Dutasteride Recovery Log

Hey guys,

I'm new here, and wanted to start a log to document my road to recovery from hell!

I was on Finasteride for 2 years with no sides, then switched to Dutasteride for a month, got sides, came off and got PFS (fuck). Symptoms aren't too bad compared to some of the stories I've seen. Mainly just insomnia, low libido, low energy, and digestive issues/constipation. Also occasionally get hit with pretty bad depression/anxiety and have seen some penile changes such as more veiny, etc.

It seems like my symptoms have improved a bit since first crashing in the beginning of August. I started off not able to sleep at all, now able to sleep 6-7 hours a night but wake up several times throughout. I also had cold/lifeless dick, which is now functional occasionally! However, I still have a long road to get back to baseline, and I still crash every 2-4 weeks where my symptoms all simultaneously get much worse for about a week.

So far have been following a Paleo diet (mostly meat, vegetables, and fruit), hitting the gym 3x/week, and preparing to start my first juice cleanse!

My first question is, how strict do we have to be with being low carb? I saw on TMO that we're allowed to eat fruit, but it's also recommended to eat low carb and high protein/fat. What would be the happy medium here? Thanks and I hope to join you all on the other side!!

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Originally Posted by covfefe42

Hey guys,

I'm new here, and wanted to start a log to document my road to recovery from hell!

I was on Finasteride for 2 years with no sides, then switched to Dutasteride for a month, got sides, came off and got PFS (fuck). Symptoms aren't too bad compared to some of the stories I've seen. Mainly just insomnia, low libido, low energy, and digestive issues/constipation. Also occasionally get hit with pretty bad depression/anxiety and have seen some penile changes such as more veiny, etc.

It seems like my symptoms have improved a bit since first crashing in the beginning of August. I started off not able to sleep at all, now able to sleep 6-7 hours a night but wake up several times throughout. I also had cold/lifeless dick, which is now functional occasionally! However, I still have a long road to get back to baseline, and I still crash every 2-4 weeks where my symptoms all simultaneously get much worse for about a week.

So far have been following a Paleo diet (mostly meat, vegetables, and fruit), hitting the gym 3x/week, and preparing to start my first juice cleanse!

My first question is, how strict do we have to be with being low carb? I saw on TMO that we're allowed to eat fruit, but it's also recommended to eat low carb and high protein/fat. What would be the happy medium here? Thanks and I hope to join you all on the other side!!

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Sup dude. Don’t include fruits in the whole carb backloading thing, look at it like it’s protein or a veggie. You can eat that through the day. I think the backloading is more for compelx carbs like pasta, rice, bread etc...

When you get far in recovery, to the point where your digestive health is good; & more intense in your training, you could actually throw some cheat meals in your backloading window..

Me personally I follow the diet breakfast and lunch, after I lift I eat a healthy carby meal......but after that through the night...straight whatever the fuck I want, I need all the calories I can get.... but I started this recently, im a year and change into the game & I don’t feel these things change my state like it would in the beginning. Same with alcohol even though I’m not a big drinker.. all the shit that’s bad for you I just put it in the backloading window.. which is pretty easy to follow tbh.

It’s at the end of the day too after I work and lift so mentally I feel like I “earned it” when I pig out at night.

Still, be STRICT in the early stages. At least a year.


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Hey man. Sounds like my experience almost to a T after quitting Dutasteride. Do you think the digestive issues are linked to PFS? I've had some symptoms that resemble IBS recently and I'm not sure if it points back to PFS. But it's easy to get suspicious...

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Originally Posted by RickTheRuler

Sup dude. Don’t include fruits in the whole carb backloading thing, look at it like it’s protein or a veggie. You can eat that through the day. I think the backloading is more for compelx carbs like pasta, rice, bread etc...

When you get far in recovery, to the point where your digestive health is good; & more intense in your training, you could actually throw some cheat meals in your backloading window..

Me personally I follow the diet breakfast and lunch, after I lift I eat a healthy carby meal......but after that through the night...straight whatever the fuck I want, I need all the calories I can get.... but I started this recently, im a year and change into the game & I don’t feel these things change my state like it would in the beginning. Same with alcohol even though I’m not a big drinker.. all the shit that’s bad for you I just put it in the backloading window.. which is pretty easy to follow tbh.

