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    My Androhard musclegelz has finally arrived.

    Going to start on monday because I'm going to do a little fast this week as I binged on a few treats over xmas and want my body clean and ready

    Got a couple of bottles of Super R-Andro Rx on it's way so will be looking to do cycle that in spring. Hopefully only need to do 2-3 cycles because the stuff is quite pricey after paying customs charges

    Besides that energy has been stable, no longer need to take naps through the day. Mood is somewhat down, hopefully when I take my first cycle it will help with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alchemy View Post
    My Androhard musclegelz has finally arrived.

    Going to start on monday because I'm going to do a little fast this week as I binged on a few treats over xmas and want my body clean and ready

    Got a couple of bottles of Super R-Andro Rx on it's way so will be looking to do cycle that in spring. Hopefully only need to do 2-3 cycles because the stuff is quite pricey after paying customs charges

    Besides that energy has been stable, no longer need to take naps through the day. Mood is somewhat down, hopefully when I take my first cycle it will help with that.
    Today is the day!

    Have you ever cycled before?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cdsnuts View Post
    Today is the day!

    Have you ever cycled before?
    lol I couldn't wait, I actually started on friday so been on it for 4 days now and I'm very impressed.

    I've cycled forma stanzol before in the past which helped with shredding,libido but nothing much in terms of energy and mood that I already feeling with this.

    On friday after my first pump I felt so much stronger in the gym, really felt aggressive and powerful, destroyed legs workout without feeling wiped out afterwards

    Then in the afternoon I had so much energy and focus it was unfuckingbelievable as if I just unlocked some cheat code for infinite energy and drive. Not to mention finally feeling like a light had been turned on in my brain and could actually think very clearly. Not euphoric but alert

    My mood has seemed to even out, I don't feel so downbeat, I finding myself smiling and feeling so much more relaxed, confident, even cocky and people are smiling at me from every angle these last few days it's weird

    As far as libido is concerned, I'm getting a few random boners here and there during the day and waking up everyday with morning wood.

    I'm looking in the mirror and starting to look like a genetic freak already from the pumps these are giving

    I'm just very happy with the mental effects so far and very happy I actually have some motivation and drive to push forward.

    I'm still get plagued with worry but I have to continue marching forward regardless, it's either fight or stagnation from here.

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    Very glad to hear you are responding so well to it! What dosage did you start out at? Have you had any trouble sleeping? Have you noticed it increase your anxiety at all?

    I am very curious how you will respond to this as it seems you had similar brain fog issues to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slader1 View Post
    Very glad to hear you are responding so well to it! What dosage did you start out at? Have you had any trouble sleeping? Have you noticed it increase your anxiety at all?

    I am very curious how you will respond to this as it seems you had similar brain fog issues to me.
    I'm doing 4 pumps in the morning and 4 pumps in the afternoon. I think it works out 400mg but it's not the full dose and I'm responding well. Might increase later to 600

    Not had any trouble sleeping but wake up super early like 3am and don't go back to sleep but still don't get fatigued during the day

    So I'm operating at 5 hours sleep a day which I don't think is good but that's what my body is fine with at the min and I'm not even needing to drink coffee.

    Brain fog is improving by the day, the head pressure brick wall feeling is fading away and can think and converse very clearly. No longer do I have to focus really hard on what people are saying, i can follow conversations pretty effortlessly and come back quickly with a response

    I'm not feeling any anxiety at the moment, it's never been really bad for me to be honest, but been hesitant to socialises with friends because of low mood and declined cognitive ability where it my sentences would get broken up and sound like a retard.

    If my libido and sensitivity returned in full, I'd say I was 95% recovered since I only experience libido when with a woman . Nevertheless but im very thankful for the improvements so far.

    Oh yeah did you get that book?

    I forgot to mention I've also been doubling up on the deep belly breathing and meditation, that has also been helping great
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    Wow so you started out at 4 pumps in the morning and 4 at night? When I started at just 2 pumps I felt it kick my ass. I had a lot of trouble sleeping on it, I think it made my cortisol really high. That is probably why you are able to go with only 5 hours of sleep, because your cortisol is elevated. It's good that you aren't needing any coffee. Where you drinking much to begin with? I think "ultramind" doctor is against coffee, but I havent come across that part yet.

    That's so awesome the brain pressure is fading away! It is still such a problem for me. It is like all the nerves and feelings in my body and mind are just so constrained and restricted. I have to muster every ounce of energy to focus and it's still not enough to read or think clearly. It's like being retarded but also super uincomfortable and strange feeling for me. I hate it!

    So your libido and sensitivity are 95% returned? Or not yet?

    I did get the book and have read the first couple chapters. It is pretty itneresting how screwed up this guy was from the bad air in china and other things. I wonder if his approach will work as well for pfs, though.

