Test Results

[English]

Fuck me silverstrand. When are you going to realise that you need to look at what worked with guys like CD, me, entropy, mitch, chi........ I don't ever remember a recovery story involving a shed load of chemicals.

You do not need an endo or - brilliant as he is - Jel - You need a spiritual awakening my friend, you need to believe in your own bodies ability to repair itself with proper nutrition, exercise and mindset. I've read about tens of people, male and female with thyroid issues that cured themselves with a mixture of lifestyle and mental changes. Yes you might need some thyroxin or whatever it is on a temporary basis, but you must wean yourself off prescription drugs, and your body will recover provided you point it in the right direction with your mind.

Also, amazed to see Brazillian guy on clomid etc. I know he has been on the right path in the past.

What is it with you guys? You see what people who recover do, you start doing it for a period of time that is always too short, and then turn to chemicals.

You need to believe in nothing but a very healthy lifestyle and a very positive and happy mental approach for at least 24 months. If you genuinely follow the path of CD, entropy, me, mitch, chi ........... for that period of time, and you maintain a daily positive mental attitude, laughing etc. you will see massive gains to full recovery in that time.

[silverstrand]

You need to believe in nothing but a very healthy lifestyle and a very positive and happy mental approach for at least 24 months. If you genuinely follow the path of CD, entropy, me, mitch, chi ........... for that period of time, and you maintain a daily positive mental attitude, laughing etc. you will see massive gains to full recovery in that time.

Very true English. Btw, this past week has been very pivotal. The amount of stress has dropped tremendously as I can see the end in sight finally. The biggest thing driving my sense of urgency was the pain and torture of not being able to sleep. After a few days of not falling asleep for even one minute, you'll try absolutely ANYTHING to make the pain stop. This is the most dangerous part of the whole process I think because real damage can be done. I've got it under control now. You are right, right, right, that once you truly believe healing is possible, the stress drops and healing takes place.

[Brazilianguy]

Fuck me silverstrand. When are you going to realise that you need to look at what worked with guys like CD, me, entropy, mitch, chi........ I don't ever remember a recovery story involving a shed load of chemicals.

You do not need an endo or - brilliant as he is - Jel - You need a spiritual awakening my friend, you need to believe in your own bodies ability to repair itself with proper nutrition, exercise and mindset. I've read about tens of people, male and female with thyroid issues that cured themselves with a mixture of lifestyle and mental changes. Yes you might need some thyroxin or whatever it is on a temporary basis, but you must wean yourself off prescription drugs, and your body will recover provided you point it in the right direction with your mind.

Also, amazed to see Brazillian guy on clomid etc. I know he has been on the right path in the past.

What is it with you guys? You see what people who recover do, you start doing it for a period of time that is always too short, and then turn to chemicals.

You need to believe in nothing but a very healthy lifestyle and a very positive and happy mental approach for at least 24 months. If you genuinely follow the path of CD, entropy, me, mitch, chi ........... for that period of time, and you maintain a daily positive mental attitude, laughing etc. you will see massive gains to full recovery in that time.

You're totally right English. The best protocol for me so far was gym, diet (less carbs but still eating them), Brazil nuts and tribulus. When I cycled the tribulus, surprisingly I got 75% recovered for 2 months, during these 2 months I hang out with a lot of girls, my friends even said, calm down or you will get an STD. The problem after that was that I wanted to get even better, like 100% again, and I decided to try progesterone cream because I saw some guys getting great results from it.

Progesterone cream made me crash hard, also, I know some guys will disagree, weed made me crash hard and gave me gynecomastia.

My experience with tamoxifen was interesting, because the first 3 days on 20mg made me feel 40% recovered, then I took 10mg with tribulus everyday and got 50% recovered, was feeling really good until I started to notice some joint pain, and before the pain I took 0.5mg of Adex just to prevent any increase of E. Man this made me get an estrogen rebound so strong that my nipples started to burn and I was hanging out with a girl, I was getting good and bad very fast, like moody, some times happy. I could achieve 5 erections with her, but the day after I crashed.

Clomid gave me bigger balls, and 30% better, but I think my body was already saturated from serms because I was taking E3D and sometimes it was too much for me (even 12.5mg) and I was getting tired and my dick was shrinking. So I decided to stop, will wait the medicine get out of my body and then cycle tribulus.