It’s at the end of the day too after I work and lift so mentally I feel like I “earned it” when I pig out at night.

Still, be STRICT in the early stages. At least a year.


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Awesome thanks for the encouraging reply Rick!

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Originally Posted by petty3112

Hey man. Sounds like my experience almost to a T after quitting Dutasteride. Do you think the digestive issues are linked to PFS? I've had some symptoms that resemble IBS recently and I'm not sure if it points back to PFS. But it's easy to get suspicious...

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I'm not 100% sure but I had no problems before quitting Dut. And based on what I've researched about PFS from this forum, it seems like the gut/GI tract has a lot to do with it, so I think it's more likely than not related

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Originally Posted by petty3112

Hey man. Sounds like my experience almost to a T after quitting Dutasteride. Do you think the digestive issues are linked to PFS? I've had some symptoms that resemble IBS recently and I'm not sure if it points back to PFS. But it's easy to get suspicious...

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It is part of the PFS barrage. It will heal along with everything else by following the protocol.

Hey guys quick update. After having a couple weeks of improvement, I got drunk while I was at a girl's house. I figured it couldn't hurt that much considering how clean I've been eating. Huge mistake.

The next day I felt relatively normal, but 2 days after (today) I feel like shit. Mental sides coming back, etc.

I feel dumb posting this but in the interest of 100% integrity and accountability during this journey, I want to update this thread every time I slip up. Going back to following the protocol 100%.

Also wondering if coffee is allowed? I've been relying on it to take shits regularly bc I can't really without it, but I'm not sure if it sets me back or anything. Just hate the feeling of having all this shit backed up in my body after several days.

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Originally Posted by covfefe42

Hey guys quick update. After having a couple weeks of improvement, I got drunk while I was at a girl's house. I figured it couldn't hurt that much considering how clean I've been eating. Huge mistake.

The next day I felt relatively normal, but 2 days after (today) I feel like shit. Mental sides coming back, etc.

I feel dumb posting this but in the interest of 100% integrity and accountability during this journey, I want to update this thread every time I slip up. Going back to following the protocol 100%.

Also wondering if coffee is allowed? I've been relying on it to take shits regularly bc I can't really without it, but I'm not sure if it sets me back or anything. Just hate the feeling of having all this shit backed up in my body after several days.

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I have tried drinking a 5 or 6 times during the my recovery this year. The first couple times was immediate regret. Like actual panic attacks while being drunk. Bad combination. Then I was able to drink one night and not have any downswings. So I pushed it to a weekend and had terrible downswings. Then felt almost recovered for 3 weeks in a row so naturally I partied hard 3 days in a row and boom, terrible downswing for a week. Moral of the story, drinking is a no go. At least for the first year or whatever. I wonder where I would be right now without all of those "screw ups". Especially the most recent one because I was doing so damn well. I'm kinda getting back to that point again thank God!
Regarding coffee, TMO recommends it!

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Originally Posted by alphacfi

I have tried drinking a 5 or 6 times during the my recovery this year. The first couple times was immediate regret. Like actual panic attacks while being drunk. Bad combination. Then I was able to drink one night and not have any downswings. So I pushed it to a weekend and had terrible downswings. Then felt almost recovered for 3 weeks in a row so naturally I partied hard 3 days in a row and boom, terrible downswing for a week. Moral of the story, drinking is a no go. At least for the first year or whatever. I wonder where I would be right now without all of those "screw ups". Especially the most recent one because I was doing so damn well. I'm kinda getting back to that point again thank God!
Regarding coffee, TMO recommends it!

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Thanks for posting this. This has been my observation as well. I've had a couple nights of drinking that didn't trigger a downswing, but the ones that did are devastating.

I woke up last night an hour after going to sleep to a nightmare of me getting killed lol. I had the "PFS wired/anxiety feeling" upon waking like when I first crashed. Super scary stuff. This is 2 nights after the night I got drunk. I really hope I didn't reset my progress.

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Wanted to attach this image of my progress so far. I've been tracking how I subjectively feel as far as symptoms go for the past 2 month; 10 = feeling amazing, 1 = feeling like dying. The days where I drank alcohol are in red. It's interesting how it doesn't always trigger a crash, but seems to trigger one 50% of the time. Never touching alcohol again, at least for a year.

