Idea - Cycling DHT and DHT Prohormones

[silverstrand]

Hello,

This is for all those familiar with 5ar suppression. I'm currently running andractim (1 full dose in morning) with some androhard v3 (1/3 dose) for a 3 month cycle of DHT to help reverse the shit I'm going through. I'm about 1/2 the way through this cycle.
I'm very curious though - I've heard that using different anabolics while on cycle can be more effective way of approaching a cycle. I'm thinking of maybe doing something like this to promote more dht into my system. For instance, I can use Androhard, Andractim, and Andro 300 maybe in a varied way to promote more DHT while confusing my body so as to limit suppression.

This is just an idea. I'm thinking of cycling from one to the other every 2 weeks to maybe every month for a full 3 months. Or maybe using Andractim as a base and cycling the two others.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

[weekend]

no, this won't limit suppression

you would be better off adding some test and maybe other dht derivatives like mast, proviron, and primo if you want to try switching it up

if you don't feel better at least temporarily on andractim and test combined i don't know what's going to work.

i still wanna see a 5ar sufferer use tren

[WesleyInman]

no, this won't limit suppression

you would be better off adding some test and maybe other dht derivatives like mast, proviron, and primo if you want to try switching it up

if you don't feel better at least temporarily on andractim and test combined i don't know what's going to work.

i still wanna see a 5ar sufferer use tren

This- 100%

The only way you are going to get a better result would be synergy. So yes, combining a product like androhard while on Pure Test..100% will yield a far better result. Also the delivery system of the product you are using. Which arguably would suggest why something like AHV1 worked so well.or IML's version works superior to most version and why Ultra Stano is in a cyclodextrin.

What I do, is simply bump up my dosage. I am on 600mgs of Epi andro hard (which is essentially epi andro rx - IML's version) and I feel and look like a million bux. Libido is sky high. Muscles are harder, denser, etc.. Lines everywhere. DHT gets a bad rap because of hair thinning. I use Pura gold label DHT blocking shampoo..and my hair is coming in, on a high dosage..it's protecting hairline and then some.

[Freepressright]

Hello,

This is for all those familiar with 5ar suppression. I'm currently running andractim (1 full dose in morning) with some androhard v3 (1/3 dose) for a 3 month cycle of DHT to help reverse the shit I'm going through. I'm about 1/2 the way through this cycle.
I'm very curious though - I've heard that using different anabolics while on cycle can be more effective way of approaching a cycle. I'm thinking of maybe doing something like this to promote more dht into my system. For instance, I can use Androhard, Andractim, and Andro 300 maybe in a varied way to promote more DHT while confusing my body so as to limit suppression.

This is just an idea. I'm thinking of cycling from one to the other every 2 weeks to maybe every month for a full 3 months. Or maybe using Andractim as a base and cycling the two others.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

This topic's way over my head. However, the common wisdom is that when you're trying to get natural production of a hormone back online, feeding yourself exogenous hormones is not a good strategy because it leads to suppression.

DHT, though, is a tricky thing. There really aren't studies one way or another speaking specifically to how suppressive exogenous DHT is. We know testosterone is suppressive.

I'm willing to bet that you just tired of feeling the effects of 5ar suppression and looking for a fix to feel normal again. I can't blame you. I went through it once after taking some fenugreek for a month and it was hell.

Good luck one way or another.

[weekend]

basically all 3 things you're using are pretty much gonna act the same in the body. no confusion there. lol.

[Freepressright]

I've never used an active DHT. But after Ultra Stano and bridging into IML's Epi Andro RX, I have veins in places I didn't think existed. I can't imagine the real deal being that much of an improvement. I'm plenty happy.

