Curious on Everyone's thoughts regarding PFS and depression

[Meegs]

Please do not take offense to this, but NO NO NO. I never experienced depression prior to PFS, nor does anyone in my family have depression. The same is true for most of the guys i talk with regularly at SolvePFS.

I've seen some weird posts on SolvePFS in this same vein where someone asks a question (based on their situation) and if they get one positive response it is confirmed that everyone is the same. Everyone with PFS is left handed, or everyone suffered from anxiety prior to PFS, or everyone with PFS has a longer index finger compared to their ring finger......

Bottom line is we are all different. Then again there are a million different variations of PFS from a symptoms and timing perspective. Some get hit after the first pill, some after taking the pill for years, and others only after they stop taking the poison.

Again, no offense is meant by this, but you can't just assume that because you have some PFS symptom or had some condition prior to PFS, that everyone fits that category.

[K8668B]

I have pondered this question many times, particularly in the early months of getting hit, I have read all the studies, even discussed them with doctors, The Harvard one in particular was interesting to me as in not finding a cause except depression. There is one coming from Baylor i'm not sure of release date. There have been polls done on PH and solve pfs of this very question and usually it splits pretty even as in some guys did have a history of depresssion, some guys didnt. The most puzzling question for me has been how do more guys not get hit with sides given the harm it did to me. The official line is i think 97% have no problems on it, I have my doubts about that.

I have suffered from anxiety and depression at various points in my life, last time I got hit with a bad episode was about five years ago HOWEVER the anxiety and depression I experienced after finasteride was in a different stratosphere, and with one key difference this time I also had physical side effects as in physical numbness of genitals and twisting of penis to a banana like shape, that is caused in my opinion by a particular ingredient of the drug and then after comes the psychological collapse, flooding the body with stress which is why some dont bounce back quickly, you stay stuck in that state, so for me its been a bit of both. Also, when I previously had issues with anxiety my libido was NEVER affected, It was always solid no matter how I felt, how much I partied etc, this was very different, the missus wearing something that would turn me into raging hard on etc all changed after fin that instinct that feeling was gone, thankfully that is changing.

Perhaps I was more vulnerable to its effects because of history with anxiety but at time of taking i was in a very good place, doing really well in career and in a solid relationship, please note I took it for less than a week and then boom I physically and mentally collapsed, length of use in my opinion is irrelevant, I've read approx forty/fifty stories of similar story after short term use.

For me a turning point was when I dropped the need to understand what causes it, if you've read ph and others you'll see the sites have been active for years and they still have not conclusively proved what causes it, maybe someday they will BUT for me I made the decision that this is bullshit I have to stop this it is not doing me any good just keeping me lost in the dark.

I completely believe in what cd has set up here and in his protocol, I have ZERO doubts about it. I know that it may seem odd not to question things as an adult however in this case I recommend blind faith, dont question, just do it. For me dropping trying to understand pfs and just following the protocol to the letter I have made very good solid improvements I am not healed but ive seen incremental improvements as in the desire for a woman coming back along with other positive improvements, if i never found swole source and was still researching the cause I would still be in a really bad way I absolutely have no doubt about it and thats why I believe there are guys on ph and solve pfs who are suffering for years and years because they cant break out of the mindset of trying to prove/understand pfs, they argue with each other over whos theory is correct when really its a dead end road and time would be better spent focusing on healing your body through diet exercise and all of the good stuff, not lost on a computer in that negative world.

Good point!

I never really had depression until after PFS. Where im at now, i have healed all negative side effects that pfs brings except for the sexual. This is just through the protocol alone. Diet, exercise, lifestyle. For a decade i was always in shape, and did some things right, but i did alot of thing wrong, and i found out how malnourished i really was. Certain problems of mine are now easily gone due to simple adjustments that i have learned from the protocol.