Hi

Looking forward to reading your recovery, I have been looking for people who have been on both finasteride and dutasteride. I did it in the opposite order to you, first I was on Avodart which I took for 8 months, went off for 2 years then started back up on finasteride thinking it was a good idea (idiot).

Would you say that everything was as normal when you were taking finasteride and it was the dutasteride only that messed things up? I was actually worrying that maybe it's possible finasteride is worse than dutasteride despite knowing that dut is a much stronger and longer lasting drug.

When did you quit dut? If you're still feeling sides, not sure if you know but avodart has a 5 week half life. I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere from a reliable source that it takes around 6 half lives for a drug to be effectively eliminated from your system, so if you're still crashing then the drug might still be in your system but will be flushed out eventually. If things are starting to improve then it will only get better.

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Hi

Looking forward to reading your recovery, I have been looking for people who have been on both finasteride and dutasteride. I did it in the opposite order to you, first I was on Avodart which I took for 8 months, went off for 2 years then started back up on finasteride thinking it was a good idea (idiot).

Would you say that everything was as normal when you were taking finasteride and it was the dutasteride only that messed things up? I was actually worrying that maybe it's possible finasteride is worse than dutasteride despite knowing that dut is a much stronger and longer lasting drug.

When did you quit dut? If you're still feeling sides, not sure if you know but avodart has a 5 week half life. I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere from a reliable source that it takes around 6 half lives for a drug to be effectively eliminated from your system, so if you're still crashing then the drug might still be in your system but will be flushed out eventually. If things are starting to improve then it will only get better.

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Hey man. Yeah I was able to tolerate Fin pretty well, no noticeable sides for the 2 years I was taking it. Then I got greedy and started switching to Dut which fucked everything up.

First I had no libido while I was on it, then I stopped taking Dut and was just on Fin. Sides seemed to clear up for a bit. Then 10 days after my last Dut pill, I woke up in the middle of the night w anxiety, ED, and unable to sleep. Have been crashing ever since (almost 3 months later). Seems that I crash once every 2–4 weeks or so.

Yeah I was considering that it may be the long half life of Dut, but who knows. I seem to have a lot of the symptoms of PFS, and have gotten worse after quitting the drug than while I was on it. We’ll find out soon enough I suppose.

But I’m prepared to go forward with the protocol regardless. Will be starting my juice cleanse within the next couple weeks or so. Already on paleo diet and started implementing some supplements such as Spirulina, Chlorella, Vit D and Magnesium. Here we go!

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Originally Posted by covfefe42

Hey man. Yeah I was able to tolerate Fin pretty well, no noticeable sides for the 2 years I was taking it. Then I got greedy and started switching to Dut which fucked everything up.

First I had no libido while I was on it, then I stopped taking Dut and was just on Fin. Sides seemed to clear up for a bit. Then 10 days after my last Dut pill, I woke up in the middle of the night w anxiety, ED, and unable to sleep. Have been crashing ever since (almost 3 months later). Seems that I crash once every 2–4 weeks or so.

Yeah I was considering that it may be the long half life of Dut, but who knows. I seem to have a lot of the symptoms of PFS, and have gotten worse after quitting the drug than while I was on it. We’ll find out soon enough I suppose.

But I’m prepared to go forward with the protocol regardless. Will be starting my juice cleanse within the next couple weeks or so. Already on paleo diet and started implementing some supplements such as Spirulina, Chlorella, Vit D and Magnesium. Here we go!

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I think this is pretty common. It was definitely my experience. Symptoms were pretty mild while I was still actually on dut.

Hey guys quick update. Was doing good for a couple weeks, completely cut out alcohol, and things were starting to get back to normal. My sleep (my worst symptom) was improving, being able to sleep 6-8 hours most nights with only 2-3 wakeups throughout. I also noticed my chronic fatigue (which I've struggled with as long as I can remember, even before crashing) isn't as present, which may be due to my new Paleo diet. Also started realizing the decrease in poop frequency which I previously attributed to PFS, is also incredibly common among people who eat Carnivore diet (I eat mostly meat).

However, I started getting overconfident, and had some built up stress from work, and full binged to porn before going to bed, which I had managed to avoid for over a year. I felt terrible, and lo and behold, my sleep symptom was back in almost full force. Woke up literally every hour, feeling like absolute shit. Managed to get 6 hours sleep total but it was terrible, took forever to go back to sleep, etc.