My friend is getting good experience with sustain alpha, but sometimes he thinks he takes too much, like his emotions disappear, like he feels a lack of dopamine, so music start to not sound so great, orgasm gets a little bit worse.



CD, I'd like to ask you a question if it doesn't mind you. Do you think the most beneficial and faster recovery came after androhard? I mean, not by androhard itself, but if I'm not wrong, you took it for 6 weeks, and then PCT, when you started the pct, did you notice sustain alpha working better? Also the same with the herbs? I'm asking it because you got 6 weeks without using it and it's time enough to leave your system, so would give better results. Also that's what I feel with tribulus, and my friend said he felt the same with sustain alpha.

Also when you were on PCT would you apply sustain alpha exactly like it is said to apply or you took less, because I read that you said that sustain alpha would obliterate your E, and my friend is getting the same thing, he asked me to ask you because he doesn't have a profile here.


Thank you.

[silverstrand]

You're totally right English. The best protocol for me so far was gym, diet (less carbs but still eating them), Brazil nuts and tribulus. When I cycled the tribulus, surprisingly I got 75% recovered for 2 months, during these 2 months I hang out with a lot of girls, my friends even said, calm down or you will get an STD. The problem after that was that I wanted to get even better, like 100% again, and I decided to try progesterone cream because I saw some guys getting great results from it.

Progesterone cream made me crash hard, also, I know some guys will disagree, weed made me crash hard and gave me gynecomastia.

My experience with tamoxifen was interesting, because the first 3 days on 20mg made me feel 40% recovered, then I took 10mg with tribulus everyday and got 50% recovered, was feeling really good until I started to notice some joint pain, and before the pain I took 0.5mg of Adex just to prevent any increase of E. Man this made me get an estrogen rebound so strong that my nipples started to burn and I was hanging out with a girl, I was getting good and bad very fast, like moody, some times happy. I could achieve 5 erections with her, but the day after I crashed.

Clomid gave me bigger balls, and 30% better, but I think my body was already saturated from serms because I was taking E3D and sometimes it was too much for me (even 12.5mg) and I was getting tired and my dick was shrinking. So I decided to stop, will wait the medicine get out of my body and then cycle tribulus.


My friend is getting good experience with sustain alpha, but sometimes he thinks he takes too much, like his emotions disappear, like he feels a lack of dopamine, so music start to not sound so great, orgasm gets a little bit worse.



CD, I'd like to ask you a question if it doesn't mind you. Do you think the most beneficial and faster recovery came after androhard? I mean, not by androhard itself, but if I'm not wrong, you took it for 6 weeks, and then PCT, when you started the pct, did you notice sustain alpha working better? Also the same with the herbs? I'm asking it because you got 6 weeks without using it and it's time enough to leave your system, so would give better results. Also that's what I feel with tribulus, and my friend said he felt the same with sustain alpha.

Also when you were on PCT would you apply sustain alpha exactly like it is said to apply or you took less, because I read that you said that sustain alpha would obliterate your E, and my friend is getting the same thing, he asked me to ask you because he doesn't have a profile here.


Thank you.

CD is a responder to Resveratrol. I've tried it before and I dont believe I'm as sensative to it as he. English also said, he felt it didn't do much for him. Its all dependant on the individual.

[silverstrand]

As of 11/5/2015

Total T4 5.9 (4.5-12.5) ug/dl
Fee T3 2.93 (2.3-4.2) pg/ml
Ferritin 129 (28-365) ng/ml
Vit D (25-OH) 41.9 (>30 -100) ng/ml

FSH 3.1 (1.4-18.1) miu/ml
LH 4.2 (1.5-9.3) miu/ml
Progesterone .45 (.28-1.22) ng/ml

Estradiol 40.5 (<39.8) pg/ml
Estrone 56 (12-72) pg/ml
SHBG 49.2 (10-57) nmol/l
Total Testosterone 572 (240-950) ng/dl
Free Testosterone 3.87 (4.25-30.37) pg/dl

DHEA-S 118 (80-560) ug/dl
DHEA 2.45 (1.8-12.5) ng/ml

Jel, anyone, whats the ideal Ferritin level - there's mixed info on the web?
Also, estrogen and shbg are killing my test levels plus taxing my adrenals. I'll be working on this.