[silverstrand]

Thanks for all the comments! I appreciate the info! I'll look into Tren but from what I remember, Tren has two pathways to suppresion of test - I can't exactly remember what they are at this time but I'll double check. This might be a possible solution

I dont care about my hair any longer as a matter of fact I welcome being bald. lol I started losing it at age 19 so my body is designed for high DHT. At that age and up until I took Fin at 23 (8 months, 2 mgs/day) - I would get pimples on my head. I had rock hard morning word every morning and it wouldn't subside until I pissed. Also, I was quick to anger but at the same time I was extremely enthusiastic about life. I'm looking for pimples on head as a sign my dht is back online. I've gotten a couple small ones lately. My dad had pimples on his head until age 50, I'm 32 now. As you can see, I've been in this condition for years and only within the last couple years, I've tried to do something about it.

You are right WesleyInman about the delivery method being different and I'm hoping to capitalize on that. For instance AV3 and AV2 are supposedly getting uptaked through the lymphatic system bypassing the liver - not sure about AV1. Alpha Hard looks to be through the GI track and passed through the liver. Andro 300 is topical so straight to the blood but needs conversion and Andractim is the direct stuff. All point to the same goal of increasing DHT but I've noticed on each of these the best benifits are within the first few days. I haven't tried Andro 300 yet but I will buy some here shortly. Has anyone tried this stuff? I'll look into getting some Epi as well.

My dumbass took Fenugreek from Primdordial Performance (great company, not dogging them at all, it was my fault) which is a 5ar suppressor and rice protein which is also a 5ar supppressor. I've wasted about a year plus and several cycles worth of AV3 because of these mistakes. I cannot afford to make these types of mistakes - financially, physically, emotionally.

On a positive note, my musculature has responsed very well to these cycles.

[English]

Thanks for all the comments! I appreciate the info! I'll look into Tren but from what I remember, Tren has two pathways to suppresion of test - I can't exactly remember what they are at this time but I'll double check. This might be a possible solution

I dont care about my hair any longer as a matter of fact I welcome being bald. lol I started losing it at age 19 so my body is designed for high DHT. At that age and up until I took Fin at 23 (8 months, 2 mgs/day) - I would get pimples on my head. I had rock hard morning word every morning and it wouldn't subside until I pissed. Also, I was quick to anger but at the same time I was extremely enthusiastic about life. I'm looking for pimples on head as a sign my dht is back online. I've gotten a couple small ones lately. My dad had pimples on his head until age 50, I'm 32 now. As you can see, I've been in this condition for years and only within the last couple years, I've tried to do something about it.

You are right WesleyInman about the delivery method being different and I'm hoping to capitalize on that. For instance AV3 and AV2 are supposedly getting uptaked through the lymphatic system bypassing the liver - not sure about AV1. Alpha Hard looks to be through the GI track and passed through the liver. Andro 300 is topical so straight to the blood but needs conversion and Andractim is the direct stuff. All point to the same goal of increasing DHT but I've noticed on each of these the best benifits are within the first few days. I haven't tried Andro 300 yet but I will buy some here shortly. Has anyone tried this stuff? I'll look into getting some Epi as well.

My dumbass took Fenugreek from Primdordial Performance (great company, not dogging them at all, it was my fault) which is a 5ar suppressor and rice protein which is also a 5ar supppressor. I've wasted about a year plus and several cycles worth of AV3 because of these mistakes. I cannot afford to make these types of mistakes - financially, physically, emotionally.

On a positive note, my musculature has responsed very well to these cycles.

Just want to point out that hair loss is because of the genetic disposition of certain hair follicles to react to DHT or not + 100 issues. You get guys with high DHT levels that have brilliant heads of head till the day they die. It has very little to do with DHT levels in isolation, however clearly if you ramp up DHT with exogenous pharma then already sensitive follicles will run for cover. I know you don't care about hair anymore (neither do i) but it is wrong to summise you naturally have high DHT just because of genetic hair loss and pimples and therefore you must get back to high DHT. The overwhelming odds are that you had fairly standard levels of DHT/Test/E etc. for your age, but you had/have hair and skin that is sensitive to androgens, as was your whole body given your MW etc.
I personally remember hitting my erect penis in frustration every morning trying to get it to go down so i could take a piss! You don't appreciate what you have till it's gone etc.

