Damn...Getting Close with a Lifetime to Optimize

[Brazilianguy]

I have used tongkat in my T-booster/vitality rotation and raw black maca in my adaptogen rotation for the last 4-5 months. I have not used tribulus.

Cool. I really think T-boosters are key to recover as long as we make our body ready to them.

[Cdsnuts]

I just noticed the pictures as when I first saw the post, it was on my phone, and for some reason the pics didn't come up. Well. Done. The difference in muscle mass is phenomenal.

Really, great job Brother.

I know I sound like a broken record when it comes to this, but that's because I've seen guys stop when they should've kept going, way too often. IMO, the best parts don't come until you're recovered and you go past your "normal" baseline.

I know you'll stay with it just based on the tone of your posts. You will see just how good a man can feel on a daily basis. I mentioned this in another thread recently, but I just feel beyond great on a day to day basis. Just existing is pleasurable for me. You'll see what I mean as you continue to grow, mentally and physically. It becomes addicting.

Again, great job man.

Oh...in regards to the biochemical pathway chart you posted.....THIS is exactly why I tell guys that you need to come at this with a holistic approach. There is no possible way that you can micromanage all of the things that our bodies are designed to do with their infinite intelligence. No way. I liken it to playing a game of wack-a-mole. You take care of something over here, and something over there pops up. You take care of that thing, and then another thing pops up. It's an ENDLESS game that you WILL NOT win.

Step out of your own way, give you body and mind what it needs to do it's best work and stay consistent. The rest will certainly follow.

[Who Dat]

Damn, Thanks for the response. A lot of great advice here. Going to add a number of these to my routine. "Commando" LOL!, but a great idea. Anyone who stumbled across this forum without knowing anything about PFS would think we were some kind of crazy cult.

Would be very interested in your theory on our type of PFS. Will DM you if you don't mind.

And big Saint's fan, yes. Relocated here to help rebuild after Katrina and impossible not to get sucked in. Looks like we should have two more runs for it with Brees.

[Pageidol]

Nice one dude

[Damn]

@RickTheRuler In response to your visitor message (and several other inquires I have received) re: my hypothesis on the cause of PFS in short-term Fin users.

I am a firm believer in Occam’s razor…therefore, my hypothesis is quite simple. Although the symptoms are about as fucked up as you could imagine, I do not believe ours is that complicated of a condition (at least to understand). I believe our bodies have spent years adjusting and compensating to maintain homeostasis across our endocrine, nervous, digestive, etc. systems due to lifestyle induced imbalances (which I believe, in my case, to be primarily from chronic stress). At status quo, we would have just kept on keepin’ on…But when we threw such a powerful, exogenous chemical into the mix, this delicate balance was jolted so suddenly & violently that our bodies could not effectively compensate and things came crashing down (potentially even partly in an act of self-preservation). I do not believe there are any permanent, systemic changes caused from this that require us to do anything extraordinary. The body is amazing and will do whatever it takes first to survive and ultimately to reestablish homeostasis. That is why I believe we just need to give it a healthy environment & the time it needs and then just stay the fuck out of its way (while it painstakingly rebalances thousands of hormones, chemicals, bacterium, etc. all while keeping us alive & functioning). I really think it's that "simple" .

You’re absolutely correct, my approach (and similarly, the TMO protocol) was not "complicated" or “cutting edge”. It was well researched and well thought out, but it was quite simple. The only hard part is having the self-discipline to live by it day after day through downswings and plateaus and not give up or second guess yourself.

[Damn]

Hey guys. Thought I would drop by for a check-in. It’s fucking awesome to see some new recoveries on the scoreboard since I last visited! The rest of you can do it too. Just live a clean life and, most importantly, get the fuck out of your own heads. You will get there. I’ve not only been symptom free for over a year now, but life is honestly loads better than it was before Fin. Keep the faith brothers. Enjoy the holidays with your friends and families.

[Cdsnuts]

Hey guys. Thought I would drop by for a check-in. It’s fucking awesome to see some new recoveries on the scoreboard since I last visited! The rest of you can do it too. Just live a clean life and, most importantly, get the fuck out of your own heads. You will get there. I’ve not only been symptom free for over a year now, but life is honestly loads better than it was before Fin. Keep the faith brothers. Enjoy the holidays with your friends and families.

Thanks Damn. These check-ins from former sufferers do wonders for the guys currently in the shit. Much appreciation for the words of encouragement.

[alphacfi]

Needed this one today boss thank you! Youre an inspiration to all of us still sufferers. Happy Holidays!

[Turnover25]

Hey guys. Thought I would drop by for a check-in. It’s fucking awesome to see some new recoveries on the scoreboard since I last visited! The rest of you can do it too. Just live a clean life and, most importantly, get the fuck out of your own heads. You will get there. I’ve not only been symptom free for over a year now, but life is honestly loads better than it was before Fin. Keep the faith brothers. Enjoy the holidays with your friends and families.

Thanks for stopping by man. Please feel free to check in every now and then, the info and wisdom from all of you veterans who’ve recovered is priceless.

[joelander]

awesome to see the recoveries! inspiration and so important for people to come back and post of their triumph!........just reading this post gave me goosebumps...which means I am 'feeling' so much more than I was able to feel just a couple months ago! dam these cold ass showers are good