[silverstrand]

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As of 10/7/2015

FSH 2.3 mlU/mL
LH 2.3 lU/mL
Testosterone Total 551 ng/dl (240-950)
Testosterone Free 4.78 pg/mL (4.25-30.37)
Bioavailable Test 251 ng/dl
Estrone 47 pg/mL (12-72)
Estradiol 21.8 pg/mL
Estriol, Serum <0.1 ng/mL
SHBG 44.4 nmol/L (10-57)
DHT 121 ng/dL (30-85)

Pregnenolone 14 ng/dL (<151)
Progesterone <0.15 ng/mL
Prolactin 3.52 ng/ML (2.5-17.0)

DHEA-S 154 ug/dL (80-560)
DHEA 1.86 ng/mL (1.8-12.50)
Free Cortisol .15 ug/dL

Vitamin D Total 43.2 ng/mL (>30-100) (this surprises me because I'm taking 5000 iu daily) - thought it'd be higher

Total T4 6.6 ug/dL (4.5-12.5)
T3 Reverse 12.6 ng/dL (9.2-24.1)
T3 Uptake 28% (22-35)
T7 (FTI)(Calc.) 1.8 Index (1.0-4.4)
TSH (3rd gener.) .549 ulU/mL (.340-5.6)
Thyrogl.Auto Abs <20.0 IU/mL (<40)
TPO Antibody <10.0 IU/mL (<35)

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As of 11/5/2015

Total T4 5.9 (4.5-12.5) ug/dl
Fee T3 2.93 (2.3-4.2) pg/ml
Ferritin 129 (28-365) ng/ml
Vit D (25-OH) 41.9 (>30 -100) ng/ml

FSH 3.1 (1.4-18.1) miu/ml
LH 4.2 (1.5-9.3) miu/ml
Progesterone .45 (.28-1.22) ng/ml

Estradiol 40.5 (<39.8) pg/ml
Estrone 56 (12-72) pg/ml
SHBG 49.2 (10-57) nmol/l
Total Testosterone 572 (240-950) ng/dl
Free Testosterone 3.87 (4.25-30.37) pg/dl

DHEA-S 118 (80-560) ug/dl
DHEA 2.45 (1.8-12.5) ng/ml

Jel, anyone, whats the ideal Ferritin level - there's mixed info on the web?
Also, estrogen and shbg are killing my test levels plus taxing my adrenals. I'll be working on this.

12/02/2015

TSH 1.071 (.340-5.6) uIU/mL
Total T4 6.8 (4.5-12.5) ug/dl
Free T4 1.2 (.8-1.9) ng/dL
Fee T3 3.28 (2.3-4.2) pg/ml
Ferritin 161 (28-365) ng/ml
Vit D (25-OH) 48.3 (>30 -100) ng/ml

FSH 4.0 (1.4-18.1) miu/ml
LH 5.7 (1.5-9.3) miu/ml
Progesterone .25 (.28-1.22) ng/ml

Estradiol 40.0 (<39.8) pg/ml
Estrone 78 (12-72) pg/ml
SHBG 46.2 (10-57) nmol/l
Total Testosterone 691 (240-950) ng/dl
Free Testosterone 5.91 (4.25-30.37) pg/dl

DHEA-S 178 (80-560) ug/dl
DHEA 2.56 (1.8-12.5) ng/ml

Fuck me, my estrogen is stubborn!

[silverstrand]

12/02/2015


Quote Originally Posted by silverstrand View Post

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As of 10/7/2015

FSH 2.3 mlU/mL
LH 2.3 lU/mL
Testosterone Total 551 ng/dl (240-950)
Testosterone Free 4.78 pg/mL (4.25-30.37)
Bioavailable Test 251 ng/dl
Estrone 47 pg/mL (12-72)
Estradiol 21.8 pg/mL
Estriol, Serum <0.1 ng/mL
SHBG 44.4 nmol/L (10-57)
DHT 121 ng/dL (30-85)

Pregnenolone 14 ng/dL (<151)
Progesterone <0.15 ng/mL
Prolactin 3.52 ng/ML (2.5-17.0)

DHEA-S 154 ug/dL (80-560)
DHEA 1.86 ng/mL (1.8-12.50)
Free Cortisol .15 ug/dL

Vitamin D Total 43.2 ng/mL (>30-100) (this surprises me because I'm taking 5000 iu daily) - thought it'd be higher