I'm not 100% sure that the return of the disrupted sleep was due to relapsing to porn, or it may be because I ate a shit ton of mangos a couple hours before bed (heard sugar may have a negative effect on PFS sufferers), or who knows. But I wanted to post my experience in the interest of transparency in this journey as well as to possibly help someone out who might be trying to figure out their own symptoms.

After a couple weeks of plateau where things haven’t really gotten better or worse, I’m officially starting my juice feast. Hopefully this will jump start the progress again.

I’m not sure if you can even recover without doing a juice or water cleanse. I feel like I’ve made a lot of progress since my PFS crash by paleo diet and cutting out processed food and alcohol, lifting 3x/wk, and daily supplements, but it seems to have stalled out recently

After the juice feast, going to continue all of the above and start rotating T boosting herbs. I will recover from this shit!

Hey guys, I'm on day 6 of my juice feast (going for 7) and so far I've noticed a couple things: libido has gone down (although this might just be a downswing), sleep has been about the same, have had a couple random bursts of energy as well as random bursts of anxiety/fatigue. Also got a couple headaches the first couple days.
Gave myself an enema yesterday to really clear things out.

For the juices I've mainly been using this recipe: 2 apples, 1 pear, 1/2 lb mixed greens, 1 head celery, 1/2 large cucumber. That makes one juice so I'll make 4 of those per day. I hope my fruit to vegetable ratio was acceptable, or was I using too many fruits?

Happy to report I'm doing much better one week after ending the 7-day juice feast. Sleep and digestion are the most improved. Now able to take proper shits and insomnia has been 80% alleviated aside from still waking up multiple times each night. Mentally doing better than I ever have pre-PFS, which I credit mostly to the paleo diet/elimination of gluten and refined carbs

Biggest remaining problem is physical dick changes and libido, which is still below pre-PFS levels, but I'm hoping that by continuing to follow the protocol, those will recover too. Currently on a 7 day herb cycle and eating paleo/carnivore diet, just ordered a bathmate this week. Also doing nofap indefinitely (hope I can stick to it). Cheers guys

Well done on the juice feast, mate! Hope the gut and sleep improvements hold for you. Keep following the protocol to a T.

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Originally Posted by covfefe42

Hey guys, I'm on day 6 of my juice feast (going for 7) and so far I've noticed a couple things: libido has gone down (although this might just be a downswing), sleep has been about the same, have had a couple random bursts of energy as well as random bursts of anxiety/fatigue. Also got a couple headaches the first couple days.
Gave myself an enema yesterday to really clear things out.

For the juices I've mainly been using this recipe: 2 apples, 1 pear, 1/2 lb mixed greens, 1 head celery, 1/2 large cucumber. That makes one juice so I'll make 4 of those per day. I hope my fruit to vegetable ratio was acceptable, or was I using too many fruits?

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I realize this is a late chime in, but for others reading this in the future, there is no proper fruit to veggie ratio. As long as you get in the proper amount of veggies for mineral balance you're fine. The fruit is really to adjust for taste.

That and if you end up doing another one in the near future for some reason, you may want to vary the types of juices you make so that you're not drinking the same juice all day/week long. Variety makes it a little less boring on the palate.

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Originally Posted by Cdsnuts

I realize this is a late chime in, but for others reading this in the future, there is no proper fruit to veggie ratio. As long as you get in the proper amount of veggies for mineral balance you're fine. The fruit is really to adjust for taste.

That and if you end up doing another one in the near future for some reason, you may want to vary the types of juices you make so that you're not drinking the same juice all day/week long. Variety makes it a little less boring on the palate.

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Thanks for the response CD. Will keep this in mind if I decide to do another juice feast, which I just might bc I got a lot of improvements from the first one

Hey guys haven't posted here in a while. Hope y'all had a good new year's!

Just wanted give an update that I've improved massively in the short 3 months I've been on the program. In fact I can confidently say I feel better than I ever have pre-PFS!

Especially mentally, emotionally and energy wise. I feel massively positive every day, achieving my goals, and could keep working towards them for hours!

I'm someone who pre-PFS used to always struggled with low energy, lethargy etc. Even after coffee I'd work for an hour and get tired and have to lie down lmao.

