Bizzbee's Trial with Super R Andro (2nd run of pro hormones)

[Durantia37]

Yeah, it is a life saver lol. Go to their profile and click ignore this user

Sweet thanks dude

[Snell1234]

Come on bizz, I’ve backed you up against tubzy but there’s no need to bag out CD like that.

With all the attacks on him lately, he must be wondering why he’s helped a lot of us over the years. He’s helped me enormously and some people aren’t really paying their dues back for the effort he’s gone to.

[bizzbee]

They are paying their dues back, in the form of herbs and supplements that he advertises. He's not going to go through with all this effort solely out of the kindness of his heart, there has to be something else in it for him as well. He's created a virtual cult here. I merely questioned the wisdom of rotating over 21 herbs and the backlash I received by suggesting any kind of deviation from his Manson-like followers is astonishing. This is apparently not the place I had hoped it would be, where freedom of experimentation and thought is valued. I have people attacking me for things I didn't even do such as confuse the difference between two isomers on a bottle of prohormones, and this by some nincompoop who probably couldn't finish his GED. I don't think I will post my experiences or progress here if this continues to be the case. This thread has taken up literally hours of my time because I have to contend with jobless fools living in their parent's basement and with plenty of time to act like immature buffoons over the internet because of the afforded anonymity and bandwidth. Well my bandwidth for this kind of nonsense has reached its limit. I have a career to look after and a body on the verge of recovery and I don't have time for this disgustingly puerile banter. You seem to be close to recovery. I wish you success in that regard.

Come on bizz, I’ve backed you up against tubzy but there’s no need to bag out CD like that.

With all the attacks on him lately, he must be wondering why he’s helped a lot of us over the years. He’s helped me enormously and some people aren’t really paying their dues back for the effort he’s gone to.

[Snell1234]

They are paying their dues back, in the form of herbs and supplements that he advertises. He's not going to go through with all this effort solely out of the kindness of his heart, there has to be something else in it for him as well. He's created a virtual cult here. I merely questioned the wisdom of rotating over 21 herbs and the backlash I received by suggesting any kind of deviation from his Manson-like followers is astonishing. This is apparently not the place I had hoped it would be, where freedom of experimentation and thought is valued. I have people attacking me for things I didn't even do such as confuse the difference between two isomers on a bottle of prohormones, and this by some nincompoop who probably couldn't finish his GED. I don't think I will post my experiences or progress here if this continues to be the case. This thread has taken up literally hours of my time because I have to contend with jobless fools living in their parent's basement and with plenty of time to act like immature buffoons over the internet because of the afforded anonymity and bandwidth. Well my bandwidth for this kind of nonsense has reached its limit. I have a career to look after and a body on the verge of recovery and I don't have time for this disgustingly puerile banter. You seem to be close to recovery. I wish you success in that regard.

Back on that topic again are we? I thought he made his position very clear. Obviously not clear enough. How Tubzy dealt with you was wrong but what you have written there is a disgrace to be honest.

[Cdsnuts]

They are paying their dues back, in the form of herbs and supplements that he advertises. He's not going to go through with all this effort solely out of the kindness of his heart, there has to be something else in it for him as well. He's created a virtual cult here. I merely questioned the wisdom of rotating over 21 herbs and the backlash I received by suggesting any kind of deviation from his Manson-like followers is astonishing. This is apparently not the place I had hoped it would be, where freedom of experimentation and thought is valued. I have people attacking me for things I didn't even do such as confuse the difference between two isomers on a bottle of prohormones, and this by some nincompoop who probably couldn't finish his GED. I don't think I will post my experiences or progress here if this continues to be the case. This thread has taken up literally hours of my time because I have to contend with jobless fools living in their parent's basement and with plenty of time to act like immature buffoons over the internet because of the afforded anonymity and bandwidth. Well my bandwidth for this kind of nonsense has reached its limit. I have a career to look after and a body on the verge of recovery and I don't have time for this disgustingly puerile banter. You seem to be close to recovery. I wish you success in that regard.

Damn...I take a couple weeks off from technology and look at this shitshow.

You're obviously harboring alot of resentment towards me.....Despite all the help I've given you, and despite the fact that you're "on the verge of recovery" because of the protocol you're following, I would think you'd be happy about that. Instead you slam me?

Thanks Biz. You're welcome. I'm pretty sure you're the one who was always commenting about how I'm always here to help?

Not sure why you're so focused on the financials of everything? The protocol stands on it's own regardless. It works, that's all that matters. I'd say most other people agree.

In regards to you "questioning the wisdom" of rotating 21 herbs. You're still suffering.....no?