By the way, i never really spent that much time on PH and SolvePFS. Do they all really just sit there and whine, and go back and forth, and not do anything to try to heal? (this excludes looking for a magic pill)

[Durantia37]

funny, I remember having brain fog immediately after taking sp too. the reaction was so fast (minutes....) and so obviously from something, ie not placebo. I guess we're in that incredibly rare, super sensitive group. good thing we didn't take fin. I noticed my libido dropped within a couple weeks and my erections weren't doing great, that's when I stopped, about 3 weeks in. 3 weeks later, after feeling back to 100%, I crashed hard.

how's your progress going now? what % of recovery would you say you hover around?

I honestly have no idea. I have such huge fluctuations. I guess if you take the time just before the feast as 0% and full recovery as 100%, I'm somewhere between 25 and 35 on average. On Andro I'm more like 65% though (again, on average - there are moments of 90%). Not sure how much I'll drop off at the end of the cycle.

[Swill]

FYI, I was in the Baylor study.


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[jimmyjonas]

Good point!

I never really had depression until after PFS. Where im at now, i have healed all negative side effects that pfs brings except for the sexual. This is just through the protocol alone. Diet, exercise, lifestyle. For a decade i was always in shape, and did some things right, but i did alot of thing wrong, and i found out how malnourished i really was. Certain problems of mine are now easily gone due to simple adjustments that i have learned from the protocol.


By the way, i never really spent that much time on PH and SolvePFS. Do they all really just sit there and whine, and go back and forth, and not do anything to try to heal? (this excludes looking for a magic pill)

No it would be unfair of me to say everyone just whines and dont try to get better, there's good guys there and have been trying different methods for years, trt, various drugs but its all so random and varied. My main beef was with PH from an admin level, you'ld see time after time guys in the early stages who are in a desperate state coming for help and senior guys saying maybe youll get better maybe you wont but ive been fucked for years etc so that kind of talk is dangerous & destuctive and it can lead to contemplating suicide, i know I did after hanging there, your like oh fuck theres no way out. Overall i found it really hopeless with a lot of crazy shit thrown around.

But then you come across cd and here and hes like you will get better, do this and you will be ok, once I adjusted my thinking and rolled with it ive only felt benefits, so for me personally its the only way to go.

[K8668B]

No it would be unfair of me to say everyone just whines and dont try to get better, there's good guys there and have been trying different methods for years, trt, various drugs but its all so random and varied. My main beef was with PH from an admin level, you'ld see time after time guys in the early stages who are in a desperate state coming for help and senior guys saying maybe youll get better maybe you wont but ive been fucked for years etc so that kind of talk is dangerous & destuctive and it can lead to contemplating suicide, i know I did after hanging there, your like oh fuck theres no way out. Overall i found it really hopeless with a lot of crazy shit thrown around.

But then you come across cd and here and hes like you will get better, do this and you will be ok, once I adjusted my thinking and rolled with it ive only felt benefits, so for me personally its the only way to go.

Exactly!

But yeah, when you say they try to resort to things like TRT, thats basically a magic pill type of thing like i was talking about. Its so obvious that it would only be a temporary positive, which would eventually turn into a crash and be very detrimental. I've tried many things over the years, the decade, and although i never really experimented with anything dangerous (thank god), after awhile i knew that it was all meaningless bullshit that wouldnt get me anywhere. I was only about 50% aware of my pfs this whole time, because i was still in good physical shape, but deep down subconsciously i knew something wasnt right. I just hadnt put my finger on it yet.

Then i found this protocol. It has already healed all of my symptoms besides the sexual. I truly didnt REALLY get started until 6-21-2017, which was about 3 weeks ago.

Yes this is the only way to go. Its common sense. And so healthy for you!

I wish those guys on PH would see the light. And i WAS on SOLVEPFS for about a month, and although there were some nice people there, there definitely was alot of negativity. I would try to talk to alot of people there, and my words seemed to fall on deaf ears. Like i was talking to a bunch of drones. My introduction to the fucking place was "thank you for joining... if you could, please donate some $$$$ to the pfs foundation". Come on now....

Luckily i was only there for about a month or two. And YEARS ago, when i would occasionally browse PH, it was so scary at the time, i couldnt even read it. (before i was truly aware of my pfs).

