Getting worse after years

[Cdsnuts]

I know my post is a bit propecia helpy in some ways but fuck it, I'm desperate.

Basically the short version: crashed with pFS 2010, lost twenty pounds muscle, severe ed and shrinkage, severe insomnia, anxiety and brain fog.

took two years to dig me out of a hole, but strangely by 2011/12 I could sleep 8 hours easily and depression and fatigue abated. I have no idea how it turned around as I was taking psych meds to help sleep, and was getting drunk once a week so it was hardly driven by healthy lifestyle.

2011-18: very good sleep, good energy, bad sexual sides but my dick and balls hung normally and normal size for years.

2018/19: ended up working with cunts and my PFS got made known about. I was unaffected but hung around too long and it broke my sleep, was back to six hours interrupted,

2020: after a few weeks away from the stress, took ZMA and did 4-7-8. This helped me get back to near normality, and also helped erections, and combined with a fitness regime including HIIT I was fitter than pre-pfs. But fucking lockdowns stopped the gym and beginning weightlifting.

2021: I crashed in Febraury and don't know why. Probably because I constantly ran ZMA for sleep without cycling, also I was drinking coffee and eating chicken thighs every day as a couple of places opened nearby during that horrible winter lockdown. My adrenals probably couldn't handle the espresso caffeine post-stress, and too much zinc when I took it already didn't help. I was probably wanking too much as was stuck in all day, and stayed up late taling to a friend who had moved to the States.

bascially since last Feb my dick shrunk for the first time in a decade since pfs began. It hasn't returned and if I wank too much it gets worse, like just now where it is rubbery and dead. Bear in mind I could wank for years and nothing bad happened. I want to obliterate those cunts who ended up fucking my sleep three years ago.

How do I get out this hole? Did you get your size back?

Okay....blaming others isn't gonna get you shit. So stop wasting the energy you have on that.

And the propecia helpy comment.....where you're like "fuck it"......instead of saying fuck it and complaining, reframe how you think.

Is ZMA on my list?

You realize you're in this spot because of your decisions, correct?

And ALL of you will be in spots if you don't follow exactly what is outlined. At this point it's amusing how many times I can say the same thing for a decade.

For the love of god......just. do. the. protocol.

And stay on it.

That's it.

Really.

[road to recover]

I took phenergan (promethazine) to help sleep and while I got six hours I woke up with a dead, very shrunk dick. No more of that. Also took seroquel as it did give me good sleep after my initial PFS, but while it now gives me interrupted deep sleep I don't want the feelin of droggines for half the day.

Just going to rest and shortly do a juice feast of circa three days.

I had kept a sleep journal of sorts since the turn of the year. Initally usually six or seven hours sleep with green tea and ibuprofen. Sleep was going downhill then really went to shit last few weeks. Incidentally I had covid early April and wonder if that played a part? Only felt rough one day, maybe one of those caffeine flu tablets affected me.

I notice that zinc had given me less sleep. In conjunstion with too much fapping at times, I think this is what set me back. Seems I can't handle zinc at all now, after years of it giving me a boost. And whenever I wank I end up with a red mark on the foreskin, so that has to stop.

I also get cold hands and feet now after taking anything else that boosts androgens like vit d.

Hope to god I can get out of this mess via a juice feast.

Can anyone recommend four or five good t boosters to get started with that don't have 5ar properties? I read about another guy who has crashed from cistanche.

[road to recover]

Does anyone know if zinc is as potent as araimidex? I may have taken it with zma together or on adjacent days.

[LetsGo]

Does anyone know if zinc is as potent as araimidex? I may have taken it with zma together or on adjacent days.

Bro… Why are you taking Arimidex? It’s going to mess up your hormones even more. This protocol does not involve any medications. (My apologies if I misread what you wrote, and you’re not taking Arimidex.) Either way, neither zinc nor ZMA is on the protocol’s herb list.