I have no idea what specifically caused the boost in mental clarity/energy, but my best guess is probably gluten. Since starting the program, I haven't had a single drop of gluten, grains or any of that garbage. This improvement started when I did my 7 day juice cleanse and have been eating a primarily paleo/carnivore diet since (outside of backloading).

Symptom-wise my sleep is back to normal except for waking up a couple times every so often, nothing serious. This is up from barely being to able to sleep more than 2 hours per night when I first crashed.

My digestion is back to normal as long as I'm strict with what I eat. It's still in a kind of fragile state where if I veer off course my shits will be affected. I noticed in particular that eating high-sugar foods like mango, ice cream, etc. will turn my shit into a semi-diarrhea type state for a couple days. When I first crashed my shits were all this semi-diarrhea type thing, if I could even shit at all. No joke couldn't shit for several days at a time.

Remaining symptoms are mainly libido, which remains quite low, and having a veiny dick. Have read a couple recovery posts where they're back to normal in every category except they still have a veiny dick. So that is unfortunate.

Libido is low but it's always been low because I had a bad porn addiction even before PFS. On the bright side I've been having pretty consistent morning woods. I'm happy to say I'm on track to rid myself of my porn addiction once and for all and shooting for a 200 day nofap streak (currently on day 33)! I even hired a coach to keep me accountable lol.

I'm not out of the woods yet, but the path out of this shit is clear. Thank the lord.

I would like to give special thanks to CDNuts. Without you, so many of us would be stuck with this shit, with no visible way out. I was quite skeptical of your protocol before jumping in because I was wondering why you'd even put it out there with no benefit to yourself. Your selflessness has restored my faith in humanity. Thank you

Quick update: have been sticking to the protocol still. Got a Whoop band to track my sleep and heart rate etc. I like to have objective metrics that I can see over time, and it's especially good for tracking my sleep, times I woke up throughout the night, amount of REM/deep sleep etc.

What I've found is that although my sleep is massively improved since crashing, I'm still waking up anywhere from 15-20 times per night. I've asked my non-PFS friends who have a Whoop band and the most they wake up is usually around 5 times per night. So sleep is still kinda fucked but I don't notice it most nights.

Also I slipped up on my nofap streak and fapped a couple days ago. Made it to 67 days but was going to 200 so I'm pretty disappointed with myself. But anyways what I've noticed consistently with fapping is that it fucks up my sleep. I'd been getting 7-9 hours consistently, but on nights where I fap to porn I can barely get to sleep and I'll wake up after like 3 hours, so fapping just sucks all around for me.

I'm guessing it's some sort of combination of the light from the screen fucking up my melatonin, stress chemicals from the feeling of regret afterwards, and maybe the effects of the dopamine overload on the brain.

Another observation I've made is that porn doesn't excite me the way it used to pre-PFS. I've seen a couple posts from others on this board that have experienced the same thing, but I have no idea if that's something to be worried about or not. Who knows but that's been my observation.

Anyways back on the horse and continuing to stick to the protocol!

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Originally Posted by covfefe42

Hey guys,

I'm new here, and wanted to start a log to document my road to recovery from hell!

I was on Finasteride for 2 years with no sides, then switched to Dutasteride for a month, got sides, came off and got PFS (fuck). Symptoms aren't too bad compared to some of the stories I've seen. Mainly just insomnia, low libido, low energy, and digestive issues/constipation. Also occasionally get hit with pretty bad depression/anxiety and have seen some penile changes such as more veiny, etc.

It seems like my symptoms have improved a bit since first crashing in the beginning of August. I started off not able to sleep at all, now able to sleep 6-7 hours a night but wake up several times throughout. I also had cold/lifeless dick, which is now functional occasionally! However, I still have a long road to get back to baseline, and I still crash every 2-4 weeks where my symptoms all simultaneously get much worse for about a week.

So far have been following a Paleo diet (mostly meat, vegetables, and fruit), hitting the gym 3x/week, and preparing to start my first juice cleanse!

My first question is, how strict do we have to be with being low carb? I saw on TMO that we're allowed to eat fruit, but it's also recommended to eat low carb and high protein/fat. What would be the happy medium here? Thanks and I hope to join you all on the other side!!

