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    Lightbulb PSSD: Introduction (suffering from Post-SSRI syndrome similar to PFS)

    Hey, glad to finally join this community ! I wanted to join a long time ago but I just couldn't register / wouldn't receive a confirmation link. I hope I'm still welcome even though I don't have PFS per se but its cousin, PSSD. I really believe both conditions have the same mechanisms since you some PSSD guys get better on TRT/PCT/Proviron and that type of stuff. The symptoms are also essentially the same if you're familiar with that condition. Here's a list of the symptoms I'm experiencing:

    - Anhedonia/Emotional numbness
    - Inability to feel drunk/relaxed
    - Pleasureless orgasms
    - Genital numbness
    - No libido
    - mild ED (fixed in the past by doing HIIT but it came back recently since I crashed off caffeine)
    - Depersonalization (comes and goes)
    - Brain fog
    - Inability to focus/concentrate
    - Inability to feel euphoric
    - Fatigue
    - Extreme anxiety (including social anxiety)
    - I never have any energy - I might as well be sleeping / basically bedridden

    My issues started in 2017, after I woke up from a LSD trip depersonalized. I noticed that my libido was totally gone. I wanted this to go away, so I trusted my GP. I was prescribed Effexor / 37.5mg and within 3 days, my sex life was pretty much over. I could not feel any pleasure from sex even if I wanted to... and this went on for many years until 2020. By that point I was kind of living a normal life, since I had no cognitive symptom. In october of 2020, I kinda got addicted to tobacco and what I did not realize was that tobacco contains MAOIs. You guessed it - I woke up with anhedonia and complete genital numbness (worse than just pleasureless orgasms). I would probably those were the first few weeks of my life.

    I ended up meeting an individual on Discord with PSSD that was really confident the CDSnuts protocol was the way out of this mess. After doing some research, I found out that it does indeed seem to help alot of PFS guys and some PSSD sufferers that have shared their stories on SwoleSource before. It took me a while to start doing this protocol, as the supplements are very hard to find IMO. Unfortunately, the very first supplement I ingested (Pine Pollen) made me worse temporarily (I don't know if this is normal?) and I kinda got spooked. There are also supplements in the protocol that us PSSD sufferers can't take (anything that messes with seretonin or whatever... so basically no ashwagandha, no MAOI... none of that stuff). I also kinda realized I don't actually know how this protocol works... like I don't know how the supp. rotation works exactly and such. My ''mentor'' is on this Forum but he hasn't been on Discord for a long time, so I didn't know how to proceed.

    I ended up not doing anything for a while, until recently. I crashed off caffeine (like I got worse... everytime I ingest caffeine it induces a 24h depersonalization episode and a worsening of PSSD). That was f*ing shitty, but now alcohol crashes me as well. I can't even feel drunk anymore. This is getting ridiculous and I really don't know what to try / what to do. I feel so lost. I have no idea what to do. I'm really desesperate.

    The only thing that has ever worked is Nofap. It takes 3 months, but eventually my brain allows me to feel everything again. I go back to this shitty PSSD baseline whenever I break the streak and orgasm. That's right - I can watch porn / spank the monkey but it's orgasms specifically that ruin everything. Do you guys happen to know what exactly happens during orgasms? Am I looking at an issue with my androgen/estrogen sensitivity? Is it about prolactin being released or something? It can't just be receptors, they fix themselves naturally. You'll usually see persistant issues like this in people that have hormonal imbalances / infections / auto-immune stuff or even microbiome dysbiosis.

    I'm joining this forum in hopes of finding a way out. Maybe I got spooked over something that's normal in the beginning and maybe I could modify the supp. list so it's PSSD-friendly. And hey, if pine pollen actually did something (even if its negative) then it means I was kinda messing with the right stuff, yeah?
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    Hey man.

    My friend HOPE has PSSD and has greatly benefited from the protocol in the last few months, and last time I spoke to him he said he was confident about recovering. He was scared just like you when we first met, and god knows I was too. We all are. Barbaar was PSSD and recovered, Jacknap was on RU and recovered. It's a holistic program meant to bring your body back to equilibrium over time.