    I definitely need to start deep breathing and meditating. I just can't seem to find the willpower. Maybe cold showers will help with that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by slader1 View Post
    Wow so you started out at 4 pumps in the morning and 4 at night? When I started at just 2 pumps I felt it kick my ass. I had a lot of trouble sleeping on it, I think it made my cortisol really high. That is probably why you are able to go with only 5 hours of sleep, because your cortisol is elevated. It's good that you aren't needing any coffee. Where you drinking much to begin with? I think "ultramind" doctor is against coffee, but I havent come across that part yet.

    That's so awesome the brain pressure is fading away! It is still such a problem for me. It is like all the nerves and feelings in my body and mind are just so constrained and restricted. I have to muster every ounce of energy to focus and it's still not enough to read or think clearly. It's like being retarded but also super uincomfortable and strange feeling for me. I hate it!

    So your libido and sensitivity are 95% returned? Or not yet?

    I did get the book and have read the first couple chapters. It is pretty it ineresting how screwed up this guy was from the bad air in china and other things. I wonder if his approach will work as well for pfs, though.

    I definitely need to start deep breathing and meditating. I just can't seem to find the willpower. Maybe cold showers will help with that!
    Yeah 4 pumps morning and afternoon. I think I will stay on this them increase to full 6 pump dosage after 2 weeks.

    I think the doctor is against coffee from what I remember reading the book, but I just eliminate it because my body now doesn't need it. If it does need it, I won't hesitate to have a cup

    I was probably drinking 1-2 cups of coffee a day, a nootropic type. Normal coffee gets me too hyped up and dehydrates my body so I don't like taking it


    The head pressure has definitely improved, no more foggy thinking that's for sure., the only thing missing is libido.

    Like I said if that came back along with sensitivity then I'd consider myself 95% recovered but it is confined to sexual activity only at this point.

    Confidence is definitely increasing, I feel like an absolute end game boss in the gym. Anxiety would often crop up in public but now I feel powerful and have presence again

    The doctors approach is similar to the protocol, besides the extensive list of multivitamin supplements on his list and shoddy diet plan, which I don't think are needed for recovery so long as you are eating good healthy unprocessed foods and staying away from grains and shit

    Like I take a multiple vitamin B complex and probiotics/preprobiotics that's recommended from the book list. Besides that I don't see the point of mixing protocols. The body just needs to be given the right nourishment, rest and mind needs work through relaxation/yoga/meditation

    I just think it's a great read to give another perspective and another case of someone suffering from similar symptoms who recovered. It always helps as a reference when believing/thinking recovery isn't possible not to mention the numerous cases he's treated and good roadmap for gut issues which is what mostly causes the brain fog due to triggering foods causing inflammation

    Back 3 months ago when I was eating whatever the hell I wanted, I could barely think and talk. After fasting, clean diet, herbs and now doing an andro run, I think like a new person and having deep intellectual conversations with people without much trouble finding and articulating my speech

    In your case as Bankai stressed, i'd jump into a fast and decide a protocol to follow and stick to it and get back in the mindset that recovery/healing is possible because imho that's your biggest hurdle right now. Dipping your toes in too many different approaches and trying to sync them all because you're unsure if one is better than the other.

    There are many ways to heal the body, you just got to choose which way you want to go and stick with it.

    I love this protocol because it's so simple and relatively easy to follow, feels natural and don't have to jump through hundreds of tests to carry it out.

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    Man alchemy that's awesome. Being able to think and talk again sounds like it would be so fun. I just don't get why I can't improve even after eating clean, trying a littany of vitamin's and minerals, and working out. Maybe you're right and I need to stick more precisely with one exact protocol, but it still doesn't make sense that I wouldn't sense some improvement. Day to day I am still suffering so much I can barely stand it, most of body is numb if it isn't hurting, I have constant head pressures or aches, and I feel like Im not even inside of my own body which is the most disturbing and uncomfortable thing. It's very hard to get through a day when you can just barely sense the world around you, and then you need to stick to a difficult diet, meditate, take cold showers, workout, and do all these other things which I can't find any willpower to accomplish. I guess one just keeps marching on though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slader1 View Post
    Man alchemy that's awesome. Being able to think and talk again sounds like it would be so fun. I just don't get why I can't improve even after eating clean, trying a littany of vitamin's and minerals, and working out. Maybe you're right and I need to stick more precisely with one exact protocol, but it still doesn't make sense that I wouldn't sense some improvement. Day to day I am still suffering so much I can barely stand it, most of body is numb if it isn't hurting, I have constant head pressures or aches, and I feel like Im not even inside of my own body which is the most disturbing and uncomfortable thing. It's very hard to get through a day when you can just barely sense the world around you, and then you need to stick to a difficult diet, meditate, take cold showers, workout, and do all these other things which I can't find any willpower to accomplish. I guess one just keeps marching on though.
    Well all I can say is that if it were me and didn't see any improvements despite efforts with diet and working out, I'd stop to reassess and go back to the basics. And by that I mean stripping everything back down through fasting like what I suggest before.

