Noir King's Recovery Log

[MungYarlon]

Hello there, and thanks for the input. I have come to the conclusion that the creatine absolutely did something to throw me off. My brain fog came back, and some sexu sides as well, which are again fluctuating.
Obviously a ridiculous decision to try anything outside what was working I guess, but in retrospect, I can't find much negative coverage of creatine on this site; only on the "other one."
Can you tell me what your take is on what you've read about creatine crashes? Do you think this going to be a major problem for me, or do people typically bounce back from it? I am trying to avoid doing much reading on it because I know how psychological stress can worsen everything...

All I remember reading is some medical student on reddit saying that he'd gotten brain fog from creatine (this was 3 years ago so cant remember his name). It went away after a few weeks though so I wouldn't worry.

Maybe do a week juice fast if you can, but I wouldn't worry too much.

[lastnoirking87]

All I remember reading is some medical student on reddit saying that he'd gotten brain fog from creatine (this was 3 years ago so cant remember his name). It went away after a few weeks though so I wouldn't worry.

Maybe do a week juice fast if you can, but I wouldn't worry too much.

Thanks again. Thats a reassuring bit of info. I'm intentionally not digging too deep into this, as I think it's likely going to prove to be a short downswing of sorts while my system re-stabilizes. Here I was thinking I was in a secure enough position to add in a single new thing with mostly good reviews even from PFSers (at least here on SS). I only found the negative stuff after the fact. I will admit that LetsGo did make mention of his knowledge of negative experiences from it. I thought I'd let myself have some fun with the bodybuilding aspect of the protocol.
Personally, I would advise all PFSers to stay away from creatine.
Looks like it's back to the bare bones for me. I've doubled down on breathing exercises, which seems to be helping a lot. Good lord, I really would like to avoid a fast right now as I'm so damn entrenched in the muscle building process 🫣 but it's probably good advice 👍

[Zerolibido]

Creatine won't crash you if you're in a good place

Wish I'd cure Is it my baseline was so say me on zinc and vitamin d

Ducking spastic awor out me off I hate Worthing

[MungYarlon]

Thanks again. Thats a reassuring bit of info. I'm intentionally not digging too deep into this, as I think it's likely going to prove to be a short downswing of sorts while my system re-stabilizes. Here I was thinking I was in a secure enough position to add in a single new thing with mostly good reviews even from PFSers (at least here on SS). I only found the negative stuff after the fact. I will admit that LetsGo did make mention of his knowledge of negative experiences from it. I thought I'd let myself have some fun with the bodybuilding aspect of the protocol.
Personally, I would advise all PFSers to stay away from creatine.
Looks like it's back to the bare bones for me. I've doubled down on breathing exercises, which seems to be helping a lot. Good lord, I really would like to avoid a fast right now as I'm so damn entrenched in the muscle building process 🫣 but it's probably good advice 👍

You'll be fine. If you want to build more muscle consider the prohormones, they have the added benefit of increasing 5-ar activity which will boost DHT and GABA.

I know CD advocated use of creatine but I find its hit or miss with a lot of people, so I never took the risk with it. fwiw I'm thinking about running a pro-hormone cycle in the next few weeks. Never really ran one during my recovery so want to see how I feel on them.

[lastnoirking87]

You'll be fine. If you want to build more muscle consider the prohormones, they have the added benefit of increasing 5-ar activity which will boost DHT and GABA.

I know CD advocated use of creatine but I find its hit or miss with a lot of people, so I never took the risk with it. fwiw I'm thinking about running a pro-hormone cycle in the next few weeks. Never really ran one during my recovery so want to see how I feel on them.

Yeah, I actually still have my ultrahard bottles I bought at the beginning of everything. They expire in November I think, but I've rely just not felt the need at all for anything other than the bare bones protocol on tmo.com.I seem to be a hyper responder to herbs🌿 ive had consistently stronger and stronger upswings, and improvement after every one for the last 1.5 years, so I figure, why mess with a good thing?
my decision to incorporate creatine was just a desire to have some fun with body comp.
Having said all that, I still haven't entirely ruled out PHs. I do want to get my estrogen checked before I do them however, and at this point I really must recover my baseline health from before the creatine debacle before I consider doing ANYTHING out of my ordinary. Secondly, I think I need a better understanding of how we are supposed to modulate use of ultrahard and alpha four if needed. I need a clearer picture of what symptoms necessitate use of one or the other, and I honestly haven't gotten a clear understanding of that in all of my reading on here 🤷‍♂️
Please keep us posted on how your PH run goes. I know it seems like Noone uses the forum, but when I go to specific user profiles I notice people are indeed "active," i.e., likely just lurking around like I do for months sometimes.