    The most challenging part of this protocol is not doing it, it's simply being able to do it without overanalyzing it. You have to incorporate it to your life and try your best to live as though nothing happened. Easier said than done, this is my biggest challenge. But it does work. When I joined in February I had a lot of shit (anhedonia, depersonalisation, depression, soft muscles, anxiety, suicidal thoughts, tinnitus, and all the sexual ones to a big degree). I made the protocol my number 1 focus and in September I was doing great. I had no mental problems, slight tinnitus, and like 2 sexual symptoms. It was night and day. I recrashed in September from taking a B vitamin with folic acid because I was genetically predisposed to be sensitive to that, but if I hadn't, I would be doing amazing man. I hopped back on the protocol and I'm back to slowly getting better. This thing works. And moral of my story, don't add any supplements to the protocol, just do it as intended.

    Drop the alcohol/drugs, you'll indulge when you're recovered but right now forget it. And ejaculation also has an effect on me. In upswings, I feel more tired, and in downswings, I feel downright anhedonic and suicidal. I made my best progress this summer when I held it in for about 3 months. And the herb rotations works by slowly nudging your body's hormone levels in a natural way, and you cycle the herbs to avoid building a tolerance to them.

    This thing is not easy though. Most guys recover in 6 months to 2 years, and you have to be dedicated to it daily. You have to get yourself in a mental space to motivate you. This is the battle of your life, and you don't go to war with a lazy mindset. Give this PFS no choice but to surrender by being relentless with your dedication to the program.

    Finally, the most important thing is managing your anxiety. Look up Damn's thread titled ''PFS = Phuqued from stress'' or something. Breathing exercises and meditation are super important, do them morning and night. I was in a rough spot after that B vitamin and was super stressed out. My recovery was going nowhere until I seriously implemented those. If your body is stressed, it doesn't think about healing itself.

    Let us know if you have any more questions, you got this. First step is a waterfast (7 days) or a juice feast (2 weeks).

    Read all that site top to bottom, everything is there:
    https://www.totalmaleoptimization.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw View Post
    Hey man.

    My friend HOPE has PSSD and has greatly benefited from the protocol in the last few months, and last time I spoke to him he said he was confident about recovering. He was scared just like you when we first met, and god knows I was too. We all are. Barbaar was PSSD and recovered, Jacknap was on RU and recovered. It's a holistic program meant to bring your body back to equilibrium over time.

    The most challenging part of this protocol is not doing it, it's simply being able to do it without overanalyzing it. You have to incorporate it to your life and try your best to live as though nothing happened. Easier said than done, this is my biggest challenge. But it does work. When I joined in February I had a lot of shit (anhedonia, depersonalisation, depression, soft muscles, anxiety, suicidal thoughts, tinnitus, and all the sexual ones to a big degree). I made the protocol my number 1 focus and in September I was doing great. I had no mental problems, slight tinnitus, and like 2 sexual symptoms. It was night and day. I recrashed in September from taking a B vitamin with folic acid because I was genetically predisposed to be sensitive to that, but if I hadn't, I would be doing amazing man. I hopped back on the protocol and I'm back to slowly getting better. This thing works. And moral of my story, don't add any supplements to the protocol, just do it as intended.

    Drop the alcohol/drugs, you'll indulge when you're recovered but right now forget it. And ejaculation also has an effect on me. In upswings, I feel more tired, and in downswings, I feel downright anhedonic and suicidal. I made my best progress this summer when I held it in for about 3 months. And the herb rotations works by slowly nudging your body's hormone levels in a natural way, and you cycle the herbs to avoid building a tolerance to them.

    This thing is not easy though. Most guys recover in 6 months to 2 years, and you have to be dedicated to it daily. You have to get yourself in a mental space to motivate you. This is the battle of your life, and you don't go to war with a lazy mindset. Give this PFS no choice but to surrender by being relentless with your dedication to the program.

