Explain the Science of This

[Brazilianguy]

I just lowered the tone with you because you always try to say the same thing about what I say. Copy those scientific words and put on Google and You will find out the whole scientific study showing How panax ginseng is estrogenic.

Regarding tribulus acting on Androgen Receptors

Effect of Tribulus terrestris on nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide phosphate-diaphorase activity and androgen receptors in rat brain. - PubMed - NCBI (Study in rats. There are studies in humans But I imagine you don't read portugueses nor italian so I would not waste my time)

Dietary supplement

T. terrestris is now being promoted as a booster for the purpose of increasing sex drive. Its use for this purpose originated in Eastern Europe in the 1970s. It was popularized in America by 1970s strongman Jeffrey Petermann. Independent studies [5] have suggested that Tribulus terrestris extract slightly increases hormone levels, though leaving them in the normal range.

The extract is claimed to increase the body's natural testosterone levels and thereby improve male sexual performance and help build muscle. T. terrestris has consistently failed to increase testosterone levels in controlled studies.[6][7][8] It has also failed to demonstrate strength-enhancing properties.[9] However, many supplement brands have sold products that combine various herbs with T. terrestris, with debatable effects.

Tribulus has been shown to enhance sexual behaviour in an animal model.[10] It appears to do so by stimulating androgen receptors in the brain.

Some body builders use T. terrestris as post cycle therapy or "PCT". After they have completed an anabolic-steroid cycle, they use it under the assumption that it will restore the body's natural testosterone levels.
[edit] Medicinal uses"

There is a common way to talk to people. Give respect that You will receive respect. That's all I have to say.

[entropy]

Alright. So you've produced a couple studies from some strange corner of the Internet that somewhat suggest Trib effects the androgen receptor(btw that's never been proven in human studies, but some of us here feel it does) . Thats not actually what you said, nor what I called you out in. Here's what you wrote.

You may ask why you felt 75% the first time. I was also taking vitamin D, Zinc, Ômega 3, Magnesium and Tribulus (probably tribulus did the most as it acts on the estrogen receptor

[Brazilianguy]

Alright. So you've produced a couple studies from some strange corner of the Internet that somewhat suggest Trib effects the androgen receptor(btw that's never been proven in human studies, but some of us here feel it does) . Thats not actually what you said, nor what I called you out in. Here's what you wrote.

You may ask why you felt 75% the first time. I was also taking vitamin D, Zinc, Ômega 3, Magnesium and Tribulus (probably tribulus did the most as it acts on the estrogen receptor

If you continue reading I said connecting T to the androgen receptor. The part I said estrogen receptor I wrote wrong.

[entropy]

So rather than correcting me on your typo I get called a piece of shit? Niiiice.

I'm done now. I'm just gonna leave you to do your thing. For future reference, if anyone is reading back through this. I don't agree anything this guy suggests or does to his own body.

[Brazilianguy]

So rather than correcting me on your typo I get called a piece of shit? Niiiice.

I'm done now. I'm just gonna leave you to do your thing. For future reference, if anyone is reading back through this. I don't agree anything this guy suggests or does to his own body.

I just said that because it wasn't The first time that you try to say The same thing over and over like a broken record. I just said shit because I'm not an English native speaker so its hard to make a brilliant ironic sentence like you do.

Again there are studies proving what I said about tribulus and panax ginseng.

Just for the record. I never insultes anyone here. I was rude against Entropy because he was being ironic and critic without saying anything good for a while. For The others I'm sorry that I wrote wrong and changed androgen for estrogen. I was too tired and my corrector could've changed it. that's all.

[Jelisej]

At last some signs of life on this forum

Guys! Its nice to have a good debate, but lets try be constructive and without insults.

[Thanksgiving]

JJ

Thanks for all your posts and advice.

I want to come off everything I've been taking and see where my baseline is but I'm hesitant because last time I did this I crashed.

I felt about 80-90% in March

I got on a prohormone cycle and felt 95%

But then started shutting down and did a PCT but felt horrible after.

