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    As for discomfort downstairs- I think its best to wait what urologist has got to say, hopefully he will do proper check and rule all other stuff varicocele, hydrocele, etc... Gyno- you may may need some AI if they are sensitive, or if your E2 is slightly elevated which may be the case, and is seen with post-fina users- but to solve gyno completely you will need surgery, which I think is possible to get through HNS? If not than you'll have to go eastern europe someday.

    Second thing is, I beleive that fina/propecia can also mess up with NO, so I think adding a lot of l citrulline could be helpful and even possibly solve the problem, I think FPR is the best to ask as he knows right combo

    also I agree with his supplement (except tribulus which I'm doubtful) but tocopheril is must have ( I prefer mixed nuts- brazilian nuts, walnuts, hazelnuts etc..)
    also taladafil may be helpful- it reduces E2 a bit, make testicles more effective, and also helps with NO).

    As for DHT, that I would leave for distant future, after everything else has been cleared. It may not be needed.

    Realxing/not worrying is biggest challenge- that will take a lot of time and will power, but it has to be done, otherwise you will not get result- as it has a really big cascading effect- affecting both hormones and neurotransmitters- which affect everything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jelisej View Post
    As for discomfort downstairs- I think its best to wait what urologist has got to say, hopefully he will do proper check and rule all other stuff varicocele, hydrocele, etc... Gyno- you may may need some AI if they are sensitive, or if your E2 is slightly elevated which may be the case, and is seen with post-fina users- but to solve gyno completely you will need surgery, which I think is possible to get through HNS? If not than you'll have to go eastern europe someday.

    Second thing is, I beleive that fina/propecia can also mess up with NO, so I think adding a lot of l citrulline could be helpful and even possibly solve the problem, I think FPR is the best to ask as he knows right combo

    also I agree with his supplement (except tribulus which I'm doubtful) but tocopheril is must have ( I prefer mixed nuts- brazilian nuts, walnuts, hazelnuts etc..)
    also taladafil may be helpful- it reduces E2 a bit, make testicles more effective, and also helps with NO).

    As for DHT, that I would leave for distant future, after everything else has been cleared. It may not be needed.

    Realxing/not worrying is biggest challenge- that will take a lot of time and will power, but it has to be done, otherwise you will not get result- as it has a really big cascading effect- affecting both hormones and neurotransmitters- which affect everything else.
    I understand your skepticism of Tribulus, J. I was in that camp once myself. What changed my mind was when a co-worker of mine was on NOW Tribulus 1000 (standardized at 45%). This guy was already a genetic beast and he swore the stuff gave him a nice boost. I tried it and dosed it at 1,000mg 3x a day. I noticed the energy increase, libido went up, but what was most striking was the leaning effect. And I did get some acne.

    About a year later I found the Liftmode Tribulus, which was standardized at 90%, higher than anything else on the market. And then I read this:

    Tribulus Terrestris: Worthless or Unjustifiably Chastized? Part I

    The whole experience swayed me.

    The only disadvantage is that the taste of the 90% extract is fucking terrible. I could see it being a deal breaker for someone, it's so bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freepressright View Post
    The only disadvantage is that the taste of the 90% extract is fucking terrible. I could see it being a deal breaker for someone, it's so bad.
    Cap that shit. Liftmode has good stuff. I'm gonna try this now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cdsnuts View Post
    Cap that shit. Liftmode has good stuff. I'm gonna try this now.
    The man himself beat me to it. Can I cap it? Ima cap it. How's the land of the living treating you, CD? Good I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropy View Post
    The man himself beat me to it. Can I cap it? Ima cap it. How's the land of the living treating you, CD? Good I hope.
    From where I was, everyday is a good day my friend. You'll get there too, eventually.
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    You know it bro, I -love- this forum too, so much knowledge. It's like a different world. Happy Halloween fellas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cdsnuts View Post
    Cap that shit. Liftmode has good stuff. I'm gonna try this now.
    Ya know, you'd think with all my years of doing this that I'd have done that by now, LOL. But, for whatever reason, I haven't.

    Do they make something to load capsules with or do you just scoop and put them together? Any suggestions on where to get capsules and whatever else I'd need?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freepressright View Post
    Ya know, you'd think with all my years of doing this that I'd have done that by now, LOL. But, for whatever reason, I haven't.

    Do they make something to load capsules with or do you just scoop and put them together? Any suggestions on where to get capsules and whatever else I'd need?
    You could make a little paper funnel if you really wanted to save cash but it'd be infuriating. You can find capsule filling machines for pretty cheap. Something like this would work Amazon.com: The Capsule Machine Personal Care

    Gelcaps Amazon.com: 1 bag bulk wholesale 1000 Personal Care

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freepressright View Post
    Ya know, you'd think with all my years of doing this that I'd have done that by now, LOL. But, for whatever reason, I haven't.

    Do they make something to load capsules with or do you just scoop and put them together? Any suggestions on where to get capsules and whatever else I'd need?
    This is the one I've had for six or seven years now....

    Amazon.com: The Capsule Machine Personal Care
    Total Male Optimization "People who say it can't be done shouldn't interrupt those that are doing it"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freepressright View Post
    I understand your skepticism of Tribulus, J. I was in that camp once myself. What changed my mind was when a co-worker of mine was on NOW Tribulus 1000 (standardized at 45%). This guy was already a genetic beast and he swore the stuff gave him a nice boost. I tried it and dosed it at 1,000mg 3x a day. I noticed the energy increase, libido went up, but what was most striking was the leaning effect. And I did get some acne.
    About a year later I found the Liftmode Tribulus, which was standardized at 90%, higher than anything else on the market. And then I read this:
    Tribulus Terrestris: Worthless or Unjustifiably Chastized? Part I
    The whole experience swayed me.
    The only disadvantage is that the taste of the 90% extract is fucking terrible. I could see it being a deal breaker for someone, it's so bad.
    I do not doubt that tribulus has some positive effects, there are lot of folks who swear by it.
    On other hand- all bloodwork that I've seen does not show any noticeable effect on testosterone levels, and some of tribulus was pure from Bulgaria.
    So, there must be something in trib. but I cant promote it as testosterone booster until there is enough evidence for it.



    Enthropy, you may find these threads usefull:
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