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    Thanks for the feedback, Maxout and CD.

    I understand it is a must! I've already discussed tapering off the AD with my psychiatrist, which I'll have to do before doing the cleanse anyway.

    Not a big fan anymore of the whole "let's throw a pill at it" philosophy of modern medicine...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahn View Post
    Thanks for the feedback, Maxout and CD.

    I understand it is a must! I've already discussed tapering off the AD with my psychiatrist, which I'll have to do before doing the cleanse anyway.

    Not a big fan anymore of the whole "let's throw a pill at it" philosophy of modern medicine...
    Good you shouldn't be. It's what got us all here, for starters. That should be enough for anyone, but then when you factor in that the side effects of the drugs and their presence in the system always weakens the body and causes problems in other areas so that you then have to take more pills to combat the side effects of the original pills, etc, etc. It's a wormhole most of the time and the pills never actually cure anything but simply manage symptoms.

    People aren't machines and cannot be treated as such. A holistic approach to healing where you bring the whole system into balance always works best, regardless of what health issue you're dealing with.
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    Some updates on my recovery:

    1. I convinced my psychiatrist to taper off the Wellbutrin. I'll be clear in a couple of weeks, after which I plan to do my juice feast for at least 7 days and take this to the next level. Can't wait! I want to go all in.

    2. I'm having good upswings, followed by harsh downswings. Last weekend was particularly good, my penile tissue actually improved, libido spiked and for a while I almost felt like myself again. Haven't felt like that in a loooong time. Gone again since yesterday, though. Dick's like a dead deflated balloon again. Crazy how this shit goes back and forth, but it's better than seeing absolutely no change for months. Part of the process of course -- the downswings remain extremely difficult mentally, but I'm learning to deal with it.

    3. My bathmate arrived and I kinda enjoy the feeling haha. I'm doing it slowly and carefully, though, to get accustomed. Don't want to overpump.

    4. I've had days with good morning wood, but not consistently. Good sign, though.

    5. Currently on my 2nd herb cycle. Rotating 20 herbs atm. Not trying to gauge my response to each herb too much. I'm just taking them and trusting the process.

    6. Still taking low dose Cialis for reliable erections, however. One thing I noticed is that my symptoms sort of improve (fuller flaccid penis, better sensitivity...) after sex for some reason.


    Cheers guys, and keep fighting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahn View Post
    Some updates on my recovery:

    1. I convinced my psychiatrist to taper off the Wellbutrin. I'll be clear in a couple of weeks, after which I plan to do my juice feast for at least 7 days and take this to the next level. Can't wait! I want to go all in.

    2. I'm having good upswings, followed by harsh downswings. Last weekend was particularly good, my penile tissue actually improved, libido spiked and for a while I almost felt like myself again. Haven't felt like that in a loooong time. Gone again since yesterday, though. Dick's like a dead deflated balloon again. Crazy how this shit goes back and forth, but it's better than seeing absolutely no change for months. Part of the process of course -- the downswings remain extremely difficult mentally, but I'm learning to deal with it.

    3. My bathmate arrived and I kinda enjoy the feeling haha. I'm doing it slowly and carefully, though, to get accustomed. Don't want to overpump.

    4. I've had days with good morning wood, but not consistently. Good sign, though.

    5. Currently on my 2nd herb cycle. Rotating 20 herbs atm. Not trying to gauge my response to each herb too much. I'm just taking them and trusting the process.

    6. Still taking low dose Cialis for reliable erections, however. One thing I noticed is that my symptoms sort of improve (fuller flaccid penis, better sensitivity...) after sex for some reason.


    Cheers guys, and keep fighting!
    I can say that if you're having good feelings so early before even starting, you may have a relatively quick recovery. Dont' take that as gospel, just an educated guess.

    Sounds like you're off to a great start. Please keep us posted.
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    Hi everyone.

    Have't got too much to update on. Going up, going down, you know the drill. The fact I am seeing fluctuations is very encouraging, but I've still got a loooong way to go.

    I've successfully tapered off the Wellbutrin since last weekend! I can now finally start my juice feast next week and commit 100% to the protocol. Having some trouble with the nofap, meditation and breathing exercises. Sunning has been a little inconsistent too. Time to really lock it in.

    Still using the bathmate but I think I almost overdid it once, so I dialed it back. @Cdsnuts: maybe this needs some clarification on the TMO website? I was under the impression I had to pump until (and a bit beyond) completely erect, but if I recall correctly I saw you mentioning in another topic that we should pump until 'full', not erect. Maybe I misread/misunderstood? In any case, I won't be pumping too hard for now, just to be on the safe side.

    I also visited a professor in endocrinology this month (had been planned months in advance) who actually knew about PFS. Het basically tested my blood levels again and did a (second) full imaging test of the genitalia. For those of you who might still be concerned it is some kind of Peyronie's: it's not. My little guy curves, thins and is full of bulging veins, but no structural damage of any kind could be found. It does look scary, but I've had some improvements. I'm assuming this is one of those symptoms that will take the longest to resolve?