I'm not. And neither are a good majority of guys that have followed the plan exactly as it's laid out.

You can do what ever you want. But anybody that does a little research can see the obvious benefit of hitting the T boosting herbs from all angles. Simply put, you're just going to get better results with a variety of herbs....not just three.

Any body chiming in on that was just trying to help you.

It's guys like you who make me question why I bother sometimes. Nothing like biting the hand that feeds you. I've done nothing but help you along the way and this is how you show your thanks?

If that's how you really feel, then maybe it's time for you to move along. I mean, if you're going to be questioning the wisdom of the whole thing, you may as well just stop.....all of it. And do your own thing. Just make sure it looks nothing like what is recommended here. Otherwise, it would be kind of hypocritical.....no?

Good luck to you.

[bizzbee]

I don't harbor resentment over this, just disappointment. I was expecting some disclosure regarding your financial motives and instead I got what appeared to be some evasiveness. What do I care if someone want's to make a buck on the side if the protocol works? I care because when the prospect of financial gain and truly empathic giving become intermingled then it evokes some ethically questionable and interesting situations. I won't expound on it here as I'm sure we can all imagine such situations on our own.
Let us be honest here, those that give out of true generosity don't expect to be given appreciation in the form of added loyalty or unquestioning of certain aspects of this "protocol" you've attributed to yourself. And what is it we're really talking about here? Taking cold showers...ingesting some herbs...proper sleep hygiene...working out...eating a paleo diet...groundbreaking right? No. I could have easily gotten this information from reading a few health magazines and books (and I did in fact, before you ever put up your website).
To liken members here to dogs that may bite the hand of the "owner" that feeds them betrays a sense of entitlement that you don't deserve. A hypocrite is not someone who questions the wisdom of others, it is someone who feigns to possess certain virtues or principles. Am I devoid of principles now because I question the wisdom of others? I see you had PVDL banned. He had some legitimate questions for you, it's too bad we never got an answer to them. Good luck trying to patent something like this. You'll be just another muscle-head with a degree in bro-science trying to sell some worthless powder to a bunch of noobs.

Damn...I take a couple weeks off from technology and look at this shitshow.

You're obviously harboring alot of resentment towards me.....Despite all the help I've given you, and despite the fact that you're "on the verge of recovery" because of the protocol you're following, I would think you'd be happy about that. Instead you slam me?

Thanks Biz. You're welcome. I'm pretty sure you're the one who was always commenting about how I'm always here to help?

Not sure why you're so focused on the financials of everything? The protocol stands on it's own regardless. It works, that's all that matters. I'd say most other people agree.

In regards to you "questioning the wisdom" of rotating 21 herbs. You're still suffering.....no?

I'm not. And neither are a good majority of guys that have followed the plan exactly as it's laid out.

You can do what ever you want. But anybody that does a little research can see the obvious benefit of hitting the T boosting herbs from all angles. Simply put, you're just going to get better results with a variety of herbs....not just three.

Any body chiming in on that was just trying to help you.

It's guys like you who make me question why I bother sometimes. Nothing like biting the hand that feeds you. I've done nothing but help you along the way and this is how you show your thanks?

If that's how you really feel, then maybe it's time for you to move along. I mean, if you're going to be questioning the wisdom of the whole thing, you may as well just stop.....all of it. And do your own thing. Just make sure it looks nothing like what is recommended here. Otherwise, it would be kind of hypocritical.....no?

Good luck to you.

[Cdsnuts]

I don't harbor resentment over this, just disappointment. I was expecting some disclosure regarding your financial motives and instead I got what appeared to be some evasiveness. What do I care if someone want's to make a buck on the side if the protocol works? I care because when the prospect of financial gain and truly empathic giving become intermingled then it evokes some ethically questionable and interesting situations. I won't expound on it here as I'm sure we can all imagine such situations on our own.
Let us be honest here, those that give out of true generosity don't expect to be given appreciation in the form of added loyalty or unquestioning of certain aspects of this "protocol" you've attributed to yourself. And what is it we're really talking about here? Taking cold showers...ingesting some herbs...proper sleep hygiene...working out...eating a paleo diet...groundbreaking right? No. I could have easily gotten this information from reading a few health magazines and books (and I did in fact, before you ever put up your website).
To liken members here to dogs that may bite the hand of the "owner" that feeds them betrays a sense of entitlement that you don't deserve. A hypocrite is not someone who questions the wisdom of others, it is someone who feigns to possess certain virtues or principles. Am I devoid of principles now because I question the wisdom of others? I see you had PVDL banned. He had some legitimate questions for you, it's too bad we never got an answer to them. Good luck trying to patent something like this. You'll be just another muscle-head with a degree in bro-science trying to sell some worthless powder to a bunch of noobs.