    Finally, the most important thing is managing your anxiety. Look up Damn's thread titled ''PFS = Phuqued from stress'' or something. Breathing exercises and meditation are super important, do them morning and night. I was in a rough spot after that B vitamin and was super stressed out. My recovery was going nowhere until I seriously implemented those. If your body is stressed, it doesn't think about healing itself.

    Let us know if you have any more questions, you got this. First step is a waterfast (7 days) or a juice feast (2 weeks).

    Read all that site top to bottom, everything is there:
    https://www.totalmaleoptimization.com/
    Barbaar recovered?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turnover25 View Post
    Barbaar recovered?
    Oh that's my bad, Hope told me he was "doing good" and made progress from it, thats what I meant to write.
    I would edit my post but I'm on my phone and it deletes posts when I try to edit them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw View Post
    Hey man.

    My friend HOPE has PSSD and has greatly benefited from the protocol in the last few months, and last time I spoke to him he said he was confident about recovering. He was scared just like you when we first met, and god knows I was too. We all are. Barbaar was PSSD and recovered, Jacknap was on RU and recovered. It's a holistic program meant to bring your body back to equilibrium over time.

    The most challenging part of this protocol is not doing it, it's simply being able to do it without overanalyzing it. You have to incorporate it to your life and try your best to live as though nothing happened. Easier said than done, this is my biggest challenge. But it does work. When I joined in February I had a lot of shit (anhedonia, depersonalisation, depression, soft muscles, anxiety, suicidal thoughts, tinnitus, and all the sexual ones to a big degree). I made the protocol my number 1 focus and in September I was doing great. I had no mental problems, slight tinnitus, and like 2 sexual symptoms. It was night and day. I recrashed in September from taking a B vitamin with folic acid because I was genetically predisposed to be sensitive to that, but if I hadn't, I would be doing amazing man. I hopped back on the protocol and I'm back to slowly getting better. This thing works. And moral of my story, don't add any supplements to the protocol, just do it as intended.

    Drop the alcohol/drugs, you'll indulge when you're recovered but right now forget it. And ejaculation also has an effect on me. In upswings, I feel more tired, and in downswings, I feel downright anhedonic and suicidal. I made my best progress this summer when I held it in for about 3 months. And the herb rotations works by slowly nudging your body's hormone levels in a natural way, and you cycle the herbs to avoid building a tolerance to them.

    This thing is not easy though. Most guys recover in 6 months to 2 years, and you have to be dedicated to it daily. You have to get yourself in a mental space to motivate you. This is the battle of your life, and you don't go to war with a lazy mindset. Give this PFS no choice but to surrender by being relentless with your dedication to the program.

    Finally, the most important thing is managing your anxiety. Look up Damn's thread titled ''PFS = Phuqued from stress'' or something. Breathing exercises and meditation are super important, do them morning and night. I was in a rough spot after that B vitamin and was super stressed out. My recovery was going nowhere until I seriously implemented those. If your body is stressed, it doesn't think about healing itself.

    Let us know if you have any more questions, you got this. First step is a waterfast (7 days) or a juice feast (2 weeks).

    Read all that site top to bottom, everything is there:
    https://www.totalmaleoptimization.com/
    Thank you for your reply. It ''feels good'' to actually talk to people who can relate & who are working on their recoveries. A lot of doom-and-gloom on Reddit/PSSDforum. HOPE is the person I was talking about, I'm glad he's better. Is he still around? I tried texting him and I never got a reply.

    And yeah I mean I think what is ''cockblocking'' me is what happened with Pine Pollen. Is it normal to get worse better you get better? Shit's scary AF because when you mess up there is no way back. Back to zero... or minus 100. Also, how does the rotation work exactly? Is it only one supp. / day and 7 different supp. / week?

