering and the better I get the more exercises I’ll be able to do. When I said I wasn’t doing hiit everyday I wanted to say that I wasn’t jogging/hiit in the week. But what I noticed is that jogging or hiit after 15h fast wasn’t good for me, I was too weak to do it.

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I mean, I wasn’t doing hiit everyday. I’m slowly getting more resistant to training, I’m starting to do light legs exercises and not crashing, I’m not crashing from pre-cum anymore, so I’m doing light exercises and recovering and the better I get the more exercises I’ll be able to do. When I said I wasn’t doing hiit everyday I wanted to say that I wasn’t jogging/hiit in the week. But what I noticed is that jogging or hiit after 15h fast wasn’t good for me, I was too weak to do it.

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You literally said "I had to stop doing the hiit everyday because I was way busy with my work , etc."

Bottom line Brazil, you're trying to reinvent the wheel and I can tell you based on experience you're just muddying the waters for yourself.

It sounds like BrazilianGuy’s plan is to use HIIT to try to boost the effectiveness of the 1 or 2 herbs he uses. That’s a different mindset than the one we use here, though.

Our idea is that you do strength training to boost androgens and androgen sensitivity. You rotate the herbs (1 per day) because these also help with androgens and androgen sensitivity. You fast or juice feast before starting the above two things because this makes you more receptive to androgen resensitizing and releasing.

You meditate and do breathing exercises to reduce cortisol and promote the release of helpful neurosteroids in your brain. You get good sleep every night because that is *required* for your brain to release testosterone, clean out certain chemicals that build up from being awake, etc.

And you switch to a healthier diet because that helps your gut, which plays a huge role in the release of your brain’s neurosteroids. The guts are our body’s “invisible organ,” which most doctors don’t know about, because gut bacteria can’t be operated on and there are 0 prescriptions that help the gut. (By the way, eating sauerkraut can be helpful in promoting the growth of healthy gut bacteria.)

It’s way more than just working out to boost the feel you get from an herb. Even if you feel nothing from the herb, that doesn’t mean it had no effect. Only big swings can be felt by us, but slow and steady positive changes add up over time, and that’s what actually matters. We care about the long term effects, not the short term boost that may or may not be felt by us.

I think the best path is to just settle into a routine that involves the program, and focus your mental energy on other life goals (entrepreneurship, art, learning more languages, learning a musical instrument, etc.) How cool would it be to be recovered AND you added Spanish, French, or German to your arsenal of Portuguese and English? Or you learned the guitar or took acting classes, tried standup comedy, etc. Or, you’re now making an extra $2k - $3k+ a month from a passive side business that you worked on for 15 hours a week for a year or two?

Don’t look at PFS as a prison sentence you have to serve before you can live again, use your recovery time to advance in other areas of life and don’t focus on daily symptom fluctuations. All the mental energy that goes into symptom monitoring/tracking is wasted, and it also sets you back because of the stress hormones. Just my 2¢.

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It sounds like BrazilianGuy’s plan is to use HIIT to try to boost the effectiveness of the 1 or 2 herbs he uses. That’s a different mindset than the one we use here, though.

Our idea is that you do strength training to boost androgens and androgen sensitivity. You rotate the herbs (1 per day) because these also help with androgens and androgen sensitivity. You fast or juice feast before starting the above two things because this makes you more receptive to androgen resensitizing and releasing.

You meditate and do breathing exercises to reduce cortisol and promote the release of helpful neurosteroids in your brain. You get good sleep every night because that is *required* for your brain to release testosterone, clean out certain chemicals that build up from being awake, etc.

And you switch to a healthier diet because that helps your gut, which plays a huge role in the release of your brain’s neurosteroids. The guts are our body’s “invisible organ,” which most doctors don’t know about, because gut bacteria can’t be operated on and there are 0 prescriptions that help the gut. (By the way, eating sauerkraut can be helpful in promoting the growth of healthy gut bacteria.)

It’s way more than just working out to boost the feel you get from an herb. Even if you feel nothing from the herb, that doesn’t mean it had no effect. Only big swings can be felt by us, but slow and steady positive changes add up over time, and that’s what actually matters. We care about the long term effects, not the short term boost that may or may not be felt by us.

I think the best path is to just settle into a routine that involves the program, and focus your mental energy on other life goals (entrepreneurship, art, learning more languages, learning a musical instrument, etc.) How cool would it be to be recovered AND you added Spanish, French, or German to your arsenal of Portuguese and English? Or you learned the guitar or took acting classes, tried standup comedy, etc. Or, you’re now making an extra $2k - $3k+ a month from a passive side business that you worked on for 15 hours a week for a year or two?

Don’t look at PFS as a prison sentence you have to serve before you can live again, use your recovery time to advance in other areas of life and don’t focus on daily symptom fluctuations. All the mental energy that goes into symptom monitoring/tracking is wasted, and it also sets you back because of the stress hormones. Just my 2¢.

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Fuck, I like this guy a lot.

& you described recovery for me perfectly..you don’t notice that your getting better at all, that’s how slow it is.. you would have to wait like 3-4 months then look back to realize your better.. the only time i felt a surge was somewhere in the end of the Andro run and right after. You get a noticeable increase in your baseline after a cycle they say, so that explains that, & also explains how they speed up the process a bit (still slower than one would like)....You don’t just wake up one day suddenly cured.. many people don’t even notice that they’re recovered, the shit just just dawns on them.


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