Now nothing scares me, and i am not depressed anymore, even WITH PFS!!! I believe in this protocol!

Keep fighting the good fight, my brother!

[Sploicers]

For the sake of arguement, I did have depression as a kid. Dad and I's relationship was not too good hahaha.

On the K8668B front, dude with you 100%. I remember reading PH and thinking that was the end. My life was gone. It crushing how much you can cut of your own life line by thinking its over.

I have to say. I crashed 2 weeks ago. Best I have ever felt. And I just started taking the herbs. I think my body has been in a plea for help for years... Looking back at the diet ive had...Holy shit. Im surprised i needed SP to even crash.

People: How many stories have we fucking read where a doctor tells a patient he is paralyzed and wont walk again but then he does? How many times has someone did something that "medicine cant explain"? Thats by sheer fucking willpower. The mind is insanely strong. And with all this nutrition, its going to reward us.

[jimmyjonas]

Exactly!

But yeah, when you say they try to resort to things like TRT, thats basically a magic pill type of thing like i was talking about. Its so obvious that it would only be a temporary positive, which would eventually turn into a crash and be very detrimental. I've tried many things over the years, the decade, and although i never really experimented with anything dangerous (thank god), after awhile i knew that it was all meaningless bullshit that wouldnt get me anywhere. I was only about 50% aware of my pfs this whole time, because i was still in good physical shape, but deep down subconsciously i knew something wasnt right. I just hadnt put my finger on it yet.

Then i found this protocol. It has already healed all of my symptoms besides the sexual. I truly didnt REALLY get started until 6-21-2017, which was about 3 weeks ago.

Yes this is the only way to go. Its common sense. And so healthy for you!

I wish those guys on PH would see the light. And i WAS on SOLVEPFS for about a month, and although there were some nice people there, there definitely was alot of negativity. I would try to talk to alot of people there, and my words seemed to fall on deaf ears. Like i was talking to a bunch of drones. My introduction to the fucking place was "thank you for joining... if you could, please donate some $$$$ to the pfs foundation". Come on now....

Luckily i was only there for about a month or two. And YEARS ago, when i would occasionally browse PH, it was so scary at the time, i couldnt even read it. (before i was truly aware of my pfs).

Now nothing scares me, and i am not depressed anymore, even WITH PFS!!! I believe in this protocol!

Keep fighting the good fight, my brother!

Cheers bro, likewise, that's why I love this place, a very positive community, no surrender to this PFS shit, we stay the course and we will make it through, good luck to you

[K8668B]

People: How many stories have we fucking read where a doctor tells a patient he is paralyzed and wont walk again but then he does? How many times has someone did something that "medicine cant explain"? Thats by sheer fucking willpower. The mind is insanely strong. And with all this nutrition, its going to reward us.[/QUOTE]

Great point! Yes!!

[Ridd]

Please do not take offense to this, but NO NO NO. I never experienced depression prior to PFS, nor does anyone in my family have depression. The same is true for most of the guys i talk with regularly at SolvePFS.

I've seen some weird posts on SolvePFS in this same vein where someone asks a question (based on their situation) and if they get one positive response it is confirmed that everyone is the same. Everyone with PFS is left handed, or everyone suffered from anxiety prior to PFS, or everyone with PFS has a longer index finger compared to their ring finger......

Bottom line is we are all different. Then again there are a million different variations of PFS from a symptoms and timing perspective. Some get hit after the first pill, some after taking the pill for years, and others only after they stop taking the poison.

Again, no offense is meant by this, but you can't just assume that because you have some PFS symptom or had some condition prior to PFS, that everyone fits that category.

I see the point youre trying to make, and it's a good one. however I don't think it's relevant at all in this case considering depression is one of the few effects that has been scientifically recorded to correlate with PFS.

now I don't believe that there is one cause/effect of PFS nor that the scientific community understands this any better than we do as of right now, but they have an objective, physiological look into what we are dealing with. they have pieces, and we have pieces. the fact remains that depression is tied in to PFS, according to some of the few reputable studies we have on PFS.

I didn't say shit about being left handed or having long fingers lol.