Total T4 6.6 ug/dL (4.5-12.5)
T3 Reverse 12.6 ng/dL (9.2-24.1)
T3 Uptake 28% (22-35)
T7 (FTI)(Calc.) 1.8 Index (1.0-4.4)
TSH (3rd gener.) .549 ulU/mL (.340-5.6)
Thyrogl.Auto Abs <20.0 IU/mL (<40)
TPO Antibody <10.0 IU/mL (<35)

__________________________________________________ ______________________
As of 11/5/2015

Total T4 5.9 (4.5-12.5) ug/dl
Fee T3 2.93 (2.3-4.2) pg/ml
Ferritin 129 (28-365) ng/ml
Vit D (25-OH) 41.9 (>30 -100) ng/ml

FSH 3.1 (1.4-18.1) miu/ml
LH 4.2 (1.5-9.3) miu/ml
Progesterone .45 (.28-1.22) ng/ml

Estradiol 40.5 (<39.8) pg/ml
Estrone 56 (12-72) pg/ml
SHBG 49.2 (10-57) nmol/l
Total Testosterone 572 (240-950) ng/dl
Free Testosterone 3.87 (4.25-30.37) pg/dl

DHEA-S 118 (80-560) ug/dl
DHEA 2.45 (1.8-12.5) ng/ml

Jel, anyone, whats the ideal Ferritin level - there's mixed info on the web?
Also, estrogen and shbg are killing my test levels plus taxing my adrenals. I'll be working on this.

__________________________________________________ _____________________
12/02/2015

TSH 1.071 (.340-5.6) uIU/mL
Total T4 6.8 (4.5-12.5) ug/dl
Free T4 1.2 (.8-1.9) ng/dL
Fee T3 3.28 (2.3-4.2) pg/ml
Ferritin 161 (28-365) ng/ml
Vit D (25-OH) 48.3 (>30 -100) ng/ml

FSH 4.0 (1.4-18.1) miu/ml
LH 5.7 (1.5-9.3) miu/ml
Progesterone .25 (.28-1.22) ng/ml

Estradiol 40.0 (<39.8) pg/ml
Estrone 78 (12-72) pg/ml
SHBG 46.2 (10-57) nmol/l
Total Testosterone 691 (240-950) ng/dl
Free Testosterone 5.91 (4.25-30.37) pg/dl

DHEA-S 178 (80-560) ug/dl
DHEA 2.56 (1.8-12.5) ng/ml

Fuck me, my estrogen is stubborn!

12/29/2015

TSH .011 (.340-5.6) uIU/mL
Total T4 9.1 (4.5-12.5) ug/dl
Free T4 1.9 (.8-1.9) ng/dL
Fee T3 5.06 (2.3-4.2) pg/ml
T7 (FTI)(Calc) 3.1 (1-4.4 Index)
T3 Uptake 34.3 (22-35%)
Vit D (25-OH) 55.1 (>30 -100) ng/ml

FSH 8.5 (1.4-18.1) miu/ml
LH 19.5 (1.5-9.3) miu/ml
Progesterone .25 (.28-1.22) ng/ml

Estradiol <11.8 (<39.8) pg/ml
Estrone 53 (12-72) pg/ml
SHBG 65.2 (10-57) nmol/l
Total Testosterone 849 (240-950) ng/dl
Free Testosterone 11.90 (4.25-30.37) pg/dl

DHEA-S 179 (80-560) ug/dl
DHEA 2.98 (1.8-12.5) ng/ml

IGF-1 155 (115-307) ng/ml
HDL 54 (>40 mg/dl)
LDL 73 (<100 mg/dl)

Notes: Finally controlling estrogen to some extent. Its surprising because my SHBG went up. I still have too much conversion to Estrone; however, I'm backing off now on Estrogen control because Estrodial is low and my LH is way too high. I'm also reducing Thyroid support - TSH is low and T3 is high. I will tapper down slowly and follow with tests.
Some positives is finally my Free Test broke its strangle hold even with SHBG rising.

[Cdsnuts]

I see this phenomenon over and over again with these guys. They just DON'T do it consistently for a long enough period of time. It's the same thing, guy after guy after guy. They don't recover in a month or two so they scrap the whole thing and just start throwing chemicals at it. It doesn't help that they are on bodybuilding forums reading what other guys are doing who maybe share their symptoms....the BIG difference is that those other guys don't have PFS. What works for them isn't going to work for the PFS guys. If it did, there wouldn't be such a thing as PFS!!

