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Tried to convince me? Labs talk. But anyway, there is nothing to talk about. Facts are like this.
If labs talk then no need for this forum, you'll be fine in no time, just jump on trt, you'll be great in no time.
Labs are the answer folks!
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You do you man, but as a casual outsider to this conversation, your posts reek of anxiety. Your cortisol must be out of the roof. Just take a step back and focus on something else.
I do think lab tests are good to see if you are getting better, but you should take them as milestones rather than "oh I'm better". I have a blood test on Friday, but I am only doing it so that I can keep track of progress on top of how I am physically feeling. Basically, if I see them rising somewhat I know I am doing something right and am heading in the right direction.
Dude, natures biggest concern is that you have a working dick lol. It's practically the reason we exist. Do you really think we would be here as a species if we couldn't recover from something like this?
That's what I am talking about, I was doing great with herbs and just after Pine Pollen, my erection strengh has changed..not working fine as before, this is me. It doen't mean it's the same for Others, but I am pretty sure PP made something on me, that's what I am guessing then about estrogens...nothing else.
Hey guys, I don't know if this is me being crazy or if this is the same for all of you.
2 weeks ago I had such an emotional week cause I got broke with a girl "I was with".
The first week after that I was flat, sad etc... but this last week, even being so sad, I got like crazy about sex as a "maniac", I mean things started working more down there and in my brain (not as they should, but shit I was horny as hell)... I kept masturbating 2/3 times per day all week long...
The thing that makes me crazy and I can not stand, is the fact that few hours before I feel my dick numb and few hours later it turns aroused as hell..
So I seriously feel like if I am getting crazy, I mean this rollercoster makes me crazy................. it's a rollercoster ok, but is it normal? I seriously pass from a situation of feeling like a 90's years old man to feeling f*** horny...
I am getting crazy on this situation, no joke!
Thats good to hear Biatch, but you should really control yourself when it comes to the masturbation aspect.
The rubber banding is normal however... Maybe not so much in the hour aspect though. Most people go days feeling bad, then days feeling good. The fact that you are masturbating so much during the 'good' time could be causing the fluctuations to be a alot more abrupt and jarring.
Yes, from some aspects it should be considerated a good news!..and I can confirm I am black and white compared to just 2 months ago.
The thing is that the difference between the good moments/days is too drastically strong compared to the bad moments and it seriously left on me a precarious person behavior.
I have some numbers, please guys what do you think?
Expecially about that estradiol stiLl keeping staying that low (I am sure it is because I used arimidex 3 days at o.5 in February).
FREE TESTO: 14.4 pg/ML 15-50
TOTAL TESTO: 21.05 nmol/L 8-42
Diidrotestosterone: 344 pg/Ml 300- 1060
ESTRADIOL: 5 pg/Ml 7.63-42.60
LH 2.98 mlU/mL 1.8-8.16
FSH 4.35 mUl/mL 1.37-13.58
Suggest: should I run R andro or avoid it?
I guess if I could push up the estro a little, I would feel better..
What does R andro do to the estro? Lower them or what?
Thanks
I am doing it all from 2 months. The only thing I am skipping at the moment is the cold shower from 3 weeks because I got a strong flue (I think because of that). By the way I can say I do feel much better before starting the protocol. The only issue I am afraid is the low estrogens and I am thinking it s due from the arimidex.
No breathing as well. Sorry forgot about that. By the way I am concerned about estrogens. I know The breathing will help to calm me down but the estrogens issue is there by numbers and They re seriously low.
So I need to fix that. How?
Watch the notebook. That should raise your estrogen level nicely.
Joking obviously. I dont know what raises estrogen. Im think DHEA does, but better wait on Tubzy or someone who actually knows what they are talking about.
I am pretty sure it depends from my not big testosterone numbers but I do feel my bodi anni the aromatasi could be blocked since I used arimidex even if for just 3 times at 0.5. They re too low, no way. By the way, since my previous blood test, LH significally raised, testo raised a bit and free testo raised as well.. So things are improving and feel it...The estrogens is the main issue I guess.
Yes...I know...estrogen...you've mentioned it in the last 10 posts.
And you forgot about the breathing? Is there anything else that you may have forgotten about concerning this? I'm willing to bet that you're not doing all you can in this regards.
Let me explain a little something to you in regards to how this protocol works. EVERYTHING outlined in the regimen is designed to work on every bodily system you have. Why? Because when you fix the body as a whole, everything falls into place....eventually. When? No one can say as it depends on a myriad of variables. But it WILL happen. It has no choice but to happen given you stick to what is outlined.
Trying to fix yourself piece meal is not going to work out that well for you. Do you have the game wack-a-mole in Italy? This is what it's like when you try and fix yourself like you would a machine. You smack down one thing and then another one pops up somewhere else. It's an endless game that we usually can't win. Our minds don't have the capacity compared to the "intelligence" of the body when it comes to this. The human body is not a machine and needs to be treated as a whole organism, which is what it is.
