AAS - What's the point?

[Grape Ape]

I can relate to the addiction side. Before I knew I was taking a PH, I was taking a PH. I didn't know what PCT was at first, and after a while things caught up with me. I'd say I lost 85-90% of gains made from any PH cycle/abuse. The last 2 year's though, I corrected 90% of all my issues, and spent a large time Natty. I have run light cycles IE: The stanodrol/dermacrine I am on now. However, I don't plan on going back any time soon, and maybe only one cycle a year.

I can say, if it wasn't for the immediate results of PH's, I may have never stuck with this sport.

I contribute 80-90% of my gains to natural hard work, research and dedication. I even feel I lost a year with little gains do to the PH use or discontinuation of. I never felt better than my Natty bulk this year, and it was absolutely awesome.

[olddawg]

So Infamy, in light of the evidence brought forth in this discussion, we can draw this conclusion. Stay on.

[burlyman30]

"I seem to remember something in the 700s back in my youth. I got tested back after some cycling when I was 19. Back when hCG was considered PCT. "

Thats decent number, so you must have some other issues than low testosterone. it is actually very difficult (almost impossible) to tell where test. levels are, so it must have been something else.

Maybe I wasn't clear or you misunderstood. I know I didn't have low testosterone in my youth. It began in my early to mid 30s. All the indicators were there. I think when I was about 39 or 40 I got tested again at around 300. Reference low range on that test was 250, so doc said " you're fine" and sent me packing. I could be a bit off on the numbers, but I remember it was within about 50 points of the low. I never used PHs until I was 40-41. They definitely gave me a bit back of what I had been missing hormonally. That being said, I never used them for that purpose. It was a side effect. I just wanted to tip the anabolic scale in my favor a bit.

[olddawg]

I had a mother of an 18 year old call me last night and ask about this Nolvadex cause she found a syringe in her kids pants in the wash. the kid was skinny as a rail, now she says he's huge, bloated face etc....I facebooked him to see if I could help and he has done an 8 week cycle, test e at 250 e 3 days with a 4 week winny kicker. he is trying to gain not cut. All advice was from another 18 year old buddy in the gym. he's ready to start the nolva on sat as his last injection is on Sat. he knows nothing at all (about the effects of steroids, or how to recover, bp, etc...) and just got a buddy to help him out.

[BoneDaddy]

I had a mother of an 18 year old call me last night and ask about this Nolvadex cause she found a syringe in her kids pants in the wash. the kid was skinny as a rail, now she says he's huge, bloated face etc....I facebooked him to see if I could help and he has done an 8 week cycle, test e at 250 e 3 days with a 4 week winny kicker. he is trying to gain not cut. All advice was from another 18 year old buddy in the gym. he's ready to start the nolva on sat as his last injection is on Sat. he knows nothing at all (about the effects of steroids, or how to recover, bp, etc...) and just got a buddy to help him out.

Was Ippy on his friends list?

[Fat Bill Dwyer]

I had a mother of an 18 year old call me last night and ask about this Nolvadex cause she found a syringe in her kids pants in the wash. the kid was skinny as a rail, now she says he's huge, bloated face etc....I facebooked him to see if I could help and he has done an 8 week cycle, test e at 250 e 3 days with a 4 week winny kicker. he is trying to gain not cut. All advice was from another 18 year old buddy in the gym. he's ready to start the nolva on sat as his last injection is on Sat. he knows nothing at all (about the effects of steroids, or how to recover, bp, etc...) and just got a buddy to help him out.

^This doesn't sound nearly as bad as a lot of the PH/DS cycle 18 year olds run. (even with the f'ed up PCT, and probable misunderstanding of winny)

[nate3993]

^This doesn't sound nearly as bad as a lot of the PH/DS cycle 18 year olds run. (even with the f'ed up PCT, and probable misunderstanding of winny)

i talked to someone, skinny as fuuuuuuuuuk, who was on trimethyl x. which was phera, superdrol, and i halo i think? anyway, was drinking heavily every weekend, and then said he just randomly started to throw up, so he stopped after just a couple weeks. i told him about how he could've fukin killed himself, and he should realize how lucky he really is.

[olddawg]

Fk, this kid is a very good kid, just not too bright, wants to be big now. I've been messaging him all am trying to give him some real info. (Getting him on a tren/EQ/dbol/proviron cycle or whatever ippy did lol jk)

[BoneDaddy]

Fk, this kid is a very good kid, just not too bright, wants to be big now. I've been messaging him all am trying to give him some real info. (Getting him on a tren/EQ/dbol/proviron cycle or whatever ippy did lol jk)

Make sure you source him those magic pins, too.

[olddawg]

You're right, I've still not ran that much test yet lol