[MungYarlon]

Yeah, I actually still have my ultrahard bottles I bought at the beginning of everything. They expire in November I think, but I've rely just not felt the need at all for anything other than the bare bones protocol on tmo.com.I seem to be a hyper responder to herbs🌿 ive had consistently stronger and stronger upswings, and improvement after every one for the last 1.5 years, so I figure, why mess with a good thing?
my decision to incorporate creatine was just a desire to have some fun with body comp.
Having said all that, I still haven't entirely ruled out PHs. I do want to get my estrogen checked before I do them however, and at this point I really must recover my baseline health from before the creatine debacle before I consider doing ANYTHING out of my ordinary. Secondly, I think I need a better understanding of how we are supposed to modulate use of ultrahard and alpha four if needed. I need a clearer picture of what symptoms necessitate use of one or the other, and I honestly haven't gotten a clear understanding of that in all of my reading on here 🤷‍♂️
Please keep us posted on how your PH run goes. I know it seems like Noone uses the forum, but when I go to specific user profiles I notice people are indeed "active," i.e., likely just lurking around like I do for months sometimes.

Oh I'll definitely be posting more often now. Going to be starting a legal job in Autumn (my first real job), so I'm thinking with that I'm going to go back onto the full protocol, and try to optimise in all walks of life: health, career, relationships etc.

Really feel that I can use this as the starting point to doing some great things in the future, and for that I need to be in the very best shape possible, physically and mentally.

[5alphavictim]

I'm not Paddy

[LetsGo]

Yeah, I actually still have my ultrahard bottles I bought at the beginning of everything. They expire in November I think, but I've rely just not felt the need at all for anything other than the bare bones protocol on tmo.com.I seem to be a hyper responder to herbs🌿 ive had consistently stronger and stronger upswings, and improvement after every one for the last 1.5 years, so I figure, why mess with a good thing?
my decision to incorporate creatine was just a desire to have some fun with body comp.
Having said all that, I still haven't entirely ruled out PHs. I do want to get my estrogen checked before I do them however, and at this point I really must recover my baseline health from before the creatine debacle before I consider doing ANYTHING out of my ordinary. Secondly, I think I need a better understanding of how we are supposed to modulate use of ultrahard and alpha four if needed. I need a clearer picture of what symptoms necessitate use of one or the other, and I honestly haven't gotten a clear understanding of that in all of my reading on here 🤷‍♂️
Please keep us posted on how your PH run goes. I know it seems like Noone uses the forum, but when I go to specific user profiles I notice people are indeed "active," i.e., likely just lurking around like I do for months sometimes.

What I noticed from the PHs was that UltraHard gave me terrible insomnia, but Super R Andro doesn’t. It seems like the dose I was taking crushed my E and it would take awhile to bounce back, so I would stick with lower doses for the first cycle, if/when you decide to do it.

[lastnoirking87]

What I noticed from the PHs was that UltraHard gave me terrible insomnia, but Super R Andro doesn’t. It seems like the dose I was taking crushed my E and it would take awhile to bounce back, so I would stick with lower doses for the first cycle, if/when you decide to do it.

Super r andro, is that the one that was real popular a few years back which is no longer available?
Secondly, hVe you any experience stacking UH with alpha four to counteract estrogen crushing? It's always this point about estrogen crushing that gets to me when I start going down the PH rabbit hole, and I just go back to "I'm doing great, why mess with it?"
I'm still curious about it though, because it's no been ruled out in my mind.

[MileyCrabz]

Super r andro, is that the one that was real popular a few years back which is no longer available?
Secondly, hVe you any experience stacking UH with alpha four to counteract estrogen crushing? It's always this point about estrogen crushing that gets to me when I start going down the PH rabbit hole, and I just go back to "I'm doing great, why mess with it?"
I'm still curious about it though, because it's no been ruled out in my mind.

IML Super R Andro Rx capsules were very popular on this forum years back. Ironmag Labs discontinued the capsules and have since made the formula Transdermal: IML Super R-Andro Cream which is still available.

Unfortunately Iconic Formulations Alpha Four has been discontinued for about a year now. Rob(Owner of IF as well as this forum) told me that it was due to licensing patents that another company held for the active(4andro). Alpha4 is sold out now at all 3rd party sellers that I’ve seen. I was lucky that Rob had some Alpha Gainz 4-Andro stashed away that I was able to pick up, but he told me it was the last of it a few months ago.

You can still get 4-Andro from a few other companies. Ironmag Labs has Super 4-Andro Cream, I’ve heard their products are legit, but I’ve never tried myself so can’t fully vouch.

4-Andro converts to testosterone which can aromatize into Estrogen. Unlike Epiandrosterone and Androsterone which are the actives in UltraHard and only covert to DHT. Hence using them together helps to not crush your estrogen, but then you have to be careful your Estrogen doesn’t raise to high(I know this from experience unfortunately haha). Would recommend a blood test before hand to see where your levels are at.

Sorry to crash your thread dude. I’ve been dying to talk about something fun on here for once lol. If you guys have any PH questions I’d be happy to do my best to answer. Or if you want more reading on PH’s besides here, than I recommend Anabolic Minds forum.