I hear that. I prefer real food, and the shakes are a crutch, just so easy.

I'll start fasting around 10pm and and eat around 1pm as well. On workout days, the shakes are really the only thing I can take around workout times, or else i'd be too full and would'nt roll well in jits. Lifting is kind of the same way. If I eat too close to lifting, I don't have as good a workout.