Effects of tren on the heart vs. other steroids?

[burlyman30]

Be sure to read post #5 and #6 this was a list i started a long time ago and never got to finish:
Middle Aged Dead Bodybuilders

I think from memory from the last time i updated the list it contained 108 different steroid using subjects, eg bodybuilders, wrestlers, powerlifters, strongman etc all died of heart related conditions and the average age was 38.

Also to note i think i removed normal causes of death from the list that could be ruled out as not associated to steroid use.

This list has had a lot of attention and skepticism from those who defend steroid use however it remains to be said that many many of these people were "healthy looking" from the outside eg visible abs etc ate correctly to achieve the body image they showed yet all had heart problems at very young ages.

The point being i dont think we can gather a list of 108 subjects from say "soccer" or "tennis" that all died of heart problems with the average age being only 38.....

While I cannot dispute the heart related deaths in steroid users, I do have to wonder what other factors come in to play here. Dosage levels, diet, and genetic heart issues are ones that come to mind.

And while I can't argue for steroids when it comes to heart health, I could probably make a list of highschool kids who have died on the basketball court or the running track or football field that would likely outnumber your list.

[O.N.]

While I cannot dispute the heart related deaths in steroid users, I do have to wonder what other factors come in to play here. Dosage levels, diet, and genetic heart issues are ones that come to mind.

And while I can't argue for steroids when it comes to heart health, I could probably make a list of highschool kids who have died on the basketball court or the running track or football field that would likely outnumber your list.

Yes we do not know what other drugs if any were used at the time or what dose of steroids were used but the main point is the large scale and the average age. As I said previously, I dont think we can gather a list of 108 subjects from say "soccer" or "tennis" that all died of heart problems with the average age being only 38.....

Remember the list i ruled out other causes and removed those from the list such as car accident, cancer etc.

The last part i will say about this list is we all are very aware that steroids drastically effect cholesterol, LDL and HDL levels. Which has been known for a long time to play a role in heart disease.

I'll end that there for no further comment from me, you may defend steroid use all you like and yes there is no study which proves these people died from steroids but the autopsies do indicate heart disease in what appears to be very very healthy people who eat correctly and exercise most of their lives with a common denominator that they all do the right things health wise other than take steroids.

Do steroids give you heart disease? No but they do really mess up your cholesterol values......we all know what that leads to