The last few months have been so up and down. I'm taking too much stuff and want to restore baseline.

In the last month I've taken
Alpha hard
Clomid
Micro dose letrozole
Low dose naltrexone
Progesterone cream
Cabergoline
Selegiline
DHEA
Viagra
Cialis
Raw thyroid

Last time I tried to come off everything I crashed. I was thinking of doing some kind of fast or detox to cleanse my system.

I read your advice about pregnanolone. I don't have access to the pill but have been taking lots of Coconut oil.

Up until last week I was able to have good sex with high dose Viagra but that function shut down after 3 days of progesterone cream.

I had been on alpha hard 11 weeks but since coming off I feel weird

I was on progesterone for a week but stopped two days ago and now am depressed

Was taking appx 50 mg of Clomid per week for 10 weeks. Helped at first but then stopped being as effective.

Was taking raw thyroid, helped at first but then started feeling very tired after taking it.

Stopped taking DHEA 3 weeks ago. Was on for 8 weeks. Helped a lot at first and my energy levels were great but then I think it started converting to E2 and shutting down LH. Adrenals crashed after coming off which is why I tried progesterone.

Been taking micro dose letrozole consistently. Not sure if this helps but E2 is a problem. I take .025 mg daily. Increased dose slightly recently upon coming off progesterone cream and DHT.

Have been on LDN for 14 weeks. It increased my focus and semen volume at first but made me very tired and achy. This could be contributing to my fatigue. Planning on discontinuing.

Been on seligiline on and off. Some days it makes me feel great but if I take it too often I get anxious

Been on cabergoline consistently.

Perhaps this post helps anyone in a similar predicament. I want to come off everything and see where my baseline is but I am very concerned about interactions and rebound effects.

[entropy]

JJ

Thanks for all your posts and advice.

I want to come off everything I've been taking and see where my baseline is but I'm hesitant because last time I did this I crashed.

I felt about 80-90% in March

I got on a prohormone cycle and felt 95%

But then started shutting down and did a PCT but felt horrible after.

The last few months have been so up and down. I'm taking too much stuff and want to restore baseline.

In the last month I've taken
Alpha hard
Clomid
Micro dose letrozole
Low dose naltrexone
Progesterone cream
Cabergoline
Selegiline
DHEA
Viagra
Cialis
Raw thyroid

Last time I tried to come off everything I crashed. I was thinking of doing some kind of fast or detox to cleanse my system.

I read your advice about pregnanolone. I don't have access to the pill but have been taking lots of Coconut oil.

Up until last week I was able to have good sex with high dose Viagra but that function shut down after 3 days of progesterone cream.

I had been on alpha hard 11 weeks but since coming off I feel weird

I was on progesterone for a week but stopped two days ago and now am depressed

Was taking appx 50 mg of Clomid per week for 10 weeks. Helped at first but then stopped being as effective.

Was taking raw thyroid, helped at first but then started feeling very tired after taking it.

Stopped taking DHEA 3 weeks ago. Was on for 8 weeks. Helped a lot at first and my energy levels were great but then I think it started converting to E2 and shutting down LH. Adrenals crashed after coming off which is why I tried progesterone.

Been taking micro dose letrozole consistently. Not sure if this helps but E2 is a problem. I take .025 mg daily. Increased dose slightly recently upon coming off progesterone cream and DHT.

Have been on LDN for 14 weeks. It increased my focus and semen volume at first but made me very tired and achy. This could be contributing to my fatigue. Planning on discontinuing.

Been on seligiline on and off. Some days it makes me feel great but if I take it too often I get anxious

Been on cabergoline consistently.

Perhaps this post helps anyone in a similar predicament. I want to come off everything and see where my baseline is but I am very concerned about interactions and rebound effects.

Dude. Thats just... Insane. Why!? Why do you guys get yourself in this situation!? You know this is going to be hard work now, right? You're taking so many different things that we just don't know where your hormones are sitting, you've created such a completely artificial hormonal environment. Everything is all over the place. All I can advise is come off one at a time, slowly, taking notes on how you feel and what changes as you remove the many, many drugs you're taking.

