CD's Natural Testosterone boosting regimen

[delsolrob]

Not sure about that. I took 4 andro 250mg/day for a month and my bloods didn't budge. Test and estrogen were EXACTLY the same as when i started

That's interesting! what brand? not to derail, but your one experience doesn't fall in line with science or general anecdotal feedback. CD is right in his assesment.

That said, people do respond differently...there were even some people who didn't get any gains on superdrol. But, that doesn't mean it doesn't work for the significant majority of the population

[James897]

That's interesting! what brand? not to derail, but your one experience doesn't fall in line with science or general anecdotal feedback. CD is right in his assesment.

That said, people do respond differently...there were even some people who didn't get any gains on superdrol. But, that doesn't mean it doesn't work for the significant majority of the population

I don't know, it was surprising since I felt some initial effects on it. I was using an old 4-andro product from IML, then switched to Super 4-elite from Olympus.

[Cdsnuts]

Not sure about that. I took 4 andro 250mg/day for a month and my bloods didn't budge. Test and estrogen were EXACTLY the same as when i started

You don't have to be, I am.

I know that may sound cocky, but coming from someone who has 2 posts here to say that to someone who has been working with these guys for almost a decade...well...you know where this is going.

But what Rob said is correct. Not only that, but when I talk about these things, I'm talking about them from the perspective that everyone is doing EVERYTHING that is recommended.

From alot of these questions I'm getting from this new wave of guys it is very clear that many of you have NOT read EVERYTHING on the site. Even the stickies, which is the FIRST thing that is recommended for the new comers.

Unfortunately this thread has been derailed and i'm probably going to lock it so that it is not ruined for the men that come in after you guys.

[Maxout777]

I had bad effects from saw palmetto.

I have bought a few of the herbs mentioned from superman herbs. I attempted to use the Tongkat but had major sleep issues on it as well as something I have never experienced before, chronic hives. Literally would break out in hives all over my body and would have to take cold showers to go away.

I know it was the Tongkat because I tried to introduce it 3 times now with exactly the same symptoms.

What are peoples favourite herb after Tongkat?

Being a saw palmetto user I believe the mechanism is slightly different. I have noted others with low estrogen symptoms after AI etc. I have raised SHBG but very low E2 and I cant seem to find anyone else in the situation. Normally SHBG is raised through high estrogen. I have suffered with low e2 symptoms for years now. HCG helped in many ways but did not fix me entirely. It gave me back pre cum and normal looking loads. Better flacid hang but no return of spontaneous erections. It did help libido too.

I wanted to go the natural route. I cycled off everything and my own production came back with very healthy testosterone levels (675 ng/dl) but higher SHBG and lower E2.
I am in a bad way since coming off HCG. Feel completely shut down even though my testosterone levels are fairly high. My SHBG is 60 nmol/l however.

I read that one of Tongkats methods through raising T is lowering E2 hence probably why I felt terrible on it.

I am desperate to get back my health and have changed everything about my diet and lifestyle for a long time. I appreciate it is all mentioned in the Protocol but I do not wish to take any supplements that can lower estrogens for me even more. A lot of the prohormones are anti E.

Does anyone have any suggestions for supps that are not so aggressive at lowering aromatase?

I was also a saw palmetto user, for what it's worth. I used the prohormones, and herbs during my recovery and my E was low at times. If you're looking for a way to use the prohormones without tanking your E, I highly suggest that you try a low dose of 4 Andro with the R-Andro. This will keep you from having any low estrogen issues, as it is a test base. Of course, don't start there. I would do what CD is suggesting first - cleanse, herbs, workout, lifestyle => then use these PHs once you've got a decent base.