Saw Palmetto and Fenugreek...im in trouble!
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Originally Posted by
Swill
I'm surprised you had to use the exemestane on top of the DHT optimisation protocol man, I thought the DHT increase would take care of any aromatase? Your herbal protocol is tongkat and pine pollen is that right?... must be packing hell of a punch for you!
The RES100 hasn't improved things with me as of yet on my herbal protocol so considering a pharma AI if nothing improves soon... you'd go extemestane over anastrozole?
The nettle he is taking could be wiping out his DHT.
Saw Palmetto and Fenugreek...im in trouble!
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Originally Posted by
Freepressright
You could always play with some Exemestane dosed at 25mg every other day or every three days and see if that brings about improvement.
You'll know quickly if it improves things for you. I've actually had to incorporate some into my natural herbal protocol because I felt like I was getting an E spike. Erections became stronger within 24 hours.
I'm surprised. You shouldn't be having any issues on the herbs unless the nettle is doing what I suspected it would.
Saw Palmetto and Fenugreek...im in trouble!
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Originally Posted by
BBG
It does increase circulating DHT based on this study...
Or at least that component of it. That's it's in a lot of test boosters like BPS Endosurge (insert product placement here ;) lol ).
Yeah, but there's also studies that shows it blocks 5ar which in turn decreases DHT. it may increase circulating DHT in the beginning when it unbinds it from Sh BG. but once 5ar is blocked it's downhill from there. Myself and other PFS guys cannot go anywhere near it because of this. We were actually discussing this in the beginning of the thread.
Saw Palmetto and Fenugreek...im in trouble!
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Originally Posted by
BBG
I think I remember now. I literally can't find any studies on it blocking DHT, but I do recall it blocks DHT from binding to the prostate.
I did find this though:
I don't mean to argue the point, more to inform, but I don't think "studies aside" should really be a phrase uttered! It may make you feel bad, but that doesn't necessarily (it could be) mean it's blocking the 5ar.
Seeing as I have an intimate knowledge of what 5ar inhibition feels like, Im going to disagree. As unscientific as that sounds. ..
And I feel I need to clarify when I say blocking DHT. When something blocks 5ar it stops the conversion of testosterone to DHT. That's what I mean when I say it blocks DHT. This is one of the reasons it is used as a test booster. Because not only does it act as an aromatase inhibitor boosting testosterone in that way but it also boosts testosterone because less testosterone is actually being converted into DHT driving up T numbers.
Again, not all men are sensitive to 5ar inhibition. If any of the PFS guys want to take stinging nettle for a spin and then report back , I'm pretty sure they would all say it feels exactly the way propecia felt when things started to go downhill.
You are going to make me dig into my files, aren't you? Lol