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Bro literally the same thing here. Was on Finasteride for a year and did fine but switched to Dutasteride in late July. Only took two doses, one on July 29th and one on August 4th. Reacted badly to both of them and then crashed hard two weeks later after it reactivated Epstein Barr Virus (mono) for 3 or 4 months.

I feel for you man. It really sucks. Sleep issues, low libido, pulsating/throbbing nervous system, weakness, skin burning, feeling god awful in the head, and all of the rest that comes along with it. It's a nightmare. Keep doing the protocol. I'm 4 days in on a 7 day water fast and then picking up the diet again. It's the only way out. You got this.

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Bro literally the same thing here. Was on Finasteride for a year and did fine but switched to Dutasteride in late July. Only took two doses, one on July 29th and one on August 4th. Reacted badly to both of them and then crashed hard two weeks later after it reactivated Epstein Barr Virus (mono) for 3 or 4 months.

I feel for you man. It really sucks. Sleep issues, low libido, pulsating/throbbing nervous system, weakness, skin burning, feeling god awful in the head, and all of the rest that comes along with it. It's a nightmare. Keep doing the protocol. I'm 4 days in on a 7 day water fast and then picking up the diet again. It's the only way out. You got this.

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BRO! That's around the same time I crashed too! Crazy to think someone else was going through the same thing at the same time haha.

What's crazy is that before switching to Dutasteride, I thought all the people who were complaining of PFS were hypochondriacs and that it wasn't real. Unfortunately I was very very wrong.

I'm very grateful to have found this website, and that a way out exists.

Thanks for your support and good luck on your journey as well man!

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Originally Posted by covfefe42

BRO! That's around the same time I crashed too! Crazy to think someone else was going through the same thing at the same time haha.

What's crazy is that before switching to Dutasteride, I thought all the people who were complaining of PFS were hypochondriacs and that it wasn't real. Unfortunately I was very very wrong.

I'm very grateful to have found this website, and that a way out exists.

Thanks for your support and good luck on your journey as well man!

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Literally thought the same thing. I thought it was a bunch of loonies online who were convinced they had some kind of damage because they were psychologically influenced by online rumors. Damnit was I so wrong too.

Keep in mind, the medication takes 4-6 months to fully clear the system. We should be around that marker. However, small amounts of it can still get stored in the fat and skin and remain there for awhile getting released back into the serum. This is why the fasting is vital.

And good luck to you too. I'll check in on your progress regularly.

Bad news guys…

The past few months I’d been seeing great success while following the protocol. My symptoms were becoming more and more rare. I almost became overconfident, while at the same time getting highly disturbed at my progressing hair loss.

So I did something really stupid. I took Finasteride again. I figured since it never gave me sides in the past (taking Dut is what crashed me) that I’d be fine, but nope. I feel like I’ve fully crashed again. I’ve been depressed all day, not motivated to do anything, my dick is completely numb, my digestion is fucked up again and my sleep is destroyed.

At least I know that recovery is possible this time. But fuck, this sucks. What was I thinking, this time I’m just gonna try to move on from hairloss and let the chips fall where they may.

Starting a water fast soon, gonna shoot for 7 days. Coincidentally everything is shut down cuz of the coronavirus so now is a perfect time to start. Wish me luck!

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Bad news guys…

The past few months I’d been seeing great success while following the protocol. My symptoms were becoming more and more rare. I almost became overconfident, while at the same time getting highly disturbed at my progressing hair loss.

So I did something really stupid. I took Finasteride again. I figured since it never gave me sides in the past (taking Dut is what crashed me) that I’d be fine, but nope. I feel like I’ve fully crashed again. I’ve been depressed all day, not motivated to do anything, my dick is completely numb, my digestion is fucked up again and my sleep is destroyed.

At least I know that recovery is possible this time. But fuck, this sucks. What was I thinking, this time I’m just gonna try to move on from hairloss and let the chips fall where they may.

Starting a water fast soon, gonna shoot for 7 days. Coincidentally everything is shut down cuz of the coronavirus so now is a perfect time to start. Wish me luck!

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**Queues Darth Vader NOOOOOO meme**

Bro, you were doing so well. Shit! 😭

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Bro, you were doing so well. Shit! ��

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Haha dude I know right, fuck my life. Hey man at least now you know what will happen if you ever think of going on Finasteride again hahaha

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Haha dude I know right, fuck my life. Hey man at least now you know what will happen if you ever think of going on Finasteride again hahaha

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Well we could've told you that. 😂 I'm never touching that stuff again. No way! When this is over, I'm getting a transplant...if I even care about hair anymore. But probably just shave it all.

