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    Giving It All For A Full Recovery

    Rinse & repeat. 2 month herbs 6 weeks Andro. Again and again..You got it dude.

    & if the next cycle doesn’t push you over the edge, guess what, do another one.

    You have to remember that all cycles do besides flood your body with DHT for the most part is just speed up healing time. Same reason why an athlete would use steroids or hgh
    to come back from an injury as quick as possible, we are using it to come back from PFS. The rate your body is building proteins and all that is through the roof in a cycle. what your body goes through in 3-4 months naturally recovering with herbs is probably all condensed in a 6 week cycle. Those are not accurate measurements but you get my point.

    ^i may not be right cause I haven’t tired it, anyone can correct me.

    There has to be a biological explanation as to why guys who have a blend of symptoms get rid of the mental & physical stuff first but the libido lags. If libido is in the brain, & mental stuff goes away, then why is libido (that’s in the brain ) still an issue. It’s puzzling to say the least. Why sexual stuff is always the slowest. Maybe some of the smart guys can chime in on this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Master Mal View Post
    So, unhappy to report the icariin didn't really do much for my downstairs bits.

    I'm gearing up for another Andro round. This time I'm gonna do 400mg R-Andro and along with 4-Andro. I hear that 200mg is the recommended daily dosage for the 4-Andro, but if anyone else has any recommendations please let me know.

    I'm not in a downswing anymore, but I'm definitely not in an upswing. I have sensitivity downstairs, but it's just... kinda there. It definitely beats being shriveled and cold, but it's still frustrating as hell. I definitely have the DHT itch going right now, but the usual uptick in libido isn't following. I know for a fact I can get full sensitivity back. I got it earlier this year for a full week and I was doing pretty well in that regard during my 1st and 3rd R-Andro cycles.

    I KNOW it can be done. I KNOW I can get things working down there. It's happened before. I just have no idea why it's not happening now. Hopefully the R-Andro/4-Andro cycle will give me that push that sends me over the edge.
    you gotta use it everyday for months to see the benefits. read area 1255's article on it. It works. my boners are more powerful now. once or twice a day 200mg each dose. It builds up and he says you can get permanent gainz.

    also makes cialis/viagara work better because it creates more of the enzyme to bind in the penis. I've actually had some of my hardest boners whilst in pfs past few months with cialis + icariin + ejaculation abstinance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickTheRuler View Post
    Rinse & repeat. 2 month herbs 6 weeks Andro. Again and again..You got it dude.

    & if the next cycle doesn’t push you over the edge, guess what, do another one.

    You have to remember that all cycles do besides flood your body with DHT for the most part is just speed up healing time. Same reason why an athlete would use steroids or hgh
    to come back from an injury as quick as possible, we are using it to come back from PFS. The rate your body is building proteins and all that is through the roof in a cycle. what your body goes through in 3-4 months naturally recovering with herbs is probably all condensed in a 6 week cycle. Those are not accurate measurements but you get my point.

    ^i may not be right cause I haven’t tired it, anyone can correct me.

    There has to be a biological explanation as to why guys who have a blend of symptoms get rid of the mental & physical stuff first but the libido lags. If libido is in the brain, & mental stuff goes away, then why is libido (that’s in the brain ) still an issue. It’s puzzling to say the least. Why sexual stuff is always the slowest. Maybe some of the smart guys can chime in on this.


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    the reason why libido is last thing to heal in pfs is simple evolutionary explanation. When in survival mode (which our brains think we are from lack of allpregnanalone which creates gaba puts us in a fight or flight state for prolonged periods. during this time the body deprioritizes reproduction in favour of survival. once gaba systems are restored and the body sees we are safe and in abundance and dht etc. starts working properly libido will come. the body fluctuates from upswings and downswings because it's adjusting things behind the scenes. kinda like when you get a cold you get a fever because the raising of body tempeture though unpleasant is trying to kill the virus/bacteria. the downswings are the body revving up to up upswing. I notice for me every downswing I upswing better. So that's what I think is going on.

    regarding 4 andro I personally wouldn't do it again. I felt so good on cycle but I was suppressed for 3 weeks after. I wouldn't risk shut down again because not everyone is lucky to bounce back. Most people I know who did use it though bounced back. Manik, Maxout, Myself and if you got the potent herbs like tongkat ali and pine pollen you should bounce back but feeling like ass for 3 weeks is not fun.

    R andro pure no suppression for me and in fact I get a nice bounce back and boost in baserline when I do it by itself. if anyone can tell. i'm in an upswing right now.
    From rock bottom to rockstar, baby.

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    Giving It All For A Full Recovery

    Quote Originally Posted by jacknap View Post
    you gotta use it everyday for months to see the benefits. read area 1255's article on it. It works. my boners are more powerful now. once or twice a day 200mg each dose. It builds up and he says you can get permanent gainz.

    also makes cialis/viagara work better because it creates more of the enzyme to bind in the penis. I've actually had some of my hardest boners whilst in pfs past few months with cialis + icariin + ejaculation abstinance.
    Will start with Icariin now then if that’s the case.

    & jack the website is inhousepharmacy.vu


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    Quote Originally Posted by RickTheRuler View Post
    Will start with Icariin now then if that’s the case.

    & jack the website is inhousepharmacy.vu


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    yeah they don't ship to canada. we got tough customs. my buddy sells me them for 10$ which is still a lot cheaper than retail but still.
    From rock bottom to rockstar, baby.

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    Thanks for the insight, Jacknap. I'll definitely take icariin daily, but the good stuff Max told me about is kind of expensive, so it'll have to be a less than 200mg a day. Unless, of course, you have another source you used that works for you and is cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master Mal View Post
    Thanks for the insight, Jacknap. I'll definitely take icariin daily, but the good stuff Max told me about is kind of expensive, so it'll have to be a less than 200mg a day. Unless, of course, you have another source you used that works for you and is cheaper.
    I use the liftmode. IMO you should jsut do the high dose for a month and that's a good enough gauge if it's working for you. If it's not you can bin it. If it's not working for you you don't need to invest for further than 1 month know what I mean? cuz if you just to 25-50mg you'll wonder, what if I used high dose everyday?
    From rock bottom to rockstar, baby.

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    I'm using liftmode as well. It's just very expensive.

    This is the stuff I'm using: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master Mal View Post
    I'm using liftmode as well. It's just very expensive.

    This is the stuff I'm using: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
    If you want more cost effective ways I think the best thing to do is buy the highest quality you can first to see if it has an effect then downgrade to a cheaper brand and see if it gives you an equal effect. That way you won't wonder 'maybe I just bought shitty stuff'. I got 90% one though. same brand and that 8% more probably isn't worth the double price of it lol.
    From rock bottom to rockstar, baby.

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    Alright guys, I think I figured out why I crashed.

    When I was couch surfing after my break up and had to use other people's shampoos. I just checked one house I stayed at and one of them had Saw Palmetto Extract in their shampoo. I aligned the dates and I'm pretty sure that's what caused it.

    Fuck, my system is damn sensitive even with all the progress I made.

    I'm pissed, because I was doing so well before. Obviously I'm gonna keep up with the protocol, but I'm worried I might have to do another juice cleanse. Right now the only things effected are downstairs and some general moodiness, so nothing as bad as before. It's ironic because I was thinking of using some sporadic Nizoral to deal with the DHT itch, but I guess that was a stupid idea right out of the gate.

    I'm gonna keep truckin' on, but this is God damn annoying.

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