Im thinking of trying the prohormones in about a month. What brand did you take and how many cycles(bottles) did it take to get the results you wanted?
Its so I can bulk order.
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(And to those who think if I rly had to say this)
yes I had to say it
@bankaii so glad someone said this. I love swole source too!
Jerry! Jerry!
I'm happy to be here and I will be an amazing addition to the community...if not, the mods will ban me. Just like they'll do to anyone who causes drama on this board
This thread looks so much happier now
Effort is paying off
Bone pain is gone
Bio-mechanics more stable
Hand and wrist strength is recovered
Bone will increase overtime
Steady gains at the gym
I'm 80-85% recovered overall
Keep at it guys!
I'm steady at 85% recovered
I think my stagnant progress may be due to my fat loss struggle. Too many cheat meals/sodas.
Hopefully I will be disciplined 100% for 2021. I think with losing that fat, my T and DHT should hit their max and I will be at 110%.
Keep at it guys. Move from your city or state if you must to find an open gym. Recovery is priority, then all else will fall into place.
And guys please don't go vegan. Its destructive long-term.
Hi Hulk, could i know what are the remaining 15% u r (not) experiencing? Only fat loss problems? What bout sexually?
I don't think you sounded rude at all and there is nothing for you to apologize for. We as people tend to only focus on what is wrong, and not what is right. Human nature I guess, but that one little change in perception and the way you look at things goes a long way.
Hello hulk did you revocover from the bone loss?
I gave some detail on my progress in the other thread...
But here are a few links on how DHT and lean body mass affect cortical bone mass(outer layer of bone, which is where some of us have been affected).
It will likely take a few months to a few years of very consistent routine and discipline to see noticeable outer layer recovery.
I still conclude that it should recover to some degree. Bones seem to be an ever-changing and flexible organ system. Trust the process.
Effects of dihydrotestosterone alone and combined with estrogen on bone mineral density, bone growth, and formation rates in ovariectomized rats - PubMed
Cortical Bone and Cancellous Bone | Bone and Spine
"DHT had greater effects on cortical bone(outer layer) and partially mitigated the suppressive effects of estrogen on bone growth and formation in the female skeleton."
"Cortical bone represents 80% of the skeletal mass and therefore supports most of the mechanical function."
Estrogen seems to have inhibitory effect on cortical/appositional mass.
Must keep E within healthy range consistently.
Revisited some old threads to confirm one recovery reported bone mass improvement in hands.
Seems like testosterone functions more on the inside of the bone.
DHT operates more on the outer region of bone. Outer layer makes up near 80% of bone mass according to several sources.
Excess estrogen will interfere with bone metabolism. Has an inhibitory effect on bone formation. Smaller skeletal mass overall.
Therefore lack of DHT and/or excess estrogen will limit skeletal mass.
Also, stress/inflammation will throw off parathyroid to produce more osteoclasts vs osteoblasts, thereby also inhibiting bone mass. Thyroid function also plays a role, from what I remember.
Man shoutout to you Hulk, you are Swole's official bone expert.
You say DHT helps, have you ever cycled?
Testosterone functions mostly on the inside of bone, therefore low T must be tackled or there will be bone fractures and breaks in the long term. Could lead to Osteoporosis.
DHT will have more of an impact on mechanics such as balance and grip ability, also appearance.
*Remember, optimal nutrition thru herbs and other methods is needed to remineralize the bones. Calcium, magnesium, boron, MK4, etc.
Haha, thanks man.
I havent cycled yet BUT I will hopefully in the very near future. Balancing a few more things as much as possible, and adding sorghum to my diet first. I will cycle if I have no noticeable changes.
The DHT should definitely rebuild bone mass, as long as parathyroid is functioning properly and Estrogen is at healthy level.
I've read one recovery where moon face was gone, no mention of DHT.
Another recovery where hand size apparently recovered, DHT was involved.
The only thing I anticipate is the need to have a VERY consistent DHT input to get the desired effect. Question is how much DHT will be needed daily to maintain mass?
@Cdsnuts
I WILL start cycles asap.
Will DHT drop when I'm off-cycle?
Is it possible to microdose off-cycle?
Or will I develop tolerance or not feel well if I consistently microdose?
I don't want to lose my gains.
Link for how peptides can regenerate the skull. This may also help in overall skull size recovery.
Peptide drugs accelerate BMP-2-induced calvarial bone regeneration and stimulate osteoblast differentiation through mTORC1 signaling - PubMed.