Most definitely! It's a clear-headed, light and springy step kind of energy. Not crackhead kind of energy.
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Along these same lines, I think would enjoy the Shilajit pitch. This stuff packs a big punch of a nice, real energy. It just makes you feel like the energy is naturally coming from within, rather then being forced onto your system like stims. Almost like you had the best sleep of your life for 12 hours energy...The taste is nasty, but I've actually come to look forward to it.
I got some He Shou Wu after reading about how it gets rid of gray hair. I hit the net and read a lot of reviews from users of He Shou Wu products and it actually does work for some. I don't have a shit ton of gray, but enough that it's worth the experiment. Plus I've read about the sexual benefits of it, and I am 100% in favor of taking ANYTHING that enhances libido.
I am married to an almost 40-year-old nympho. Gotta make sure I'm always down for getting down.
The He Shou Wu flavor I really enjoy. Almost like a coffee.
The Hercules pre-workout is nasty tasting. Very salty.
The Spartan adaptagens are sour.
The Tongkat Ali is extremely bitter.
The pine pollen tincture is alcoholic tasting (no complaints) and kicks total ass.
You turned us all on to a damn good thing, cdsnuts! Thanks for sharing!
I'm loving these descriptions guys keep 'em coming, I'm looking to swap a few things out of my herbal rotation in favour of something more efficient.
You want to order some of these herbs, entropy! Great stuff.
unfortunately the prices of superman herbs are way over priced!
i get all these herbs from the biggest supplier in China and i don't know what you all will do when you find out the difference
in prices!
i just ordered and tried Pine Pollen and Shilajit 2 KG each! got it lab tested and confirmed it is
high quality
anyway the herbs are powerful stuff, and i will continue using it
Pine pollen taste is ok mixed with pomegranate juice , but the Shilajit is some how tastes like a very bad coffee
they give nice and clean energy like you said FBR and a very nice mood
and that is what i was looking for as i hate what pre-workouts do to my mood
i don't know how to overcome the taste of Shilajit, i will try capping some and see how it goes
in UAE the health authority do the lab testing as per my request
but i will pay the fees for the test and they will confirm if the item is identical to the invoice
and the documents with the product and if it is safe for human consumption and doesn't contain any harmful ingredients
Welcome Logan! Best board ever.
Looking at pine tincture and spartan formula for non stim energy and boners.
Thoughts?
Libido is skyrocketing. Every bit as good as an on-cycle libido.
I added a stinging nettle liquid, dosed AM and PM, to mitigate estrogen and attack SHBG. Did that two days ago.
Banged my wife HARD before bed last night. Fell asleep for two hours, woke up super horny and slammed it again. Woke up this morning raging again.
You want this pine pollen tincture, dude. Trust me.
^^. U don't think mega dosing the powder would be just as effective as the tincture..? What's the tincture advantage over the powder?
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Yes for sure. Also for anyone who doesn't know..tinctures actually extract a higher percentage of the product..then just taking a powder..then its in a liquid which is faster absorption and more bio-available and then yes, look at administration method. Under tongue would be more effective. Think of how u can ingest products..oral, sublingual, subQ, IM, snorting, I.V..each carries a different and varying absorption rate, and therefore effect.
DIRECTIONS TO MAKE TINCTURE:
1) Buy Raw Herbs
2) Buy Pure grain Alcohol
3) You can weigh out amount of herbs u want and do the math to get it per ML..
Dry out plant/herb (in sun or oven)or just chop up the herb/plant and place it in a jar to soak on the alcohol. Stir it or shake it daily.
[Method 2: dry out plant/herb and grind this up in coffee grinder. Weigh out the powder and then add the desired amount to the desired amount of Pure Grain alcohol u wish to use]
4) allow to sit for 4-8 weeks or even longer for best extraction
5) take cheesecloth, place over open container like another jar..and pour mixture into it and strain the solution into said jar.
6) Finished!! Dosing the product can be tricky if you don't have the weight..but u can simply try a few drops at a time and work your way up to a dosage u find consistent!! Can be trial or error.
For sure. But the excitement level also goes up quite substantially, which has an impact on overall hardness.
And excellent post on the difference between the tincture and the powder. The tincture extracts the androgens and concentrates them for easy absorption under the tongue.
Some people recommend doing the tincture for the androgenic properties and then doing a dose of powder for its superfood power.