The other thing is they don't really buy into the whole mindset thing......AT ALL. I know alot of guys just think that is the biggest crop of bullshit going. The sad thing is, IT'S NOT, as you know, I know, and most of the successfully recovered people know. If they could just get their brain on board, the body would follow. It really doesn't have a choice.

[English]

I see this phenomenon over and over again with these guys. They just DON'T do it consistently for a long enough period of time. It's the same thing, guy after guy after guy. They don't recover in a month or two so they scrap the whole thing and just start throwing chemicals at it. It doesn't help that they are on bodybuilding forums reading what other guys are doing who maybe share their symptoms....the BIG difference is that those other guys don't have PFS. What works for them isn't going to work for the PFS guys. If it did, there wouldn't be such a thing as PFS!!

The other thing is they don't really buy into the whole mindset thing......AT ALL. I know alot of guys just think that is the biggest crop of bullshit going. The sad thing is, IT'S NOT, as you know, I know, and most of the successfully recovered people know. If they could just get their brain on board, the body would follow. It really doesn't have a choice.

Yeah i know, it drives me crazy too and is the main reason why i come onto these boards, get driven crazy and disappear for months. These idiots come from PH to here saying they want to listen, like our posts and say all the right things, and then chuck a load of chemicals down their throats. Anyway, i only came back yesterday to check my recovery post is getting some PH air time. I really am going for good now as i really don't this is an effective use of my time to be flogging a dead horse, after all you, i and a number of others have explained in great detail how we recovered multiple times, at some point it has to be the responsibility of the guy himself to actually follow through.

I was hoping we could raise the stats from maybe one in 50 or whatever it is recovering to something much better, but it appears to me that maybe there are only one in 50 guys capable of following through with the plan. It's not even that fucking hard!!

So i'm off mate (doesn't help that the fucking login button doesn't work!!), but you and i have unfinished business away from all this anyhow, so i'll be seeing you bud, and thank you once again (don't think i'll ever be able to stop thanking you!!!!)

[English]

Was just reading a private message before logging off for the final time, and it was nice to find a message from one of the guys that are maybe the one in 50. I've had maybe 10 of these types of messages over the last 12 months, but literally hundreds from idiots, not just from this forum, but from PH who think chemicals are the answer after giving up (after about 2 months) the healthy mind and body route advocated by pretty much everyone who recovers permanently, so i figure it is kinda nice to sign off by reposting this guys message to me - sanitized of ID. If any of you massive fucking morons (49 out of 50 of the PH type crew) come across this message (which is from one of the guys who was suffering just like you) then maybe it might just turn one of you into a recoverer. Note the reference to "mind". Also note that i also pasted my reply as you might find it helpful, and don't think for a minute i have posted this out of vanity as i am just a screen name and have only been an on off internet presence, and am going for good now to get on with my life.

This guy is on the way, not there yet, but he has the momentum and understands he needs to keep going with the common sense route of CDNUTS, Chi, entropy, myself, bizzbee333, mitch.............

"I wanted to tell you that after 18 months of suffering and reading PH I found your history and It changed my mind. In just two months I am MUCH better, sometimes almost recovered (I still have some bad days), but the best thing is that I have no doubt I will be fine quite soon without taking anything.

I do not know you but I will always remenber you.

Thanks buddy.[/QUOTE]

Hi .....,

Great to speak to the one in 50! It means alot to hear from you and others like you (there are not many hence the one in 50 line)

it's important now that you keep bettering your plan, keep improving your life and removing yourself from pfs chatter. sometimes you can be doing the plan for months without any improvement at all, and then - bam! - you suddenly go up a level, and that is because a whole set of genes upregulates and you get more of the old you back, eventually you realise you are fully recovered, but keep doing the plan for years and create distance. Leave these forums now, there is nothing wrong with you.
Oh, and use this line in your head which i borrowed from CD "You need to stick to your plan most when you've seen no improvement for a long time - stick to the plan like a fucking mule"

Now go and achieve something great in your life, and when you feel truly recovered, try to help others for a while, then leave for good. It's important to give back and create a virtuous circle, but recover fully first my friend.

cheers Dude