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Well we could've told you that. �� I'm never touching that stuff again. No way! When this is over, I'm getting a transplant...if I even care about hair anymore. But probably just shave it all.

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Just fucking shave it. Take it from me....you're never going to have enough hair to make it as thick as you want and it's going to get harder and harder to cover the scar the more aggressiive they go. I've had four. Now I walk around with a massive scar from ear to ear.....don't give a fuck. If only I learned how to be a man before I permanently disfigured my head. But thankfully, I learned after. All of that money and recovery time because of my own insecurities and vanity. Come to find out I look better bald anyway. I could have saved 40k and a fucking Frankenstein scar across my Bic shaven scalp.

My saving grace....when I look in the mirror, I don't see it. Out of site, out of mind. Never had problems getting women because of it. It's all in your head guys.....ALL OF IT. You instruct people by your actions on the type of man you are....YOU dictate that....no one else. When it comes to you, it is what you say it is.

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Just fucking shave it. Take it from me....you're never going to have enough hair to make it as thick as you want and it's going to get harder and harder to cover the scar the more aggressiive they go. I've had four. Now I walk around with a massive scar from ear to ear.....don't give a fuck. If only I learned how to be a man before I permanently disfigured my head. But thankfully, I learned after. All of that money and recovery time because of my own insecurities and vanity. Come to find out I look better bald anyway. I could have saved 40k and a fucking Frankenstein scar across my Bic shaven scalp.

My saving grace....when I look in the mirror, I don't see it. Out of site, out of mind. Never had problems getting women because of it. It's all in your head guys.....ALL OF IT. You instruct people by your actions on the type of man you are....YOU dictate that....no one else. When it comes to you, it is what you say it is.

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Oh this is an older post. I shaved it. It's gone.

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Originally Posted by JoeP26

Oh this is an older post. I shaved it. It's gone.

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Liberating, isn't it? Now you can run DHT compounds till your hearts content and not worry about a thing.

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Originally Posted by Cdsnuts

Liberating, isn't it? Now you can run DHT compounds till your hearts content and not worry about a thing.

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Indeed 👌

Yo, been a while since I checked in. Wanted to do a quick update post because I see a lot of new ppl to the forum.

So basically I've been following the protocol to a T a few months after I first crashed, when I realized it was my best option to recover. Started improving over the next few months, and have been following it about 70% for the past year (gyms were closed so no exercise, and diet turned into a looser form of paleo but still no gluten).

I'm pretty much back to normal in every aspect except possibly sleep. Sometimes I have downswings where my sleep is randomly terrible a couple nights a week or so. Or I'll wake up in the middle of the night and can't get back to sleep etc. But besides that I'm basically cured and will be doing a recovery post once I'm 100%.

I just wanted to reflect real quick on this journey so far. It's kinda insane that most people don't even believe this condition exists (doctors, ppl on hairloss forums, etc.), and most people who do have PFS believe there's no cure and that you're basically fucked (propeciahelp).

I remember coming across CDNut's protocol on propeciahelp where basically everyone thought it was a scam. At first, I bought into the groupthink and was pissed because I felt like it was offering false hope, and that it got my hopes up for nothing. But after a few more weeks of suffering, I realized this was the best hope for a cure and looked more into it.

As it turned out, everything CD said made logical sense and I remember thinking, 'how crazy would it be if CD was right about all this and everyone on PH was just lying to themselves and rationalizing why they shouldn't put effort into his protocol to heal themselves. That they'd rather accept their victim-status to avoid the discomfort of changing their diet, exercise regimen, etc.'

Well as far as I know now, that seems to have indeed been the case. To this day I interpret CD's protocol as a life-raft from the universe for those who decide to take responsibility for their situation and trust in the process and in themselves. We live in a world that is sometimes fucked up but sometimes merciful as well.

Shout out to CDNuts for putting in so much time and effort into getting your protocol out there to the PFS sufferers - you've truly saved a ton of people's lives, mine included. I have no clue where I'd be if I hadn't found your recovery post on PH. It restores my faith in humanity that you went out of your way to help people while expecting nothing in return.