This is going to suck for you. Its going to be hella unpleasant, like withdrawal from drugs but eventually you'll find your baseline and stop feeling awful. Then maybe we can give you some advice. Assuming your diet and exercise is flawless?

[Jelisej]

JJ
Thanks for all your posts and advice.
I want to come off everything I've been taking and see where my baseline is but I'm hesitant because last time I did this I crashed.
I felt about 80-90% in March
I got on a prohormone cycle and felt 95%
But then started shutting down and did a PCT but felt horrible after.
The last few months have been so up and down. I'm taking too much stuff and want to restore baseline.
In the last month I've taken
Alpha hard
Clomid
Micro dose letrozole
Low dose naltrexone
Progesterone cream
Cabergoline
Selegiline
DHEA
Viagra
Cialis
Raw thyroid
Last time I tried to come off everything I crashed. I was thinking of doing some kind of fast or detox to cleanse my system.
I read your advice about pregnanolone. I don't have access to the pill but have been taking lots of Coconut oil.
Up until last week I was able to have good sex with high dose Viagra but that function shut down after 3 days of progesterone cream.
I had been on alpha hard 11 weeks but since coming off I feel weird
I was on progesterone for a week but stopped two days ago and now am depressed
Was taking appx 50 mg of Clomid per week for 10 weeks. Helped at first but then stopped being as effective.
Was taking raw thyroid, helped at first but then started feeling very tired after taking it.
Stopped taking DHEA 3 weeks ago. Was on for 8 weeks. Helped a lot at first and my energy levels were great but then I think it started converting to E2 and shutting down LH. Adrenals crashed after coming off which is why I tried progesterone.
Been taking micro dose letrozole consistently. Not sure if this helps but E2 is a problem. I take .025 mg daily. Increased dose slightly recently upon coming off progesterone cream and DHT.
Have been on LDN for 14 weeks. It increased my focus and semen volume at first but made me very tired and achy. This could be contributing to my fatigue. Planning on discontinuing.
Been on seligiline on and off. Some days it makes me feel great but if I take it too often I get anxious
Been on cabergoline consistently.
Perhaps this post helps anyone in a similar predicament. I want to come off everything and see where my baseline is but I am very concerned about interactions and rebound effects.

Your self-medication program as it makes no sense to me,
also cabergoline can make person feeling wak, falling asleep all the time and some other symptoms that are similar with low adrenal output- so maybe that cause you too feel like having "adreal crash"?

Bro' you know what I'm going to say to you- you need comprehensive blood test and appointment with doc, it will be lot cheaper-
by now you must have spend a lot of money with no avail (as many others on this forum).
So, best thing is to start from scratch, do lot of bloodtests etc...

[silverstrand]

JJ


The last few months have been so up and down. I'm taking too much stuff and want to restore baseline.

In the last month I've taken
Alpha hard
Clomid
Micro dose letrozole
Low dose naltrexone
Progesterone cream
Cabergoline
Selegiline
DHEA
Viagra
Cialis
Raw thyroid

In one month, you have tried a lot of compounds. To let you know, I bought Letrozole, Proviron, and Novaldex within the last couple months. Tell you what, last night I threw it all in the trash without trying any of it, except for some proviron for a month. I'm sticking with Andractim and Androhard while also using herbs, diet, and exercise. Every person who has healed used natural methods to get there. I'm putting my faith in their experiences and committing myself to as natural recovery as possible. The way you are approaching things will make your head yo yo from one thing to the next and add a tremendous amount of stress. I know because I'm living it. I took a step back to take a look these drugs and it struck me, NOTHING from Big Pharma is intended to heal or cure the body; rather, their products make us into long term customers by keeping the body out of balance. I'm even thinking of dropping Andractim which is a bioidentical form of DHT (However, I do like the slimming effect it has had on my mid-section/the application area). Hope this helps.