    Also yeah, when it comes to alcohol/drugs I can't really do them they all mess me up so bad for some reason. Last time I had alcohol I drank a small bottle of 40% Vodka and felt nothing. I understood that I was ''drunk'' but the effects were blunted. Not even woozy. Weird how I seem to get worse out of nowhere too, Caffeine and Alcohol were ''harmless'' just a month ago. I've been dealing with PSSD for 5 fucking years and now I can't even use anything on top of everything else. Fuck yeah life's a movie baby!

    I really don't know what to do anymore. No one will help me. There is no known treatment for PSSD. Might as well give this a shot. I'm just hella confused with the whole thing with Pine Pollen. I thought the supps. were supposed to fix things not make me feel more anhedonic?

    Btw, I wish you the best on your recovery. You did it once you'll get there again, trust me. Our brains are wired a certain way and what works will keep working & what crashes you will keep crashing you. Fuck that bitch Vitamin B, show it who's boss!

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    Thanks man, we'll get there, it's just a matter of being dedicated, patient and stressfree.

    During recovery, it's 100% normal to get worse before getting better. For supplements not so much, try it a few times and if it doesnt sit well with you, bin it. Could just be coincidental witb a downswing. It's not required to recover. Some people are also allergic to it.

    And no supplement will ever set you back permanently. There's always a way back, might just take some time.

    1 herb per day, twice a day. Minimum 7 herbs in your rotation. Just read the site, it's all there really. Your first step should be a proper 7 day fast, not pine pollen.

    And you have to stop thinking you will never recover. And that no one will help you. The protocol will help you, you have to help yourself and apply it like a soldier. It took me 9 months to realize it, but our mental state plays a huge part. Everynight I meditate and I write in a notebook 3 things Im grateful for. And when I wake up, I meditate, I open my window, I tell myself how far I came, and how I'm gonna wreck this day. Might sound weird but it helps me stay focused. You can't do this protocol at 50%, you'd be wasting your time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw View Post
    Thanks man, we'll get there, it's just a matter of being dedicated, patient and stressfree.

    During recovery, it's 100% normal to get worse before getting better. For supplements not so much, try it a few times and if it doesnt sit well with you, bin it. Could just be coincidental witb a downswing. It's not required to recover. Some people are also allergic to it.

    And no supplement will ever set you back permanently. There's always a way back, might just take some time.

    1 herb per day, twice a day. Minimum 7 herbs in your rotation. Just read the site, it's all there really. Your first step should be a proper 7 day fast, not pine pollen.

    And you have to stop thinking you will never recover. And that no one will help you. The protocol will help you, you have to help yourself and apply it like a soldier. It took me 9 months to realize it, but our mental state plays a huge part. Everynight I meditate and I write in a notebook 3 things Im grateful for. And when I wake up, I meditate, I open my window, I tell myself how far I came, and how I'm gonna wreck this day. Might sound weird but it helps me stay focused. You can't do this protocol at 50%, you'd be wasting your time
    I fully believe this protocol fix things. When you say ''It's not required to recover'', do you mean the supplements aren't a requirement but the other stuff (fasting, exercise, cold exposure, paleo etc.) are? Or were you talking about Pine Pollen specifically?

    Also, I hope the root cause can be fixed. I don't really wanna be avoiding caffeine (which crashes me) and alcohol or any substance that slightly boosts seretonin for the rest of my life. Regardless, I'll get on with the fast and the protocol and hopefully I'm better soon.

    Fuck PSSD/PFS/PAS & others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PSSD View Post
    I fully believe this protocol fix things. When you say ''It's not required to recover'', do you mean the supplements aren't a requirement but the other stuff (fasting, exercise, cold exposure, paleo etc.) are? Or were you talking about Pine Pollen specifically?

    Also, I hope the root cause can be fixed. I don't really wanna be avoiding caffeine (which crashes me) and alcohol or any substance that slightly boosts seretonin for the rest of my life. Regardless, I'll get on with the fast and the protocol and hopefully I'm better soon.

    Fuck PSSD/PFS/PAS & others.
    Just the Pine Pollen.

    And to be honest, you might be better soon, but it might take some time too. I would advise to see it as a longterm journey to avoid getting discouraged, and anything sooner would be a bonus.

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