1st cycle, help with proper PCT

[Jelisej]

Not trying to derail this thread, but you guys that are on TRT.....did you try everything possible to naturally get the juices flowing again before doing replacement? Or was it just so miserable of an existence that taking months do get yourself going again naturally just wasn't an option?

I'm not on TRT, tough I may join club at some point. Anyway- your question: "did you try everything possible to naturally get the juices flowing again before doing replacement?

Well, honestly there are not many possibilites there, really... Things like "SERM restart or clomid restart" work only for people who have "glitch" in a system, for people with congenital hypogonadism or with testicular trauma or damage or brain injury or infection that affects hypotalamus or pituary, it does not really work. Of all pre-TRT folks, restarts would work for minority of people.
Raising testosterone natural is usually expensive and it can only raise t levels for maybe 200 points, maybe bit more- so its ok if your natural levels are 600 ng/dl, if they are 300-400 even with raise using test boosters one will still be in "grey zone"
and most of this methods dont raise free test, apart of DAA which potentially can cause death of brain cells- and free test is what makes us happy
so unfortunately for majority TRT/HRT is best option. Another option is to improve financial status to as many homeopaths and research companies as possible. Thats good for economy, but usually not for patient.

Lastly- there are quite few folks out there who had tt levels of around 800 ng/dl, but with high SHBG levels they did not have much of it, as altough tt has its own receptors- it cannot cross blood-brain-barrier, and if it cant than it cant makes as happy.
Many of these guys were quite miserable (despite high tt), took testosterone injection and next day wake up as completely different person.