    He didn't want to deny my symptoms, but he believed it very unlikely to be the result of saw palmetto and more the result of some kind of 'autonomic dysregulation', given my history of anxiety and depression, which could all very well lead to symptoms such as numbness. Couldn't help me further of course, as expected, but it doesn't really matter. Still doing the protocol!

    I did notice that seeing some improvement, trusting the protocol and trying to stay off the forums (even this one) and busy yourself with... you know, life... has been a tremendous help for my mental health.

    Will update after the feast and in the coming months.

    Cheers guys and keep fighting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahn View Post
    Hi everyone.

    Have't got too much to update on. Going up, going down, you know the drill. The fact I am seeing fluctuations is very encouraging, but I've still got a loooong way to go.

    I've successfully tapered off the Wellbutrin since last weekend! I can now finally start my juice feast next week and commit 100% to the protocol. Having some trouble with the nofap, meditation and breathing exercises. Sunning has been a little inconsistent too. Time to really lock it in.

    Still using the bathmate but I think I almost overdid it once, so I dialed it back. @Cdsnuts: maybe this needs some clarification on the TMO website? I was under the impression I had to pump until (and a bit beyond) completely erect, but if I recall correctly I saw you mentioning in another topic that we should pump until 'full', not erect. Maybe I misread/misunderstood? In any case, I won't be pumping too hard for now, just to be on the safe side.

    I also visited a professor in endocrinology this month (had been planned months in advance) who actually knew about PFS. Het basically tested my blood levels again and did a (second) full imaging test of the genitalia. For those of you who might still be concerned it is some kind of Peyronie's: it's not. My little guy curves, thins and is full of bulging veins, but no structural damage of any kind could be found. It does look scary, but I've had some improvements. I'm assuming this is one of those symptoms that will take the longest to resolve?

    He didn't want to deny my symptoms, but he believed it very unlikely to be the result of saw palmetto and more the result of some kind of 'autonomic dysregulation', given my history of anxiety and depression, which could all very well lead to symptoms such as numbness. Couldn't help me further of course, as expected, but it doesn't really matter. Still doing the protocol!

    I did notice that seeing some improvement, trusting the protocol and trying to stay off the forums (even this one) and busy yourself with... you know, life... has been a tremendous help for my mental health.

    Will update after the feast and in the coming months.

    Cheers guys and keep fighting!
    So it's a bit difficult to explain properly. You want to let the bathmate make you erect.....not your brain. You want to let your dick fill up with blood because of the vacuum created by the bathmate. So, technically, you will be erect, but not erect in the sense that you're used to being. If you put yourself in the bathmate while erect, you will not be able to let the bathmate do it's job properly because you'll be hard and it will be more difficult to let the bathmate "fill you up" properly, if that makes sense.

    Do you understand what I'm trying to convey?

    You could put yourself in with a chubby and then calm yourself, breath, and then start pumping. The point is, you want to let the bathmate do all the work.....not your head.

    So, you DO pump with the bathmate until it makes you erect, but make sure it's a "mechanical" hard on, and not one that you made happen with your mind. You'll get more into your unit this way as opposed to a "natural" hard on.
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    Thanks for the feedback, CD, I think I've got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahn View Post
    Thanks for the feedback, CD, I think I've got it.
    Once you get it once or twice, it becomes very easy. You just have play around with it a bit.
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    Cheers all,

    I've come off all medications and I'm on day 1 of the juice feast. Exciting! Planning on going for at least a week.
    @Cdsnuts:
    1. You mentioned before we can't take anything else during the feast. I've read @Maxout777 saying that him doing the herb rotation during the feast did him just fine. I've been rotating the herbs for around 2 months now (21 day cycle...), would you still recommend pausing it as per the protocol, or is there any benefit in continuing the herb cycle during the feast considering I've been on cycle for quite some time now? I don't mind either way, I was just curious.
    2. This is probably a silly question, but is fresh soup is OK to take in addition to the 6 quarts of cold juice? I understand that the cooking part kills off live enzymes and vitamins, but I suppose it can't hurt as an extra?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahn View Post
    Cheers all,

    I've come off all medications and I'm on day 1 of the juice feast. Exciting! Planning on going for at least a week.
    @Cdsnuts:
    1. You mentioned before we can't take anything else during the feast. I've read @Maxout777 saying that him doing the herb rotation during the feast did him just fine. I've been rotating the herbs for around 2 months now (21 day cycle...), would you still recommend pausing it as per the protocol, or is there any benefit in continuing the herb cycle during the feast considering I've been on cycle for quite some time now? I don't mind either way, I was just curious.
    2. This is probably a silly question, but is fresh soup is OK to take in addition to the 6 quarts of cold juice? I understand that the cooking part kills off live enzymes and vitamins, but I suppose it can't hurt as an extra?

    Thanks!
    I had no issues running the herbs, as you mentioned. I think it's probably a case-by-case basis here. In my opinion these days, any time you're fasting (water, juice, bone broth, dry) - I think the less supplements and compounds in the body the better.

    Also, not CD - but I wouldn't add anything besides juice. I would pick a water, juice, or broth fast and stick to only that for a week (preferably two).
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