I know the tren is making my muscles hard and full, but I can def feel a difference from 6 pills ED to 8 pills ED. When I ran out of AHV1 early in the tren run, i noticed a difference when I started epiandro at 6 caps. So at this point at 8 ed, I can def say that the effects of the AHV1 at 500mg caps is comparable to the 8 caps of epiandro.