Turnover 25's road to kick PFS in the ass

[Cdsnuts]

Hey CD, is it recommended that we take a rest day once a week from lifting/HIIT?

Yes, for sure. But that being said, you could always do something very low impact such as yoga or a full body foam rolling session on that rest day.

[Turnover25]

Yes, for sure. But that being said, you could always do something very low impact such as yoga or a full body foam rolling session on that rest day.

Thanks CD, will do. Been on the protocol for about 3 months, just implemented heavy lifting, HIIT and carb backloading. Also just ordered 11 herbs to begin my rotation in the following couple of weeks once my semester ends and I get some down time. Been strict with diet, cold showers and xeno-estrogens since the start, excited to finally start cycling!

[Cdsnuts]

Thanks CD, will do. Been on the protocol for about 3 months, just implemented heavy lifting, HIIT and carb backloading. Also just ordered 11 herbs to begin my rotation in the following couple of weeks once my semester ends and I get some down time. Been strict with diet, cold showers and xeno-estrogens since the start, excited to finally start cycling!

Okay, so you haven't started the herbs yet? Did I read that wrong? If not, why did you wait so long?

[Turnover25]

Okay, so you haven't started the herbs yet? Did I read that wrong? If not, why did you wait so long?

Not yet. I wanted to follow TMO exactly as it was laid out, also it noted that I should wait until my diet and exercise were on point first so I built myself up. Also I noticed a lot of guys who jumped in early didn’t get results so I took things slow. Plus I was extremely sensitive to anything I put in my body so I that made me pretty nervous. I feel I’m in a better spot now to begin.

[Benq123]

Hey CD, is it recommended that we take a rest day once a week from lifting/HIIT?

You should probably always have at least 1 rest day every week to prevent burnout, especially with PFS. Also remember to take a deload week/week off every once in a while, something like 6-12 weeks is the general recommendation.

[Turnover25]

You should probably always have at least 1 rest day every week to prevent burnout, especially with PFS. Also remember to take a deload week/week off every once in a while, something like 6-12 weeks is the general recommendation.

Thanks man.

[Maxout777]

Wanted your input on something (or anyone else who has recovered). It seems that either spiralina or chlorella are making me feel horrible, like a certain type of bad that I haven't felt since the beginning days. I really don't want to bin a daily supplement if its a crucial element to recovery, if need be, is it ok to do so? I'm wondering basically if maybe something making you feel bad could actually mean its working? Just wanted to ask before I make a decision. I was gonna take it for a little longer to see, but I can't realistically see myself staying in this mindset for too long, I'm feeling very dark/anxious/suicidal and that spacey brain fog feeling is back but it has been more absent for a while, also messing with my vision pretty bad.

I had the same problem on both. I binned them at the time, and never used them.

Knowing what I know now, you’re probably copper toxic, and these are both strong chelators of copper. When chelating copper you feel like shit. I’d just bin it for now.

[Turnover25]

I had the same problem on both. I binned them at the time, and never used them.

Knowing what I know now, you’re probably copper toxic, and these are both strong chelators of copper. When chelating copper you feel like shit. I’d just bin it for now.

Hey man, thanks for that. I feel better knowing you recovered without it, I’m going to bin them both and see how I feel in the following week.
I have a ton of tattoos, maybe that’s a cause for copper toxicity? Not sure exactly which types of heavy metals are in ink specifically.

[Turnover25]

Gonna make a little mental note here on my thread for future use, looking back at this stuff once I’ve made progress really helps remind me how far I’ve come. I’ve just hit a MASSIVE downswing, feels like the early days of crashing. Extremely bad fever, crushing migraine, memory loss, brain fog returned pretty much full force, SEVERE anhedonia. No anxiety though (score). I’ve forgotten just how brutal my brain fog used to be until now, I think when this passes, it’ll be a healthy reminder of the progress I’ve made. I no longer live in that state, thank god. I think I had a reaction to chlorella or spiralina, probably due to the detoxification of copper as Maxout was saying. Gonna ride this out, and bin them both for now. I’m not necessarily saying it’s a bad thing I feel this way, maybe I am in a cleansing mode. I had similar feelings during my water fast. This is why I like to implement things about 2/3 weeks at a time so I can rule out severe reactions instead of drinking out of a fire hose. Also, the supplements don’t seem to be an issue for others, not trying to scare anyone away from them but for me personally, they’re gonna be binned for now. Taking the next few days off from the gym to relax due to my fever, then I’ll be up and at em again.

[Bankai9000]

Ya I have that too. Whenever I do cold showers or swim in the cold sea my floaters get way worse. I try to pinpoint for a long time what affects the floaters especially and finally noticed last days that it seems that the moment I get more consistent sleep my floaters get less intrusive. They get almost unbearable when I'm sleepdeprived even when I don't feel sleepy or tired.
And I think with hiit or so it made me a bit anxious/"weaker" already pre pfs(when I now think about it, backthen I never noticed shite xd). I belive the right balance is key. I think stressing the system is crucial for health and recovery, but giving enough rest is just as important.