You completely miss the point Biz.

I've been helping guys long before the website was ever created. How much of my precious time do you think I can possibly dedicate to doing so if there is not some type of gain for that time. I'm sure you've heard the saying time is money. As rough as that might sound, I have a life to live. I run a full time business and household. The reason the website was created is because more and more of my time was going towards this while it was taking away the time I would spend on other things that I needed to run my life.

And you could have easily gotten all of the information about the protocol on your own huh? BS. If that's the case, you would have. Everyone would have. It took me years to put the information together and have it tested on myself and others who have used it in the combinations described here. Come on...let's not be ridiculous.

And yes....I've done nothing but help you, and you have done nothing but slight me....great trade off, huh?

I tell you what I don't deserve....the disrespect you're showing me. And PVDL...are you serious? The guy is completely negative, and despite the results this program gets people, he didn't want to hear anything about it. I have better things to do with my time then to argue with someone who isn't going to listen. It would have been a complete waste of time. He had his agenda, which was clear from the beginning. He can yell fraudulent all he wants. If that was the case, the guys that rallied around this place wouldn't have done so? They must be all on the take too, right?

It appears your time here has come to an end. If that's how you feel, there really is no reason for you to stay here any longer. Go read your health magazines. I'm sure you'll work it all out. But don't stick around if your going to sit here an insult me. It's completely unwarranted.

And Broscience? You mean, science? The science that you've been following and as per yourself, recovering? Lol... And by worthless powder, you mean the herbs that everybody is rotating and getting fantastic results with? You are a bitter man Biz.

Everybody is here because they're getting results, and because they want to be here. You seem to be focused on something other then your own healing.

[bizzbee]

You are quickly becoming the laughing stock of the PFS community. This is not something I recommend you just simply brush off. I'm sure you've read the posts of various detractors and skeptics. The latest one from solvepfs.com involving a screen name containing the letters "XP" comes to mind as a remarkable instance of what happens when you don't firmly disclose your interests upfront; just read for yourself this latest one in order to get a glimpse at the lengths in which some of these people will go in order to discredit an approach to healing. Some of things mentioned seem wildly far-fetched but people who are in compromised positions are likely to believe almost anything. This evasiveness has given zealots like PVDL and XP ammunition to further discredit the movement you and others have started here. I know what their fucking agenda is. They've made it all too clear: recovery is not possible until we've all funneled enough money into the foundation and waited a long enough time to see a cure. All of us here know that THAT is a somewhat far-fetched proposition, that even if true, most of us aren't willing to wait that long. Quashing these sorts rumors and accusations upfront would not have been a waste of time. It would have lent you more credibility and perhaps more followers. Now the skepticism and cynicism has become rampant.

You completely miss the point Biz.

I've been helping guys long before the website was ever created. How much of my precious time do you think I can possibly dedicate to doing so if there is not some type of gain for that time. I'm sure you've heard the saying time is money. As rough as that might sound, I have a life to live. I run a full time business and household. The reason the website was created is because more and more of my time was going towards this while it was taking away the time I would spend on other things that I needed to run my life.

And you could have easily gotten all of the information about the protocol on your own huh? BS. If that's the case, you would have. Everyone would have. It took me years to put the information together and have it tested on myself and others who have used it in the combinations described here. Come on...let's not be ridiculous.

And yes....I've done nothing but help you, and you have done nothing but slight me....great trade off, huh?

I tell you what I don't deserve....the disrespect you're showing me. And PVDL...are you serious? The guy is completely negative, and despite the results this program gets people, he didn't want to hear anything about it. I have better things to do with my time then to argue with someone who isn't going to listen. It would have been a complete waste of time. He had his agenda, which was clear from the beginning. He can yell fraudulent all he wants. If that was the case, the guys that rallied around this place wouldn't have done so? They must be all on the take too, right?

It appears your time here has come to an end. If that's how you feel, there really is no reason for you to stay here any longer. Go read your health magazines. I'm sure you'll work it all out. But don't stick around if your going to sit here an insult me. It's completely unwarranted.

And Broscience? You mean, science? The science that you've been following and as per yourself, recovering? Lol... And by worthless powder, you mean the herbs that everybody is rotating and getting fantastic results with? You are a bitter man Biz.

Everybody is here because they're getting results, and because they want to be here. You seem to be focused on something other then your own healing.