Logan from Super Man Herbs explains how to make the tincture right here with this video:
How to Make a Pine Pollen Tincture - Pine Pollen Tinctures Made Easy - YouTube
Here's some more info on the powder versus the tincture.
Pine Pollen Powder vs. Pine Pollen Tinctures
Basically as was stated earlier the tincture is more androgenic while the powder is more like a superfood (though it still has the hormonal benefits). I see the first as more directly boosting, and the other as balancing.
Hercules was mentioned. Some people don't like the niacin so we just recently came out with a different version without niacin. It also has half of the spartan formula in it (cordyceps and rhodiola) as well as shilajit, giving it a bit more of an endurance, and mental clarity feel to it.
I actually like mixing some of the herbs, like he shou wu, into my coffee.
Our goal is to bring the highest quality stuff to market. Yes, its not cheap. But there is tons of crap out there, and most people wouldn't even know where to start when it comes to testing. Especially when it comes to shilajit, its not just whether it is shilajit or not, but the source and processing.
Anyone wanting a coupon, the tax sale is over, but we offer a 15% off your first order coupon on the site by signing up with your email.
If the tincture (or even the powder) really does deliver bioavailable androgens into your system which then act as exogenous hormones, how could this not be supressive on your natural production?
I had this very same thought when I first started using this stuff. I don't really have an outright answer to the question but I can tell you that after months of use, I'm better off then I was when I started. It really seems to work WITH your body rather against it. I'm guessing it has something to do with the fact that it's plant based.
I'm definitely not being argumentative and I defer to your experience in the area, but anything that acts on our androgen receptors is kinda working with our body (in a way); but all androgen receptors, including the hypothalamus. It's one of those things where you can't have your cake and eat it too!
I highly agree that sublingual dosing some things can completely change absorption. Just recently tried noopept at 10 mg orally. Had some effect, nothing substantial. Tried 10 mg sublingual, world of difference. Haven't tried that with many herbs, maybe I need to though.
When I say work with our bodies, I'm meaning it does this in a way that doesn't cause shut down. How this works is beyond my scope of knowledge. I agree with you being skeptical, because I was too. But I can tell you from experience, and as stated in other posts of mine, this stuff does NOT shut you down.
Now, maybe if you're taking super high doses for months on end it may, but again, I really don't think it will. I'm pretty sure it has to do with the nature of the androgens and the fact that they're not synthetic. Plants have the ability to work with us in this way. They are the Yin to our Yang when it comes to living things.
I have no research articles to back this up besides my own knowledge and experience with herbs and the many years of using various plant based modalities. FYI
I do the same thing. I hold it under my tongue for at least a minute before swallowing. And I chase it with Herb Pharm's stinging nettle liquid.
Over a week in and I feel like I'm on test. Could be placebo, I dunno. But I'll take it, whatever it is.
Pumps are killer, I'm horny all the time and I have good energy.
Stinging nettle raises DHT. I researched it for about an hour the other day. Everything I've read on it indicates that it lowers SHGB and raises DHT. It is not a 5ar inhibitor. I was super paranoid it was before I tried it.
Stinging nettle inhibits DHT from binding to the receptors in the prostate, but it doesn't actually lower systemic DHT. You're good on taking it.
Ive read studies that said otherwise.....ill have to dig into my pfs file and see if i can pull em out. Ive researched it pretty extensively. Then again you know how studies can be. Can you link me to the articles you read? I would love for it to not block 5ar, but my experiences with using it in the past have suggested it does just that.
I know there are whole groups of people that use it LOWER DHT. I don't see how it could just inhibit DHT in the prostate and nowhere else.
If I'm not mistaken I believe it's even marketed at Superman herbs as a way to lower DHT in your system.
Either way, I can't take it. I listen to my body over any study any day.
There are a myriad of studies suggesting that it could benefit your DHT levels. There's only one study that suggests a possibility that it might inhbit 5ar. But based on your statement, I'm going to assume you've taken it and felt ill effects from it?
I can tell you that I don't feel any ill effects at all. Right now I'm incredibly vascular, so much so that I've had no less than four people this weekend comment on how lean and striated I am. One, in particular, said, "Geez, I can see all your veins! What are you doing these days?!"
I'm not suggesting the nettle is responsible for that, don't misunderstand me. I'm just obviously in a very dry and lean state and the nettle isn't doing anything to take that away from me, nor is it robbing my libido. I feel like I'm on cycle.
I fully understand why you said earlier that you may never need to run a hormone ever again. These herbs are incredible.
