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    Of course I look for symptoms when I put something foreign into the body. Wouldn't you?


    Quote Originally Posted by Cdsnuts View Post
    Are you looking for symptoms?

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    Bizzbee's Trial with Androhard by MuscleGelz

    Quote Originally Posted by bizzbee View Post
    Of course I look for symptoms when I put something foreign into the body. Wouldn't you?
    I look for benefits

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzbee View Post
    I didn't see that guarantee posted on their page. Another reported symptom of the last night's pine pollen and mucuna intake is drier skin. Skin usually is somewhat oily. I wish I had the response some of you others have had with this stuff. I will wait until things normalize a bit and then try the 3 tablespoon experiment on a later night. I will just stick to the ones I know work for now for the PCT. I need to regain ground that was lost.
    I highly doubt one dose of pine pollen at two teaspoons would cause your skin to dry out within like 10 hours. Seems like a coincidence/over-analysis.

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    I mean, even back in the very early days of PFS when I was still drinking, it would be like five days before I noticed the negative effects. I'm always skeptical when someone claims to have a negative hormonal response within 24 hrs. I just don't think it works that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durantia37 View Post
    I mean, even back in the very early days of PFS when I was still drinking, it would be like five days before I noticed the negative effects. I'm always skeptical when someone claims to have a negative hormonal response within 24 hrs. I just don't think it works that way.
    I crashed from using an anti-androgen topically JUST ONCE. So I try not to totally be dismissive of people cause of this lol.

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    Took some tongkat ali today from Lost empire herbs. This stuff seems mellower than the LJ100 sold by source naturals. Used two scoops from the small scooper they provide which should amount to about 100mg. One thing that seems to have gained some permanent ground is the muscle hardness and density. Don't look as atrophied or flabby as before. Tomorrow will be cistanche day. Hopefully recover libido and erection strength soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzbee View Post
    Took some tongkat ali today from Lost empire herbs. This stuff seems mellower than the LJ100 sold by source naturals. Used two scoops from the small scooper they provide which should amount to about 100mg. One thing that seems to have gained some permanent ground is the muscle hardness and density. Don't look as atrophied or flabby as before. Tomorrow will be cistanche day. Hopefully recover libido and erection strength soon.

    nice biz! yours came with a scooper or is that extra? I didn't get one which is kinda annoying cuz it's hard to measure 100mg haha

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    Yes mine came with one. The LJ100 feels stronger than the Lost Empire, it also would lead to a headache afterwards if I took around two tablets (160mg). The pine pollen tincture doesn't seem to have made a dent. I think I'll finish it anyway in order to definitively know whether or not it helps. For each kind of herb that I have, I may buy from another brand in order to compare with Lost Empire. The LJ100 elicits a strong response for sure, and that at 80 mg. Perhaps my dosing needs some calibration using this scooper they provided with the packet. I used about two scoops. I think I'll up it to three to see what happens. But the workouts were killer. Really haven't had a workout like that since I was probably normal before PFS. There just wasn't the exhaustion and lack of feel for lactic acid burn. I could get more reps, more volume without the sudden exhaustion setting in.

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    I hope the other herbs pack a bigger punch. The pine pollen and it's tincture have been underwhelming.

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    Are you kidding? I have hormonal responses that arrive within hours of taking herbal t-boosters.

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    Bizzbee's Trial with Androhard by MuscleGelz

    Quote Originally Posted by Durantia37 View Post
    I mean, even back in the very early days of PFS when I was still drinking, it would be like five days before I noticed the negative effects. I'm always skeptical when someone claims to have a negative hormonal response within 24 hrs. I just don't think it works that way.
    You certainly can have a negative hormonal response within 24 hours of taking a substance and sometimes even sooner depending on what was ingested. I just don't think two teaspoons of pine pollen would manifest anything that quickly. If we were talking about a designer steroid, Maybe

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