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    Quote Originally Posted by whoevencares00 View Post
    I know I’m spamming this thread a lot, but whatever...

    Sleep was pretty bad last night, went to bed at 10pm after a freezing cold shower. Woke up at 3am and only had light and restless sleep until my alarm at 6.

    Also today I had some coffee again with my herbs and reacted really well to it. No brain fog like last time, just increased energy.

    Also having raging libido and hard ons everytime I’m talking to a girl im seeing or just seeing an attractive girl in general. Feeling very confident as well... I'll be honest, I've never been really confident around women, but I've had a few gfs... but I feel super calm and confident now... Not sure if it's the protocol effecting me so soon, or if this is the "rush of DHT" that some experience after quitting finasteride. Either way, feels great. What a rollercoaster this journey is but hey I’ll take it.

    Gonna see how this journey progresses and update again in a week or two.


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    You're not spamming it. It's your thread to do with as you like.

    Get used to the up and down, because that's the name of the game my friend. Just stick to the program and stay the course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cdsnuts View Post
    You're not spamming it. It's your thread to do with as you like.

    Get used to the up and down, because that's the name of the game my friend. Just stick to the program and stay the course.

    Will do.

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    I'm hitting the gym six days a week and seem to be putting on muscle again, which is great. However since crashing my forearms, hands and wrists have suffered pretty bad muscle wastage. Also my grip strength has gotten really weak which sucks. Does anyone have tips how to deal with this? I've been doing exercises for my forearms and wrists, is this enough? Or is there more I can do?

    Also, how do you fellas deal with downswings? When I'm seemingly in an upswing, I'm really optimistic about recovery and look at this as a self development journey rather than a recovery from pfs. But when I feel shitty, I start thinking about all the stuff I read on propecia help in the first weeks of my crash, like finasteride causing an epigenetic change or whatever the fuck. Stuff like that freaks the hell out of me and makes me think i won't recover.

    Also I feel like pfs has changed my personality. I feel like a different person, not sure if its in a good or a bad way. A bit of both, I guess. I'm way more calm now, and really don't care about what other people think about me. I'm a lot more confident around women, and new people in general. I take no shit from anyone. Before pfs I had social anxiety. All of this I feel is good. But on the bad side, a lot of things that used to interest me don't interest me at all anymore, like playing video games and spending time with some of my friends. It sucks because they've been my friends for years but i just don't feel like hanging with them because i feel like a different person.


    I've already made the protocol my way of life, so I'm sticking to it regardless of how I feel... but still would like to hear other peoples opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whoevencares00 View Post
    I'm hitting the gym six days a week and seem to be putting on muscle again, which is great. However since crashing my forearms, hands and wrists have suffered pretty bad muscle wastage. Also my grip strength has gotten really weak which sucks. Does anyone have tips how to deal with this? I've been doing exercises for my forearms and wrists, is this enough? Or is there more I can do?

    Also, how do you fellas deal with downswings? When I'm seemingly in an upswing, I'm really optimistic about recovery and look at this as a self development journey rather than a recovery from pfs. But when I feel shitty, I start thinking about all the stuff I read on propecia help in the first weeks of my crash, like finasteride causing an epigenetic change or whatever the fuck. Stuff like that freaks the hell out of me and makes me think i won't recover.

    Also I feel like pfs has changed my personality. I feel like a different person, not sure if its in a good or a bad way. A bit of both, I guess. I'm way more calm now, and really don't care about what other people think about me. I'm a lot more confident around women, and new people in general. I take no shit from anyone. Before pfs I had social anxiety. All of this I feel is good. But on the bad side, a lot of things that used to interest me don't interest me at all anymore, like playing video games and spending time with some of my friends. It sucks because they've been my friends for years but i just don't feel like hanging with them because i feel like a different person.


    I've already made the protocol my way of life, so I'm sticking to it regardless of how I feel... but still would like to hear other peoples opinion.
    It's absurd to listen to random theories from emotional people. People talking about epigenetic changes, autoimmune disease, blah blah blah..... half of them still have no problem using steroids, AIs, abortion pills though. There were a few people whose stories I followed because they made youtube videos. Well, they both bitched and moaned for a couple years, saying how hopeless it all was, etc etc... but both ended up recovering. Neither of them came back on to add any positivity though....THAT'S why PH is so toxic and deserves no attention.

    5-htp helps with occasional depression too
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    New finasteride victim, advice needed

    Quote Originally Posted by basementdweller View Post
    It's absurd to listen to random theories from emotional people. People talking about epigenetic changes, autoimmune disease, blah blah blah..... half of them still have no problem using steroids, AIs, abortion pills though. There were a few people whose stories I followed because they made youtube videos. Well, they both bitched and moaned for a couple years, saying how hopeless it all was, etc etc... but both ended up recovering. Neither of them came back on to add any positivity though....THAT'S why PH is so toxic and deserves no attention.

    5-htp helps with occasional depression too
    Thanks man, I might give the 5-htp a go. Thankfully I don’t get the horrible pfs depression that I used to, but I do feel pretty hopeless on downswings.... just gotta ride it out lol


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    New finasteride victim, advice needed

    Ran out of pine pollen powder already, and can’t get any more for a few weeks at least. Sucks because i feel like it was a major contributor to the return of my libido. It was like I was going through a second puberty, lol.

    Since stopping the powder my libido has gone back down quite a bit. Not sure if its the powder or just a downswing, or both.


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    Quote Originally Posted by whoevencares00 View Post
    Thanks man, I might give the 5-htp a go. Thankfully I don’t get the horrible pfs depression that I used to, but I do feel pretty hopeless on downswings.... just gotta ride it out lol


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    5-htp lower libido. wouldn't touch it in pfs personally. It raises seratonin like anti-depressants do (SSRI ones) and serotonin lowers libido.
    From rock bottom to rockstar, baby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacknap View Post
    5-htp lower libido. wouldn't touch it in pfs personally. It raises seratonin like anti-depressants do (SSRI ones) and serotonin lowers libido.
    dang that sucks, I actually had some left over as i sometimes took it before pfs

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    Quote Originally Posted by whoevencares00 View Post
    dang that sucks, I actually had some left over as i sometimes took it before pfs
    OCCASIONAL use. The beauty about 5-htp is it works right away and it doesn't last long. If your libido is already shit when you take it then who really cares anyway. That being said, it hasn't caused any problems for me personally....... Your choice though
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    Quote Originally Posted by basementdweller View Post
    OCCASIONAL use. The beauty about 5-htp is it works right away and it doesn't last long. If your libido is already shit when you take it then who really cares anyway. That being said, it hasn't caused any problems for me personally....... Your choice though
    never tried it personally but i used st johns wort in 2015 before i crashed and it dampened my libido big time.

    I had a really high libido but it was easily lowered with too much porn, alcohol, kratom, or anything that boosts serotonin. my body is just sensitive i guess
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