But getting back to the studies, these show that the lingans in nettle root can block SHBG from binding into hormones, and thus increase free-testosterone and free-DHT levels:
[Effect of radix urticae extract and its several secondary extracts on blood SHBG in benign prostate hyperplasia]. - PubMed - NCBI
http://apps.who.int/medicinedocs/pdf/s4927e/s4927e.pdf
Plant constituents interfering with human sex hormone-binding globulin. Evaluation of a test method and its application to Urtica dioica root extra... - PubMed - NCBI
Interaction of lignans with human sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG). - PubMed - NCBI
Nettle root was in fact so powerful in a test-tube that it even displaces hormones from SHBG, making them bio-available for the receptors.
Now, in the interest of full disclosure, here's the one study suggesting it MIGHT act as a 5AR inhibitor:
Ameliorative effects of stinging nettle (Urtica dioica) on testosterone-induced prostatic hyperplasia in rats. - PubMed - NCBI
I'm going to listen to my body on this one. If I see any decrease in pumps, vascularity or libido, I'm dumping it in a heartbeat. I've felt the effects of 5AR suppression before and been stuck in the throes of it, albeit not as long as you were, but long enough that a taste of it was all I needed to know I need to stay the fuck away from it.
And I just looked on the Super Man Herbs site and nettle is NOT being marketed as a way to lower DHT.
Nettle Root Extract - Urtica Dioica - Super Man Herbs
Here's the writeup:
Nettle Root Binds to Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG)
The second problem is that testosterone and its metabolite, dihydrotestosterone (DHT) can be bound to substances like Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG) or albumin. This renders the testosterone unusable by your body as its trapped into a non-viable form.
Some of this effect found in nettle root appears to be from the lignans available, including the following six compounds.
Neoolivil
Secoisolariciresinol
Dehydrodiconiferyl alcohol
Isolariciresinol
Pinoresinol
3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran (found to be the most powerful one)
Several studies in both humans and animals have shown these effects.
My apologies. It wasn't superman herbs that made this statement directly. 2 or so weeks ago superman herbs put out a podcast interviewing mark wilson who runs a boost your testosterone website. He went into the fact that nettle is used to bring down dht levels. His website is the one that markets it this way. You can probably still access the podcast as they have them up on their site.
And yeah, I've run nettle before and gotten the same results both times. at first I feel absolutely great when my testosterone shoots through the roof. I'm sure part of this has to do with being unbound from Sh BG but the other part of it has to do with not being converted into DHT through blocking a 5 AR after a few days of being starved of DHT I crash. it basically does exactly what the propecia did to me just on a much much smaller scale.
And forgive the mistakes in this post as I'm typing from my tablet. I can't access the site correctly on my PC anymore for some reason
Hard to say. The problem that comes into play here is genetics. You may not have any issues at all FPR. Alot of guys don't. But then alot of guys don't have any drastic problems with propecia either. It's just a small subset of men who have a genetic disposition of being EXTREMELY sensitive to 5ar inhibition. You don't know if you are one of those guys unless you spin the wheel and see what happens.
I know I don't blame you for not wanting it to block 5ar....that feeling in the beginning is just so euphoric....until the crash. I also felt the same way when i first tried Stanzol. It was amazing. And then I woke up about 3 days in, in a panic because I could feel my mind/dick connection was gone. (No DHT) Sure enough, after some research, it was found that the active in Stanzol is also a very powerful 5ar inhibitor. For some reason many aromotase inhibitors also have an effect on 5ar, unfortunately.
So, given my history, these days I'm very careful before putting anything in my system. I have to be.
You could always run it for a week and see if you have any negative reactions.
Not to rain on anyone's parade, looks like a good site and he seems like a cool dude, but I think pine pollen isn't all it's made out to be. the miniscule traces of whatever hormone it contains are much too little to have any physiological effect. And hormone precursors? well, there may be phytosterols and the like but again I very much doubt there are any hormonal effects. that's not to poopoo all the herbs, though, as many of those are quality herbs that I definitely have felt an effect from. i just really take issue with the marketing of pine pollen, perhaps because one of the main proponents of it is David Wolfe (David Douche) and the guy is not exactly a walking advertisement for healthy longevity and male prowess. Also read below his guide to hormonal optimization, it's pretty funny. If it were written in crayon you might think a fifth grader wrote it after reading some wikipedia articles.
http://www.thelongevitynowconference...Approach-1.pdf
Anyway, cool site. will have to get me some of those herbs