And to the new ppl to this forum who find my post, let me assure that this shit works! I was skeptical as hell at first, and I remember thinking, no way it could be this easy to heal from this disease, especially when there's a whole forum dedicated to suffering from PFS with no known cure. Sometimes life is weird like that, but life has given you a way out with this protocol. Trust in the process, and before you know it you will be back to living normal life again!

Sorry went on a bit of a rant, but hope this helps some people out who are still hesitant to start the protocol. Cheers!

That's awesome to hear :)

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Originally Posted by covfefe42

It's kinda insane that most people don't even believe this condition exists (doctors, ppl on hairloss forums, etc.), and most people who do have PFS believe there's no cure and that you're basically fucked (propeciahelp).

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Yeah.. The other day I read from an article from a hair surgeon who believe that PFS exist, but that it was psychological and concerned only unbalanced people with mental illnesses, like a big nocebo effect. It made me laughed

I found another article calling PFS a Delusional Disorder with the Potential of a Mass Psychogenic Illness AHAH
Post-Finasteride Syndrome: An Induced Delusional Disorder with the Potential of a Mass Psychogenic Illness? - FullText - Skin Appendage Disorders 2019, Vol. 5, No. 5 - Karger Publishers

It's crazy how nowadays knowledge is accessible at the fingertip yet ignorance reigns.

However I don't want to consider PFS as something that defines me and let me in a victim state like some guys of Propecia Help. I read a study stating that 40% of serious illnesses recoveries were depending on your mental state. idk if it's true but it seems logical that someone who believe there is no cure won't recover.

That's why swolesource is awesome, it focuses on solutions for people willing to recover.

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Originally Posted by covfefe42

Yo, been a while since I checked in. Wanted to do a quick update post because I see a lot of new ppl to the forum.

So basically I've been following the protocol to a T a few months after I first crashed, when I realized it was my best option to recover. Started improving over the next few months, and have been following it about 70% for the past year (gyms were closed so no exercise, and diet turned into a looser form of paleo but still no gluten).

I'm pretty much back to normal in every aspect except possibly sleep. Sometimes I have downswings where my sleep is randomly terrible a couple nights a week or so. Or I'll wake up in the middle of the night and can't get back to sleep etc. But besides that I'm basically cured and will be doing a recovery post once I'm 100%.

I just wanted to reflect real quick on this journey so far. It's kinda insane that most people don't even believe this condition exists (doctors, ppl on hairloss forums, etc.), and most people who do have PFS believe there's no cure and that you're basically fucked (propeciahelp).

I remember coming across CDNut's protocol on propeciahelp where basically everyone thought it was a scam. At first, I bought into the groupthink and was pissed because I felt like it was offering false hope, and that it got my hopes up for nothing. But after a few more weeks of suffering, I realized this was the best hope for a cure and looked more into it.

As it turned out, everything CD said made logical sense and I remember thinking, 'how crazy would it be if CD was right about all this and everyone on PH was just lying to themselves and rationalizing why they shouldn't put effort into his protocol to heal themselves. That they'd rather accept their victim-status to avoid the discomfort of changing their diet, exercise regimen, etc.'

Well as far as I know now, that seems to have indeed been the case. To this day I interpret CD's protocol as a life-raft from the universe for those who decide to take responsibility for their situation and trust in the process and in themselves. We live in a world that is sometimes fucked up but sometimes merciful as well.

Shout out to CDNuts for putting in so much time and effort into getting your protocol out there to the PFS sufferers - you've truly saved a ton of people's lives, mine included. I have no clue where I'd be if I hadn't found your recovery post on PH. It restores my faith in humanity that you went out of your way to help people while expecting nothing in return.

And to the new ppl to this forum who find my post, let me assure that this shit works! I was skeptical as hell at first, and I remember thinking, no way it could be this easy to heal from this disease, especially when there's a whole forum dedicated to suffering from PFS with no known cure. Sometimes life is weird like that, but life has given you a way out with this protocol. Trust in the process, and before you know it you will be back to living normal life again!

Sorry went on a bit of a rant, but hope this helps some people out who are still hesitant to start the protocol. Cheers!

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Thank you.

And great post.

I "almost" put it in the recovery section, but I'll wait until you decide that's the case.

Thanks for giving back. This post will most definitely be read by someone who happens to be needing it the most.