This is not propecia help. This section of the forum on this board is for people who are interested in treating themselves correctly to bring about the balance which was lost because of 5 ar inhibition. It works if you work it. If that is not something you're interested in doing, perhaps this isn't the best place for you? We're not guessing here. We know how to fix it. The sooner you get on board, the sooner you'll heal. It is very simple really. I'm saying this because given your posts, it doesn't seem like you get the theme here?
Labs are only going to get you so far. They don't really mean much when it comes to PFS.
Stop wasting time, and start doing what is necessary. Forget everything you think you know, and trust the regimen.
It seems as though more and more people from other boards are coming here, but not really understanding the gist of what it is we do here. If you're going to ask the same questions and do the same things as you would on those other boards here, you're not going to get the results you wanted to get by coming here in the first place.
Why is it that you came here and didn't just stay on those other boards? You need to know the answer to that question...you need to get CLEAR on what it is that you want out of this board.
I do agree with you about the mentality and that s what I am doing since today following the protocol (expect the breathing and cold shower just because I got Sick Last weeks).. Said this I am following it and I trust it. My attention about the estrogens is just because I want to run R andro to give a boost more to my recovery and I dont want to hurt myself more.. So I guess it is licit to ask myself if in this position (regarding estrogens) it is the right case. What should I do? Consume a peoduct or something (prohormones) just because it is on the protocol? I mean, that s a prohormones, not a kandy or a sweet and that plays on estrogens as well, so I am sorry if I am not the user who do use things just because somebody tells him to do, I am the one who try first to understand if it is the case and since now I accepted the game and to follow the protocol by using herbs etc.. prohormones is a different game in my opinion and I m just considering it deeper and once here is a good logic to run it I then run it 100%.. otherwise I am not sure, and I dont know if this the case by my numbers, if you are giving me a good tips and logic it could be, I would consider it.. I am just asking for help, nothig more.
The only way for you to know is to take it and see what happens. Nothing on this protocol is going to hurt you or set you back more than you already are.
And you are doing the protocol just because other people told you it would help, aren't you? You have to understand when it comes to this regimen nothing is guessed upon or left to chance.
If you take it for a day or two and you don't feel phenomenal then perhaps it's too soon and you go back to rotating the herbs and doing the rest of the protocol.
The benefits given by the r Andro May work out in your favor despite your low estrogen. Again, labs are not determinant upon how you're going to feel when you have PFS
Try it... Start out at 200 mg a day for a couple of days and see how you respond. This is your best bet forward
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Ok that s a good answer in my opinion and I thank you to "clarify" my questions about R anḍ about extremely low estrogens. I can try it out as you mentioned.. if anyone (Tubzy) has any suggest I thanks. Thank you Cdnuts!
Guys,
I hope you do not get me wrong. We are all here just looking for help and I am based on my feelings and numbers (I know numbers mean nothing).
But I am here as a PFS user and I recovered from it once (80%). I then used a prohormones who shuted me down and later arimidex who shutted down my aromatasi enzyme as well.
Because of this, I had different blood tests between January till now and my estrogens used to be in range, but after arimidex (I used it in February) they dropped down and they re still very low...
I would like to ask if you guys think that soy and fitoestrogens (coming from food) would be a good idea to run fo a while and try for a while trying to raise my estrogens up and see how I do feel.
I was orinted to run R andro as part of the protocol, but in my case (being shuted down) I don't guess it is an optimal idea in this moment.
Any suggest?
Don't get me wrong or in a bad sight if at this stage I am deviating from the written protocol I am following regarding herbs, gym, diet, cold showers (when I am not sick) etc.
Thank you
Listen... You keep asking the same question over and over again and we keep giving you the same answer but you are not accepting it.
You're simply not listening to the advice that we are giving you. Stop focusing on your numbers and start doing the protocol. Just because you keep asking us the same question over and over again doesn't mean you're going to get a different answer.
You're coming about this all the wrong way.
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I would say just try the R andro and see how you feel. Labs aren't really going to do much at all I wouldn't even pay attention to them anymore (I stopped a long time ago, they just gave me more anxiety). Your best bet with PFS is to go how you feel. You probably saw some people have recovered from all different types of things, but just try the herbs and R andro and see how you feel. If you feel worse than just drop it.
If you wanted to raise estrogen, 15mg or higher of DHEA daily should raise estrogen to an extent and also DHT perhaps, but again DHEA isn't a cure for PFS unfortunately (even if you got your estrogen back into normal range, you will still probably feel the exact same you are feeling now)
Exactly.
The sooner you realize Biatch that those numbers don't mean much, the sooner you'll start getting somewhere.
STOP WORRYING ABOUT THE NUMBERS.
You could have PERFECT numbers and still be feeling shitty with symptoms. PFS is more then the numbers on a lab page.