    Because you could be confusing/overloading your body with too many different supplements, food type combinations that don't mix that is holding you back.

    For example with myself, several months back I thought my diet was excellent, I was eating loads of superfoods, vegetables, beans, lentils, nuts, smoothies, staying away from diary, grains and limiting my meat consumption.

    I found out I was making myself worse through consuming too much indigestible fibres through the beans, lentils along with not soaking the nuts and seeds so wasn't getting any of the enzymes. Then I was getting Too much sugar with the fruits and not eating enough lean grass fed meats.

    This is why I kept on getting horrible skin rashes, diarrhoea and brain fog wasn't improving only at the times I fasted.

    Since I stripped my diet down to predominately paleo keto based, with lots of eggs, meats, cruciferous vegatebles, fruit on it's own as a mono meal on carb loading days, bone broth and raw milk kefir even (though I'm lactose intolorent I can tolorent it raw), no more stomach problems and I'm noticing now finally my psoriasis is clearing up which I've had a problem with for years, so now I know my gut is finally healing up and the best thing is now is that my diet is no longer complicated since like you i don't like to overthink and hate preparation, I just make sure I eat good proteins and fats combination meals and 2 cups worth of vegetables for the day.

    The only vitamins I take are vitamin D, B complex and some pro and pre biotics. The essential minerals I get from high quality organ meats.

    But yeah I would strongly suggest like the other poster suggested to fast for some days, clean your body and decide on one particular anti inflammatory diet to stick to that is going to help with your gut and decide on what protocol you what to do

    I even do maintenance fasts, so I try to have one at least once a week or one every 2weeks with intermittent fasting and you be surprised how good it makes you feel since it's important to give your body especially the gut and liver a break from having to process foods and supplements which can be very taxing on the system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alchemy View Post
    Well all I can say is that if it were me and didn't see any improvements despite efforts with diet and working out, I'd stop to reassess and go back to the basics. And by that I mean stripping everything back down through fasting like what I suggest before.

    Because you could be confusing/overloading your body with too many different supplements, food type combinations that don't mix that is holding you back.

    For example with myself, several months back I thought my diet was excellent, I was eating loads of superfoods, vegetables, beans, lentils, nuts, smoothies, staying away from diary, grains and limiting my meat consumption.

    I found out I was making myself worse through consuming too much indigestible fibres through the beans, lentils along with not soaking the nuts and seeds so wasn't getting any of the enzymes. Then I was getting Too much sugar with the fruits and not eating enough lean grass fed meats.

    This is why I kept on getting horrible skin rashes, diarrhoea and brain fog wasn't improving only at the times I fasted.

    Since I stripped my diet down to predominately paleo keto based, with lots of eggs, meats, cruciferous vegatebles, fruit on it's own as a mono meal on carb loading days, bone broth and raw milk kefir even (though I'm lactose intolorent I can tolorent it raw), no more stomach problems and I'm noticing now finally my psoriasis is clearing up which I've had a problem with for years, so now I know my gut is finally healing up and the best thing is now is that my diet is no longer complicated since like you i don't like to overthink and hate preparation, I just make sure I eat good proteins and fats combination meals and 2 cups worth of vegetables for the day.

    The only vitamins I take are vitamin D, B complex and some pro and pre biotics. The essential minerals I get from high quality organ meats.

    But yeah I would strongly suggest like the other poster suggested to fast for some days, clean your body and decide on one particular anti inflammatory diet to stick to that is going to help with your gut and decide on what protocol you what to do

    I even do maintenance fasts, so I try to have one at least once a week or one every 2weeks with intermittent fasting and you be surprised how good it makes you feel since it's important to give your body especially the gut and liver a break from having to process foods and supplements which can be very taxing on the system.
    Interesting, thanks. Are you sure that eating fruit or drinking juice makes you worse? I followed peat diet strictly for years (lots of juice, milk, and coffee) and along with taking some hormones I was able to think a lot sharper (though never cured). Do you think the sugar feeds bacteria in the gut to cause inflammation? Is it too much of a burden on the liver? I want to understand the reason sugar is inflammatory.

    On your previous diet you were eating legumes, starches, etc, which are known to be inflammatory. The fiber and starch itself can irritate the gut and cause endotoxin and bacteria to form. So maybe on this previous diet it was this and not the juices/sugars which were the problem?

    Also it is funny you are able to tolerate raw dairy yet are lactose intolerant. Raw milk still has lactose, so maybe it is not that which is a problem for you, but the casein. I know some people ahve problems with A1 milk but are fine on A2. Personally, sometimes I react perfectly fine to milk and feel like it is nourishing me and keeping me warm, other times I get stomach cramps and loose stools. It is hit or miss, so I figure I better err on the safe side and stay away from it for the most part.
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