[silverstrand]

Just want to point out that hair loss is because of the genetic disposition of certain hair follicles to react to DHT or not + 100 issues. You get guys with high DHT levels that have brilliant heads of head till the day they die. It has very little to do with DHT levels in isolation, however clearly if you ramp up DHT with exogenous pharma then already sensitive follicles will run for cover. I know you don't care about hair anymore (neither do i) but it is wrong to summise you naturally have high DHT just because of genetic hair loss and pimples and therefore you must get back to high DHT. The overwhelming odds are that you had fairly standard levels of DHT/Test/E etc. for your age, but you had/have hair and skin that is sensitive to androgens, as was your whole body given your MW etc.
I personally remember hitting my erect penis in frustration every morning trying to get it to go down so i could take a piss! You don't appreciate what you have till it's gone etc.

You absolutely dont appreciate it until its lost - its been 10 years for me now - I want that back! After reading about other peoples successes, I feel I can. I'm not too sure that my levels are all that good, only because I cant sleep for much longer than 4 hrs at a time and I dont have morning wood. I a rare occasion, I will wake up to a solid rock hard boner but thats so sporatic. Typically, I have morning soft wood. Sex is alright. The women I'm with seem to enjoy it but I know its just not me.
Even though I've been running Andractim for a month and a half, my hair hasn't fallen out. I've even tried rubbing some on the top of my scalp and still my hair stays strong. This leads me to believe there is some form of androgen resistance. I've also noticed that after urinating, my libido goes down from the uptick it gets from Andractim and Androhard. I believe my body is trying to expel the androgens. This is also why I think a longer cycle makes more sense. I've read from this forum and from people like Eric Potratz that it takes 2 months or more to directly affect the hormonal balance of the body in a perminant way. Shorter cycles allow for a rebound to the norm but I dont want my current norm, I want a new norm.

[English]

You absolutely dont appreciate it until its lost - its been 10 years for me now - I want that back! After reading about other peoples successes, I feel I can. I'm not too sure that my levels are all that good, only because I cant sleep for much longer than 4 hrs at a time and I dont have morning wood. I a rare occasion, I will wake up to a solid rock hard boner but thats so sporatic. Typically, I have morning soft wood. Sex is alright. The women I'm with seem to enjoy it but I know its just not me.
Even though I've been running Andractim for a month and a half, my hair hasn't fallen out. I've even tried rubbing some on the top of my scalp and still my hair stays strong. This leads me to believe there is some form of androgen resistance. I've also noticed that after urinating, my libido goes down from the uptick it gets from Andractim and Androhard. I believe my body is trying to expel the androgens. This is also why I think a longer cycle makes more sense. I've read from this forum and from people like Eric Potratz that it takes 2 months or more to directly affect the hormonal balance of the body in a perminant way. Shorter cycles allow for a rebound to the norm but I dont want my current norm, I want a new norm.

For me and this is just my opinion, you are talking crazy stuff. I think you are correct that there is androgen resistance in whatever form, and you have demonstrated that to yourself by knowing your hair is sensitive to DHT yet is unnafected by all the DHT you are putting into it, yet you think shovelling more and more of the stuff down your throat and for ever longer periods will help. I am pretty certain it won't and you could just make things worse as if your body is seeking an equilibrium of low androgen (as that is what it has become used to) then logic would suggest that exogenously and massively raising androgen could make it downgrade it's sensitivity to androgen even further - then what happens when you get off it?
You need to raise your sensitivity to androgen, you do that by training to the sensible limit that your body can take - HIIT training, heavy weights, mixed with cardio or regular walking to keep yourself fit. Great diet, laughing fucking, thinking you are the big alpha male dog etc. This shit seems to raise sensitivity to androgens, and that makes sense if you think about the 300 odd million year of evolution that has got us to where we are.