I'd recommend getting off of ALL the supplements that are not on the list, and forget about self-medicating, as step one. Step two is to go do a medically supervised water fast — ask TrueNorth how long they think you should do. They will probably tell you 2 - 4 weeks, potentially up to 40 days. Go do the water fast and re-feeding at True North. Step three is to do the other parts of the protocol; the diet, the workouts, the HIIT, the herbal rotation, meditation, cold showers, etc.

If you do all of those things, in that order, you will recover just like the other guys who did those exact things in that exact order. I say this to you as someone who got PFS around the same time as you did, and is also working to recover.

[road to recover]

Bro… Why are you taking Arimidex? It’s going to mess up your hormones even more. This protocol does not involve any medications. (My apologies if I misread what you wrote, and you’re not taking Arimidex.) Either way, neither zinc nor ZMA is on the protocol’s herb list.

I'd recommend getting off of ALL the supplements that are not on the list, and forget about self-medicating, as step one. Step two is to go do a medically supervised water fast — ask TrueNorth how long they think you should do. They will probably tell you 2 - 4 weeks, potentially up to 40 days. Go do the water fast and re-feeding at True North. Step three is to do the other parts of the protocol; the diet, the workouts, the HIIT, the herbal rotation, meditation, cold showers, etc.

If you do all of those things, in that order, you will recover just like the other guys who did those exact things in that exact order. I say this to you as someone who got PFS around the same time as you did, and is also working to recover.

Thanks a lot for your imput man. I didn't take Armidex, however after taking ZMA with glycinate for a year (helped me get 7 hours sleep again after stressfull months) it started affecting my dick and my sleep so I dropped it. I slowly recovered over a few months my sleep, sexually was still around baseline. Then at the start of the sthe year my sleep declined, I just think I was taking zinc too frequently, forgot all about it being a 5ari since it worked for me for a long time. I also threw a couple of ZMA from another supplier back in the mix once or twice, as well as low dose pharm drugs for sleep. Whatever it was, crashed me back to ground zero. The reason I asked to compare to Arimidex was I was worried about that rarer post aromatose inhibitor syndrome you sometimes hear about.

I live in Europe so Tru North is out the equation. there are one or two places here that do it, but I will do a water fast of 7-10 days at some point soon.

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Bro… Why are you taking Arimidex? It’s going to mess up your hormones even more. This protocol does not involve any medications. (My apologies if I misread what you wrote, and you’re not taking Arimidex.) Either way, neither zinc nor ZMA is on the protocol’s herb list.

I'd recommend getting off of ALL the supplements that are not on the list, and forget about self-medicating, as step one. Step two is to go do a medically supervised water fast — ask TrueNorth how long they think you should do. They will probably tell you 2 - 4 weeks, potentially up to 40 days. Go do the water fast and re-feeding at True North. Step three is to do the other parts of the protocol; the diet, the workouts, the HIIT, the herbal rotation, meditation, cold showers, etc.

If you do all of those things, in that order, you will recover just like the other guys who did those exact things in that exact order. I say this to you as someone who got PFS around the same time as you did, and is also working to recover.

Thanks a lot for your imput man. I didn't take Armidex, however after taking ZMA with glycinate for a year (helped me get 7 hours sleep again after stressfull months) it started affecting my dick and my sleep so I dropped it. I slowly recovered over a few months my sleep, sexually was still around baseline. Then at the start of the sthe year my sleep declined, I just think I was taking zinc too frequently, forgot all about it being a 5ari since it worked for me for a long time. I also threw a couple of ZMA from another supplier back in the mix once or twice, as well as low dose pharm drugs for sleep. Whatever it was, crashed me back to ground zero. The reason I asked to compare to Arimidex was I was worried about that rarer post aromatose inhibitor syndrome you sometimes hear about.

I live in Europe so Tru North is out the equation. there are one or two places here that do it, but I will do a water fast of 7-10 days at some point soon. All the best woth yours.