You keep saying you're coming here for advice, but you're not taking the advice that we're giving you? What is the point then?
You really wanted to call him biatch again didn't you?
Ok guys, I got your point of view and I thank you for the answers and patience to keep replying me "at the same question".
I really got so fucked up cause I just broke up with the girl I was "in love with" and it really sucks, I mean it sucks even more being on this PFS condition where you understand you can not do too much and you feel "impotent" to life...
Plus I feel so sad cause I got fucked up for the second time again after I already recovered once, and I can not forgive myself for this... it is not easy being inside this crap game again...I can't even believe I am back in this issue since I got my life back and BANG, I got killed another time... so I do apologize if I got heavy also with you guys but I am scared as hell...I know I know, I should controll this but at the moment my sadness is at the top for all these things happining together.
By the way I am still running herbs and they are really helping me.
Yesterday I went back to my endo doctor with my labs and he told me I do have a problem and want me to run a cycle of NEBID (UNDOCANOATED TESTOSTERONE) but I guess I won't run it and if I do have to run something I then prefer to give a first shot to R andro as you guys did..
At the moment I am thinking about what will be my next step, if staying on the herbs that are slowly increasing my T (as proven from my labs) or run R andro... I know you suggest me to give it a try but WOW, I am in an emotional state of mind where I could really freak out and I am not sure to be responsible of my future behavior, I mean everything is fluctating and making me feel different every single days, plus by nature I am an aggressive person, kind of violent/nervous and I am afraid to not be able to control it and start fighting with somebody...... so I am really thinking deep about how to move.
I would like to thank you anyway for your support and I will keep you updated asap on my decision.
Thank you.
Sorry to hear all that man. Breakups are never fun, but I can't imagine going through one with PFS.
In terms of the prohormone, there is nothing else we can tell you dude. You know our opinion, you know the parameters of the situation - you'll just have to make a decision. Maybe if you're this obsessed and worried about the Andro, you could just wait until you're doing a little better physically and psychologically.
I dont think it will hurt you, I'm just saying you seem way too obsessed with it and should just focus on something else for awhile, perhaps.
Heheh... ive been there bro.. i know the feeling. no girl has ever put up with my pfs. and ive had many opportunities. beautiful women too.
i know its hard right now, because youre going through the initial break up phase, but once you can learn to block all of that out, and just focus on yourself and healing, you will truly become empowered, like i have, and nothing can phase you. you will heal, and you will be in that promised land state, and the world will be yours.
i have a few girls that are talking to me right now, and i honestly dont even care what they think. and its empowering. im just fighting the pfs battle, and i know that the only true thing that matters is me healing. and when healed, i can do whatever i set my mind to, and have the woman of my dreams.
stop worrying about the labs bro. ive had perfectly normal total testosterone levels in the 600s range the whole time while having pfs. and i still had pfs, and a pfs dick. they truly are irrelevant like many members here have said. its all about how YOU feel. You will just simply know...
What herbs have you been using? Are you back on the pine pollen?
All listed from Cdnuts..I mean 90% of them but I am not using PP anymore at the moment.
I mean, I started out with 8, then I ordered them little by little from Herbs Empire till I got almost all of them now...
Brilliant example man. Unfortunately that wack-a-mole approach is the paradigm of today's medicine.
Listen biatch, stop giving so much of a deal about labs. I know they can shed some clues but they are not the ultimate indicator of our
Condition. I did some on myself about 2 weeks after crashing ( at my worst) and everything came in range. According to the labs I was a healthy 27yo male. Did I feel like it? Hell no, more like an 70yo decaying asexual freak.
Ok. I know myself very well and I know I am iper super ultra reactive to any ingredient I am ingestig in my body.. So I just took 1 R andro pill and I feel energized and my brain got that libido information back. It is all about hormones, no way. I am just sure that I do need to boost my testo up as it was.. but I can feel the R andro working... by the way, what about my estrogens??LOL (kidding about estrogens obvioisly)
If you don't get any negative affects, you may as well do the whole cycle now.
I just took it once (yesterday)..and after that I felt comvulsions all night , joints, hands, muscolar and stomach pain.. I even can not walk and just feel I need to sleep..I m sorry to push again about that, but here is something going on with my low estro..I feEl like i am dieing. I am in bed all day, I can t even stand up.
Listen... You need to cleanse. Either a two or three week-long juice feast or two week water fast at a fasting Clinic.
There's no point in going on like this back and forth.
You know what you have to do you just have to do it. At this point you're basically just whining
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I tryed R andro but I feel shitty today. That s not my fault. I m in bed with pain all over my body.
"I tried it but I feel shitty." Lol. I felt like death for the entire month of my cleanse and for weeks afterwards and still feel shitty the majority of the time. What's your point? Because you feel bad you think you don't need to cleanse? Toughen up and stop going in circles, I'm losing patience with you as well.